On 31-07-2013 18:45, Renia wrote: > On 31/07/2013 10:49, Ian Goddard wrote: >> Geoff Pearson wrote: >> >>> However, interesting question: does anyone have a proven ancestor >>> only 5 generations back living before 1700? Given that we normally >>> allow 30 years per generation it will be very good going but could >>> be done. >> >> OP wrote 5x *great grandfather*. Add on father & grandfather so >> we're dealing with 7 previous generations, not 5. Does anyone have a >> 5xggfather living before 1700? Well, for a start: >> >> John Goddard, my 5x ggfather, bapt 25 Jul 1687, Holmfirth chapel, >> Almondbury parish, bur 21 Aug 1750, Kirkburton, was mine. He married >> 1711. > > Nearly. My 5x great-grandfather, John Bury, was born about 1706 (or > perhaps earlier). He was born when his father was about 40 years old, > and had his own son when he, himself was about 27 years old. There was a > similar 27-year gap between the next three generations, then a 42-year > gap, a 49-year gap until the birth of my grandfather, who was aged 53 > and dead when my mother was born. My grandfather Laurens de Vroom was born 1825 and married 1884 to a far younger wife where he got 8 children. That way its easy to get the 5th ggf before 1700. -- Richard van Schaik f.m.a.vanschaikREMOVE@THISgmail.com http://www.fmavanschaik.nl/

On 02-08-2013 12:45, Richard van Schaik wrote: > On 31-07-2013 18:45, Renia wrote: >> On 31/07/2013 10:49, Ian Goddard wrote: >>> Geoff Pearson wrote: >>> >>>> However, interesting question: does anyone have a proven ancestor >>>> only 5 generations back living before 1700? Given that we normally >>>> allow 30 years per generation it will be very good going but could >>>> be done. >>> >>> OP wrote 5x *great grandfather*. Add on father & grandfather so >>> we're dealing with 7 previous generations, not 5. Does anyone have a >>> 5xggfather living before 1700? Well, for a start: >>> >>> John Goddard, my 5x ggfather, bapt 25 Jul 1687, Holmfirth chapel, >>> Almondbury parish, bur 21 Aug 1750, Kirkburton, was mine. He married >>> 1711. >> >> Nearly. My 5x great-grandfather, John Bury, was born about 1706 (or >> perhaps earlier). He was born when his father was about 40 years old, >> and had his own son when he, himself was about 27 years old. There was a >> similar 27-year gap between the next three generations, then a 42-year >> gap, a 49-year gap until the birth of my grandfather, who was aged 53 >> and dead when my mother was born. > > My grandfather Laurens de Vroom was born 1825 and married 1884 to a far > younger wife where he got 8 children. That way its easy to get the 5th > ggf before 1700. Oops, great-grandfather of course -- Richard van Schaik f.m.a.vanschaikREMOVE@THISgmail.com http://www.fmavanschaik.nl/

From: Richard van Schaik wrote, Friday, August 02, 2013 11:45 AM > My grandfather Laurens de Vroom was born 1825 and married 1884 My mother was born 16 Apr 1917, when her father was 60. He was born 22 Feb 1857 when his father was 61. He was born 22 Aug 1796 when his father was 29. He was born 21 Nov 1767 when his father was 42. He was born 13 Dec 1725 when his father was 30. He was born 27 Jan 1695 when his father was 34. He was born 1661 when his father was 36. He was born 1625 when his father was 45. He was born 1580 when his father was 37. He was born 1543 when his father was 35. He was born 1508 when his father was 48. He was born 1460 - that's as far back as we go in that line ;-) Average age of the father at the birth of my ancestor is 41.5 (average of those eleven ages) 1460 to 1917 = 457 years between first & last birth, 12 generations = 38 years per generation, = 2.6 generations per century. That's down my male line, of course. If one were to do the same exercise with the last-born sons the result would be different. Going down the female line of first-born daughters would be very, very different ! Of course, being a woman, my mother broke that chain, for I was born in 1939 on her 22nd birthday. She died in 2004, so she, her father and her grandfather (three generations) extended over four centuries (1796 - 2004). There was a letter to the Daily telegraph many years ago (which I have somewhere) from someone whose grandfather was also born in 1796, but *his* last child was born in the 1960s, i.e. a "generation" later than me. My father's father's mother was an ARDEN; that male line goes back to Siward, Lord of Wallingford, circa 800 AD - but the dates of birth are not recorded until 17 generations later, in 1412 ! No. CBA Some other time, perhaps ! And how trustworthy are they anyway ??? ;-)