Hi Ron, I know this thread is nearly 4 years old but in the hope you may come across this... I too am tracing the exact same people and have come across the same problem. I was wondering if by chance you managed to gather any further information about Samuel & Phyllis from 1891 or indeed anything else that I may not have discovered yet. Are you on Genes Reunited, or do you have a tree I could look at? Samuel & Phyllis were my partner's Gt Gt Nan & Grandad on his father's side and I have managed to gather a bit of information so far about this side of the family (only been researching for the last few weeks). Most seem to be from Essex / South London. Regards, Sam