On 2013-07-08 10:11:16 +0000, Graeme Wall said: > On 08/07/2013 10:09, Geoff Pearson wrote: >> >> "Tickettyboo" <tickettyboo@mail2oops.com> wrote in message >> news:b3u6i6F8d6uU1@mid.individual.net... >>> I am way out of my usual area here <I have a long line of Ag Labs and >>> Anchor Smiths and haven't ever needed to venture up the 'posh end'> >>> >>> Trying to help a friend who is researching the history of a previous >>> owner of a military sword, one John Duncan Bertie Fulton (1876-1915) >>> In amongst the masses of paperwork he has collected about this man's >>> career etc is confirmation from The Central Chancery if the Orders of >>> Knighthood saying that, in 1914, he was amongst those "To be Ordinary >>> Members of the Military Division of the Third Class, or Companions, of >>> the Most Honourable Order of the Bath". >>> >>> Okay, so that is confirmed, but would this entitle his wife/widow to >>> style herself as 'Lady Fulton'? >>> >> >> In the 1911 census he is shown as "single" aged 34. Might there be two >> John Fultons? > > There's a John D Fulton married in 1910 to either Alice C Harris or May > Mortimer in Fulham. I spotted that one and checked it out in the London Parish database, this John D had a middle name of Davey so its not the manI am looking for > > I believe he was a Lt-Colonel in the RFA so his wife may have been > styled Lady as a courtesy title. > > Have you tried contacting RAF Cosford? Yes, I tried the museum first and they suggested the base, so I have emailed to ask if they can point me in the right direction. -- Tickettyboo

"Tickettyboo" <tickettyboo@mail2oops.com> wrote in message news:b3vj57Fh5ukU1@mid.individual.net... > On 2013-07-08 10:11:16 +0000, Graeme Wall said: > >> On 08/07/2013 10:09, Geoff Pearson wrote: >>> >>> "Tickettyboo" <tickettyboo@mail2oops.com> wrote in message >>> news:b3u6i6F8d6uU1@mid.individual.net... >>>> I am way out of my usual area here <I have a long line of Ag Labs and >>>> Anchor Smiths and haven't ever needed to venture up the 'posh end'> >>>> >>>> Trying to help a friend who is researching the history of a previous >>>> owner of a military sword, one John Duncan Bertie Fulton (1876-1915) >>>> In amongst the masses of paperwork he has collected about this man's >>>> career etc is confirmation from The Central Chancery if the Orders of >>>> Knighthood saying that, in 1914, he was amongst those "To be Ordinary >>>> Members of the Military Division of the Third Class, or Companions, of >>>> the Most Honourable Order of the Bath". >>>> >>>> Okay, so that is confirmed, but would this entitle his wife/widow to >>>> style herself as 'Lady Fulton'? >>>> >>> >>> In the 1911 census he is shown as "single" aged 34. Might there be two >>> John Fultons? >> >> There's a John D Fulton married in 1910 to either Alice C Harris or May >> Mortimer in Fulham. > > I spotted that one and checked it out in the London Parish database, this > John D had a middle name of Davey so its not the manI am looking for >> >> I believe he was a Lt-Colonel in the RFA so his wife may have been styled >> Lady as a courtesy title. >> >> Have you tried contacting RAF Cosford? > > Yes, I tried the museum first and they suggested the base, so I have > emailed to ask if they can point me in the right direction. > > -- > Tickettyboo > And another Royal Flying Corps. The undermentioned appointments are made: - Aeronautical Inspection- Department. Major John D. B. Fulton, C.B., Royal Artillery, Chief Inspector, to be graded as a Wing Commander, and to be temporary Lieutenant-Colonel. Dated 1st December, 1914.

The plot thickens. Allegedly, JDB Fulton married Marie Carew in 1898 and had a son Denis in 1899 in Crediton Devon. In 1901, Marie Fulton ,decsribing herself as an artist and wife of Army Captain, is living with Denis over a greengrocers. I note that JDB Fulton was not gazetted Lieutenant till Sptember 1901, never mind Captain. However, in 1911, Marie is the wife of Henry Herbert Chaston, toilet and perfumery manufacturer, living in Hapenden, allegedly married 10 years, with children by him aged 4-8, plus Denis Fulton, 11, stepson. There is no trace of a marriage of JDB Fulton and Marie Carew, but as she was born in Wexford, Ireland, this could be where a marriage happened. However again, Henry Herbert Chaston was divorved by his first wife, Maud, in 1901 (case set down on the very day he returned to England from New York. The charge was adultery with an unknown woman, striking her with clenched fist, and deserting her in 1898. The decree nisi was in April 1901, final in October 1901. Therefore a marriage of Henry to Marie ten years before April 1911 was not possible, and no registration is found until 1910, when Henry Herbert Chaston marries Marie Parry Jones (probably at a register office, no church event found). There is no divorce for JOHN DB Fulton or Marie Fulton. The probability is they were not married. Otherwise, she3 was committing bigamy and would hardly dare a high profile association with JDBH> When Henry H Chaston died in 1937, leavibng a small estate, his widow was Vera Isabella. Marie, allegedly dying in 1935. left no will in any of her known names. So probably JDB Fulton really was unmarried in 1911 - the son Dnis may or may not be his, but Maried Chaston would have no claim to be 'Lady Fulton', wven by bidding up his CBE. And no access to large funds, unless she found another man with money (at an advanced age for that sort of thing). Is it possible that the 'Lady Fulton' concerned was the hero's aged Mother, or an aunt, wishing to commemorate him? EVE

"Tickettyboo" <tickettyboo@mail2oops.com> wrote in message news:b3vj57Fh5ukU1@mid.individual.net... > On 2013-07-08 10:11:16 +0000, Graeme Wall said: > >> On 08/07/2013 10:09, Geoff Pearson wrote: >>> >>> "Tickettyboo" <tickettyboo@mail2oops.com> wrote in message >>> news:b3u6i6F8d6uU1@mid.individual.net... >>>> I am way out of my usual area here <I have a long line of Ag Labs and >>>> Anchor Smiths and haven't ever needed to venture up the 'posh end'> >>>> >>>> Trying to help a friend who is researching the history of a previous >>>> owner of a military sword, one John Duncan Bertie Fulton (1876-1915) >>>> In amongst the masses of paperwork he has collected about this man's >>>> career etc is confirmation from The Central Chancery if the Orders of >>>> Knighthood saying that, in 1914, he was amongst those "To be Ordinary >>>> Members of the Military Division of the Third Class, or Companions, of >>>> the Most Honourable Order of the Bath". >>>> >>>> Okay, so that is confirmed, but would this entitle his wife/widow to >>>> style herself as 'Lady Fulton'? >>>> >>> >>> In the 1911 census he is shown as "single" aged 34. Might there be two >>> John Fultons? >> >> There's a John D Fulton married in 1910 to either Alice C Harris or May >> Mortimer in Fulham. > > I spotted that one and checked it out in the London Parish database, this > John D had a middle name of Davey so its not the manI am looking for >> >> I believe he was a Lt-Colonel in the RFA so his wife may have been styled >> Lady as a courtesy title. >> >> Have you tried contacting RAF Cosford? > > Yes, I tried the museum first and they suggested the base, so I have > emailed to ask if they can point me in the right direction. > > -- > Tickettyboo > The Ministry of Defence will have passed the files on the construction of the Fulton Mess to the National Archives. I worked on the half century of St Andrews House in Edinburgh HQ of the Scottish Government), opened 4 September 1939 and was able to see all the files.