On 2013-07-14 03:18:18 +0000, Renia said: > On 08/07/2013 11:21, Tickettyboo wrote: > >> Its just the family type bits I am looking at, which are proving to be >> difficult. The fact that he was born in San Francisco was interesting, >> but unproductive so far in the way of records to verify that event. He >> did attend school in England , at Malvern, but I am still trawling >> through to see if I can spot him/ his parents in passenger lists to and >> from the US. We do have a copy of his death cert, but apart from the >> address no clues to family there. His CWGC entry says he was the son of >> Frederick George Fulton - no mention of a Mum or a wife. > > > The Malvern Register: > John Duncan Bertie Fulton; born 1876; son of Mrs. Fulton of 76 > Longridge Road, London, S. W. Entgered May 1890. Huntington House; Army > Side. House Prefect. Left Midsummer 1893. Passed into Woolwich; Royal > Artillery. > > He appears in the 1891 census at Malvern College, Worcestershire, then > aged 14 and given as born in California, but a British Subject. That he > was in the Army Side at Malvern shows his family or sponsor also had > army connections, probably in the R.A. > > His mother, J Elizabeth Fulton (indexed as Tulton on FindMyPast) was a > widow aged 43 in 1891, living on her own means and born in Yorkshire. > She had a cook and two housemaids living with her at 76 Longdridge > Road, Kensington, London. > > Jane Elizabeth Fulton died in 1910 leaving £8,000 and her executor was > John Duncan Bertie Fulton, Capt. R.A. She was aged 73 and had aged 10 > years since the 1891 census. John Duncan Bertie Fulton died in 1916 > leaving £6,000. > > Bertie Fulton sailed from Liverpool and arrived in New York on 20 Dec > 1880 on the ship City of Chester, in which he was classed as an > American Citizen aged 4. He was with his 30-year-old mother, Mrs > Fulton, on the main deck. > > Bertie was back in England in time for the 1881 census, when he was > living in Victoria Avenue, Harrogate, Yorkshire, at Straylea Villa, > with 3 servants and Edmund Faber, a 44-year-old lodger, who was a > banker born in France, but a British Subject. Bertie is given as born > in California. Visiting, were Walter Faber, aged 24, a Lieut in the > Royal Artillery who was born in Cockfosters, Hertfordshire, and John > Davison, aged 21, also a Lieut R.A. Bertie had no family living with > him at the time. > > Walter Vavasour Faber (1857-1928) was M.P. for Andover 1906-1918. He > was educated at Malvern and served in the R.A. as Captain. He was the > brother of Edmund Beckett Faber, 1st Baron Faber, also an M.P. for > Andover 1901-1905. They were the sons of Charles Wilson Faber (D.L. of > Hertfordshire) and Mary Beckett, daughter of Sir Edmund Beckett, 4th > Baronet. Charles Wilson Faber died in 1878 leaving £60,000, quite a > fortune in those days. He was then of Brighton, Sussex, but died in San > Remo, Italy, and his executor was Edmund Beckett Faber of Leeds. > > In 1861, the Faber brothers were living at Northaw House in > Hertfordshire with their family, including their sister, Elizabeth > Faber, then aged 20 and born in North Deighton, Yorkshire and their > brother, John D B Faber, aged 7. She was unmarried aged 30 and living > with her parents in Northaw House in 1871. John David Beverly Faber was > also there, a scholar aged 17. She was baptised at Kirk Deighton, > Yorkshire on 27th April 1841, born 27 Dec 1840. She married Mortimer > Sackville-West (Baron Sackville) in 1873 at Northaw and they both died > in 1888, which eliminates her as the mother of John DB Fulton. > > I can find no evidence for the existence of a Frederick George Fulton, > a George Frederick Fulton, a George Fulton or a Frederick Fulton. No > one suitable appears on censuses in Scotland, England, the USA or > Canada. Neither does anyone suitable appear on UK birth, marriage or > death registers. > > Only two Lady Fultons were of social note in 1929 (Whittaker's > Peerage), both of whom were widows and have been mentioned by others: > Lady Fulton (Sophia Browne, daughter of John B. Nicholson) married 1875 > Sir Forrest Fulton, Kt. Bach., K.C., Recorder of London etc, died 1925 > Lady Fulton (Margaret Edith, daughter of Brigade-Surgeon R. G. Mathew, > I.M.S.) married 1887 Sir Robert Fulton Fulton, Kt. Bach., I.C.S. ret., > sometime a Pulsne Judge, Bengal High Cout (died 1927). Residence: 7 > Sloane Gardens, London SW1 Thank you , I didn't have the passenger list (though it was on my list to look using the name Bertie after I had seen the 1881 census) so that's another piece of info to help to build up this puzzle. and its always good that a second pair of eyes independently confirms that what has been found so far. and the Faber men who were listed in the same household must have had some link to JDBF/his mother. Family friends or relatives possibly. On JDBFs death cert the entry in the informant's column was "Faber. Causing the body to be buried. 19 Park Street" I don't think I have ever seen the phrase 'causing the body to be buried' on a death cert before, so that's a new one for me. According to the London Electoral Roll for 1915 (19 Park Street, St George, Grosvenor Ward) the man was Lord Faber. -- Tickettyboo