On 08/07/2013 10:09, Geoff Pearson wrote: > > "Tickettyboo" <tickettyboo@mail2oops.com> wrote in message > news:b3u6i6F8d6uU1@mid.individual.net... >> I am way out of my usual area here <I have a long line of Ag Labs and >> Anchor Smiths and haven't ever needed to venture up the 'posh end'> >> >> Trying to help a friend who is researching the history of a previous >> owner of a military sword, one John Duncan Bertie Fulton (1876-1915) >> In amongst the masses of paperwork he has collected about this man's >> career etc is confirmation from The Central Chancery if the Orders of >> Knighthood saying that, in 1914, he was amongst those "To be Ordinary >> Members of the Military Division of the Third Class, or Companions, of >> the Most Honourable Order of the Bath". >> >> Okay, so that is confirmed, but would this entitle his wife/widow to >> style herself as 'Lady Fulton'? >> >> I can't find a record of this man marrying but various articles on the >> net indicate that the Fulton Block, in RAF Cosford was built c 1938 >> and named in his memory. The funding of £250,000 was said to come from >> his widow, Lady Fulton. I haven't yet found a marriage for him and >> there was no mention of a widow on the CWGC site, nor in a four page >> obit about him in 'The Aeroplane' vol IX, no 20, dated 17th November >> 1915, so its just not adding up at the moment. >> >> Supplementary question - His probate record says Administration (with >> Will limited) to an attorney. Am I correct in thinking that the >> 'limited' relates to the Administration (perhaps not all of the estate >> was clear to go into probate and they allowed 'some' of his effects to >> be adminstered) , and not a comment about the actual will? I am hoping >> that a will may shed some light on whether or not he married. >> >> -- >> Tickettyboo >> > > In the 1911 census he is shown as "single" aged 34. Might there be two > John Fultons? There's a John D Fulton married in 1910 to either Alice C Harris or May Mortimer in Fulham. I believe he was a Lt-Colonel in the RFA so his wife may have been styled Lady as a courtesy title. Have you tried contacting RAF Cosford? -- Graeme Wall This account not read, substitute trains for rail. Railway Miscellany at <http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail>

"Graeme Wall" <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:5fwCt.34044$2z3.8730@fx28.fr7... > On 08/07/2013 10:09, Geoff Pearson wrote: >> >> "Tickettyboo" <tickettyboo@mail2oops.com> wrote in message >> news:b3u6i6F8d6uU1@mid.individual.net... >>> I am way out of my usual area here <I have a long line of Ag Labs and >>> Anchor Smiths and haven't ever needed to venture up the 'posh end'> >>> >>> Trying to help a friend who is researching the history of a previous >>> owner of a military sword, one John Duncan Bertie Fulton (1876-1915) >>> In amongst the masses of paperwork he has collected about this man's >>> career etc is confirmation from The Central Chancery if the Orders of >>> Knighthood saying that, in 1914, he was amongst those "To be Ordinary >>> Members of the Military Division of the Third Class, or Companions, of >>> the Most Honourable Order of the Bath". >>> >>> Okay, so that is confirmed, but would this entitle his wife/widow to >>> style herself as 'Lady Fulton'? >>> >>> I can't find a record of this man marrying but various articles on the >>> net indicate that the Fulton Block, in RAF Cosford was built c 1938 >>> and named in his memory. The funding of £250,000 was said to come from >>> his widow, Lady Fulton. I haven't yet found a marriage for him and >>> there was no mention of a widow on the CWGC site, nor in a four page >>> obit about him in 'The Aeroplane' vol IX, no 20, dated 17th November >>> 1915, so its just not adding up at the moment. >>> >>> Supplementary question - His probate record says Administration (with >>> Will limited) to an attorney. Am I correct in thinking that the >>> 'limited' relates to the Administration (perhaps not all of the estate >>> was clear to go into probate and they allowed 'some' of his effects to >>> be adminstered) , and not a comment about the actual will? I am hoping >>> that a will may shed some light on whether or not he married. >>> >>> -- >>> Tickettyboo >>> >> >> In the 1911 census he is shown as "single" aged 34. Might there be two >> John Fultons? > > There's a John D Fulton married in 1910 to either Alice C Harris or May > Mortimer in Fulham. > > I believe he was a Lt-Colonel in the RFA so his wife may have been styled > Lady as a courtesy title. > > Have you tried contacting RAF Cosford? > > -- > Graeme Wall > This account not read, substitute trains for rail. > Railway Miscellany at <http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail> I think if the wife of a Lt Colonel called herself Lady without entitlement the senior officers would have something to say. It is a relatively junior rank amongst senior officers (one below my own) and miles below where a knighthood would be awarded today. He seems to have moved very fast between being single in 1911 and married but dead in 1915 , with a CB picked up on the way at the age of 39. Perhaps he was a spy or did something special that cannot be spoken of?

On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 11:38:13 +0100, "Geoff Pearson" <gspearson1647@hotmail.com> wrote: > >"Graeme Wall" <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote in message >news:5fwCt.34044$2z3.8730@fx28.fr7... >> On 08/07/2013 10:09, Geoff Pearson wrote: >>> >>> "Tickettyboo" <tickettyboo@mail2oops.com> wrote in message >>> news:b3u6i6F8d6uU1@mid.individual.net... >>>> I am way out of my usual area here <I have a long line of Ag Labs and >>>> Anchor Smiths and haven't ever needed to venture up the 'posh end'> >>>> >>>> Trying to help a friend who is researching the history of a previous >>>> owner of a military sword, one John Duncan Bertie Fulton (1876-1915) >>>> In amongst the masses of paperwork he has collected about this man's >>>> career etc is confirmation from The Central Chancery if the Orders of >>>> Knighthood saying that, in 1914, he was amongst those "To be Ordinary >>>> Members of the Military Division of the Third Class, or Companions, of >>>> the Most Honourable Order of the Bath". >>>> >>>> Okay, so that is confirmed, but would this entitle his wife/widow to >>>> style herself as 'Lady Fulton'? >>>> >>>> I can't find a record of this man marrying but various articles on the >>>> net indicate that the Fulton Block, in RAF Cosford was built c 1938 >>>> and named in his memory. The funding of £250,000 was said to come from >>>> his widow, Lady Fulton. I haven't yet found a marriage for him and >>>> there was no mention of a widow on the CWGC site, nor in a four page >>>> obit about him in 'The Aeroplane' vol IX, no 20, dated 17th November >>>> 1915, so its just not adding up at the moment. >>>> >>>> Supplementary question - His probate record says Administration (with >>>> Will limited) to an attorney. Am I correct in thinking that the >>>> 'limited' relates to the Administration (perhaps not all of the estate >>>> was clear to go into probate and they allowed 'some' of his effects to >>>> be adminstered) , and not a comment about the actual will? I am hoping >>>> that a will may shed some light on whether or not he married. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tickettyboo >>>> >>> >>> In the 1911 census he is shown as "single" aged 34. Might there be two >>> John Fultons? >> >> There's a John D Fulton married in 1910 to either Alice C Harris or May >> Mortimer in Fulham. >> Possibly John FULTON (25), storekeeper for an electrical fittings company and Alice (25) at 21 Goldney Road, Paddington in 1911, married for less than a year ? >> I believe he was a Lt-Colonel in the RFA so his wife may have been styled >> Lady as a courtesy title. >> >> Have you tried contacting RAF Cosford? >> >> -- >> Graeme Wall >> This account not read, substitute trains for rail. >> Railway Miscellany at <http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail> > >I think if the wife of a Lt Colonel called herself Lady without entitlement >the senior officers would have something to say. > Being a woman was the only qualification necessary as long as she only used the "Lady" in conjunction with her surname not some supposed title. >It is a relatively junior >rank amongst senior officers (one below my own) and miles below where a >knighthood would be awarded today. He seems to have moved very fast between >being single in 1911 and married but dead in 1915 , with a CB picked up on >the way at the age of 39. Perhaps he was a spy or did something special >that cannot be spoken of?

"Graeme Wall" <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:5fwCt.34044$2z3.8730@fx28.fr7... > On 08/07/2013 10:09, Geoff Pearson wrote: >> >> "Tickettyboo" <tickettyboo@mail2oops.com> wrote in message >> news:b3u6i6F8d6uU1@mid.individual.net... >>> I am way out of my usual area here <I have a long line of Ag Labs and >>> Anchor Smiths and haven't ever needed to venture up the 'posh end'> >>> >>> Trying to help a friend who is researching the history of a previous >>> owner of a military sword, one John Duncan Bertie Fulton (1876-1915) >>> In amongst the masses of paperwork he has collected about this man's >>> career etc is confirmation from The Central Chancery if the Orders of >>> Knighthood saying that, in 1914, he was amongst those "To be Ordinary >>> Members of the Military Division of the Third Class, or Companions, of >>> the Most Honourable Order of the Bath". >>> >>> Okay, so that is confirmed, but would this entitle his wife/widow to >>> style herself as 'Lady Fulton'? >>> >>> I can't find a record of this man marrying but various articles on the >>> net indicate that the Fulton Block, in RAF Cosford was built c 1938 >>> and named in his memory. The funding of £250,000 was said to come from >>> his widow, Lady Fulton. I haven't yet found a marriage for him and >>> there was no mention of a widow on the CWGC site, nor in a four page >>> obit about him in 'The Aeroplane' vol IX, no 20, dated 17th November >>> 1915, so its just not adding up at the moment. >>> >>> Supplementary question - His probate record says Administration (with >>> Will limited) to an attorney. Am I correct in thinking that the >>> 'limited' relates to the Administration (perhaps not all of the estate >>> was clear to go into probate and they allowed 'some' of his effects to >>> be adminstered) , and not a comment about the actual will? I am hoping >>> that a will may shed some light on whether or not he married. >>> >>> -- >>> Tickettyboo >>> >> >> In the 1911 census he is shown as "single" aged 34. Might there be two >> John Fultons? > > There's a John D Fulton married in 1910 to either Alice C Harris or May > Mortimer in Fulham. > > I believe he was a Lt-Colonel in the RFA so his wife may have been styled > Lady as a courtesy title. > > Have you tried contacting RAF Cosford? > > -- > Graeme Wall > This account not read, substitute trains for rail. > Railway Miscellany at <http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail> And this: Chief Inspectors- Brevet Major William D. Beatty, Royal Engineeers, from a Deputy Assistant Quartermaster- General, and to be temporary Lieutenant-Colonel whilst so employed, vice Major (temporary Lieutenant - Colonel) J. D. B. Fulton, C.B. (since deceased). Dated 31st October, 1915. Captain Ralph K. Bagnall-Wild,