On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 12:09:52 +0100, brightside S9 <address@replyto_is_not.invalid> wrote: > > >Many thanks to all who replied.On Mon, 27 May 2013 21:09:45 +0100, >brightside S9 <address@replyto_is_not.invalid> wrote: > >>I (and a couple of distant relations) have struggled for many years >>trying to find the death of a Dinah Wool(l)ey. Born Dinah Lenton in >>1831. >> >>She married Matthew Lemon Woolley at Gretton parish Northamptonshire >>on 31/10/1853 and had several children. >>Freereg will find that marriage with >>name - Matthew Lemon WOOLLEY (note the double L) >>parish - Gretton >>county - Northamptonshire. >>and GRO DEC 1853 LENTON Dinah Uppingham 7a 575 >> >>She can be found in 1861 census. >> >>Her last born child (AFAICT) can be found in Freebmd >>GRO JUN 1863 WOOLLEY Phoebe Lenton Uppingham 7a 279 >>(note the spelling of Phoebe and the double L). >>So 2nd qtr 1863 is the last indication that Dinah *is* still alive. >> >>The baptism of this last child, on 8/12/1868, can be found Freereg. >>name - Phebe WOOLEY (note the spelling of Phebe and the single L). >>parish - Gretton >>county - Northamptonshire >> >>This baptism records the parents as Dinah and Matthew. There is no >>note to say that Dinah is deceased ( I have the microfiche for >>Gretton parish BMDs and there is no margin note). So DEC 1868 is the >>last indication that Dinah *may* still be alive. >> >>The next piece of information I have is that Matthew Lemon Woo(l)ley >>remarries in 1870 to a Caroline INGRAM. >>GRO SEP 1870 INGRAM Caroline Uppingham 7a 451 >>and the marriage can be found in Freereg >>name - Matthew Lemon WOOLEY (note the single L) >>parish - Gretton >>county - Northamptonshire >>Here the grooms condition is *Widower*. >> >>So this tells me that Dinah is no *longer* alive. >> Unless the knowledge of her death was based on false/incorrect information given to her husband. The seven-year wait before making a presumption of death applies to when a person has not been known to be alive for seven years, implicitly in the absence of further information about their whereabouts or wellbeing; if he was told e.g. that she had died in another place then IMU at that time that was sufficient for him to act as if he had been widowed without having to seek official confirmation. >>The mariages and births are all in a small village of Gretton and that >>seems to me to rule out anything suspicious. However I cannot find >>any information about Dinah Wool(l)ey's death or a burial. >> >>Can anyone find out when Dinah WOOL(L)ey died? Any clues would be >>welcome. Thanks. > > >Thanks to all who replied. But still no death found. > >Using Ancestry for England Ireland and Wales, there is no record of >death. A reply to this post has said that there is no record in >Scotland. > >So she could have died abroad. But as a wife of an Ag Lab I find this >improbable. That leaves me with the possibility that her death is >missing from the GRO index but was recorded locally. Probably at >Uppingham. As the GRO index pages are handwritten around the 1865 to >1870 time it appears to me that a misssing entrty in the GRO index is >all too possible. > Mistranscription (either from local to GRO or from GRO to Ancestry) is IME more likely. The latter can be bypassed by looking at images of the original pages (FreeBMD and Ancestry images won't necessarily both be from the same filming session). In fewer cases you might even get mis-indexing of the local register if e.g. the original writing is a bit doubtful (e.g. Ms and Ws hard to distinguish). >She is not buried in Gretton St James cemetary but that is not >uncommon for many of the residents (from census data) of Gretton. > >Searching in NBI II with various name possibilities gets me zilch. > >She could have been buried in the Gretton nonconformist church >cemetary, as is my grandmother's brother, died 1938. >I'll contact Gretton Local History Society and ask if she is buried in >that cemetary. > >I am not sure how to go about getting access to local registration for >the death on the presumption that she died in Gretton. Starting with >registration, Gretton, was in registration district Uppingham, >Gretton then moved to Kettering which moved to Northamtonshire. > >The Northahmtonshire County Coucil offer a copy certificate service >but want to know the details of death date etc, which is what I am >trying to find. > >The Registration district records are at the Northamptonshire Records >Offfice. I guess I'll have to write and ask if research is possible on >the death registration records looking for a possible death. > >Many thanks again for all the thoughts and ideas that the replies have >given me. > A rather long shot ? :- JUN 1863 WADDS Dinah Ann Uppingham 7a 191