> 11. Re: Quarter years (Renia) > > > As I said, different rules for different areas at different times. Late > 18th century Yorkshire, for example, for a short period, gives the birth > date, baptism date, parents' names, mother's maiden name, and name of > grandparents! > > > That sounds to me like a so-called "Dade Register" - see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parish_register These genealogists dreams are largely confirmed to the North of England, though not exclusively - at least one Essex parish had one, though I cannot remember which parish. Adrian

From: Adrian Gray <grayadrian3@gmail.com> > > 11. Re: Quarter years (Renia) > > > > > > As I said, different rules for different areas at different times. Late > > 18th century Yorkshire, for example, for a short period, gives the birth > > date, baptism date, parents' names, mother's maiden name, and name of > > grandparents! > > > > > > > That sounds to me like a so-called "Dade Register" - see here: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parish_register > > These genealogists dreams are largely confirmed to the North of England, > though not exclusively - at least one Essex parish had one, though I cannot > remember which parish.> Here is a list of parishes with Dade Registers that I came across some years ago. I must point out that it was not compiled by myself but by a Yorkshire genealogist called Roger Bellingham who is the acknowledged expert on them. It may still be on the internet somewhere but I couldn't find it today. However, I found it in one of my own posts to a Rootsweb list in 2002. It's 10 years old, so maybe other examples have been found since then. Dade Registers existed for rather longer than a "short period", beginning in the mid-1770s and going up to 1812, when new arrangements for recording baptisms, marriages and burials came into being under George Rose's Act. Ironically, these gave somewhat less information than the Dade Registers! Dade-type registers also existed, but for a much shorter period, in Durham and Northumberland, which were called Barrington Registers, introduced by Bishop Shute Barrington. > LIST of DADE REGISTERS > YPRS = Published by the Yorks. Parish Register Society > Thoresby = Published by the Thoresby Society > HFHS = Huddersfield FHS > * Registers at the Borthwick Institute of Historical Research, York. > > YORKSHIRE AINSTY (14) > *Acaster Malbis, *Acomb (YPRS), *Askham Bryan (YPRS), *Bilbrough, > *Bishopthorpe (YPRS), *Bolton Percy, *Healaugh, Long Marston, *Moor > Monkton, *Nether Poppleton, *Rufforth, *Thorp Arch, *Walton in Ainsty > (YPRS), *Wighill > > YORK (23) > *All Saints North Street, *All Saints Pavement, *Holy Trinity > Goodramgate (YPRS), *Holy Trinity King`s Court (YPRS), *Holy Trinity > Micklegate, *St Crux (YPRS), *St Cuthbert, *St Denys with St George, > *St Helen Stonegate, *St John Ousebridge, *St Lawrence (YPRS), *St > Margaret Walmgate, *St Martin Coney Street (YPRS), *St Martin > Micklegate, *St Mary Bishophill junior (YPRS), *St Mary Bishophill > senior, *St Mary Castlegate (YPRS), *St Maurice, *St Michael le > Belfrey, *St Michael Spurriergate, *St Olave (YPRS), *St Sampson, *St > Saviour > > YORKSHIRE EAST RIDING (46) > *Acklam & Leavening, *Allerthorpe, *Aughton (YPRS), *Barlby, *Barmby > Moor, Barmston, *Bishop Wilton *Bubwith (YPRS), *Catton, > *Copmanthorpe, *Ellerton, *Elvington, *Escrick, *Everingham, > *Fangfoss, *Fulford, Garton on the Wolds, *Great Givendale, *Hayton, > *Hemingbrough, *Heslington (YPRS), *Holme on Spalding Moor, *Huggate, > *Kirby Grindalythe, *Kirby Underdale, *Market Weighton, *Millington, > *Naburn, North Cave, North Ferriby, *Pocklington, *Riccall (YPRS), > Sancton, *Scrayingham, *Seaton Ross, *Sherburn in Hartford Lythe, > *Stillingfleet, *Thorganby, *Thornton on Spalding Moor, Ulrome, > *Weaverthorpe West Heslerton, *Westow, Wetwang, *Wheldrake, *Yapham > > YORKSHIRE NORTH RIDING (33) > *Alne, *Bossall, Bowes (YPRS), *Brafferton, *Brandsby, Castle Bolton, > *Coxwold (YPRS), *Crayke, *Easingwold (YPRS), *Farlington, *Gate > Helmsley, *Haxby, *Hovingham, *Huntington, *Husthwaite, *Huttons Ambo, > Kirkbymoorside, *Marton cum Moxby, *New Malton, *Old Malton, > *Osbaldwick, *Overton, *Raskelf (YPRS), Scruton (YPRS), *Skelton, > Stainton, *Stillington, *Stockton on Forest, *Strensall, *Thormanby, > Topcliffe, *Warthill, *Wigginton > > YORKSHIRE WEST RIDING 42) > *Aberford (Thoresby), Ackworth, Addingham (YPRS), Adel (Thoresby), > Airmyn, Armthorpe, Badsworth, Bardsey, Barnby Dunn, Barwick in Elmet, > Batley (HFHS), Bolton Abbey, Braithwell (YPRS), *Bramham, *Brayton, > *Carlton juxta Snaith (YPRS), *Cawood, *Church Fenton, *Drax, Farnley, > Fishlake, Giggleswick, Hatfield, Headingley, Kirk Broweth, Kirkburton, > *Monk Fryston, *Newton Kyme, Owston (YPRS), Pannal, Pudsey, *Ryther, > *Saxton in Elmet (YPRS), *Selby, *Sherburn in Elmet, Skipton, > Spofforth, Swillington (YPRS), *Tadcaster, Wath on Dearne, Wentworth, > *Wistow > > Other counties: > CHESHIRE (3): Alsager, Macclesfield, Witton; DEVON (1): Uplyme; ESSEX > (1): Moreton; LANCASHIRE (8) Aldingham, Ashton in Makerfield, Blawith, > Hawkshead, Hindley, Lowick, Rufford, Satterthwaite; NOTTINGHAMSHIRE > (8): Beeston, Coddington, East Stoke, Finningley, Mansfield, Sutton > Bonington, Syerston, Teversal; SURREY (1) Chertsey > > TOTAL = 180 -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

From: Adrian Gray <grayadrian3@gmail.com> > > 11. Re: Quarter years (Renia) > > > > > > As I said, different rules for different areas at different times. Late > > 18th century Yorkshire, for example, for a short period, gives the birth > > date, baptism date, parents' names, mother's maiden name, and name of > > grandparents! > > > > > > > That sounds to me like a so-called "Dade Register" - see here: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parish_register > > These genealogists dreams are largely confirmed to the North of England, > though not exclusively - at least one Essex parish had one, though I cannot > remember which parish.> It was Moreton, Essex. I've now found an article on Dade Registers by Roger Bellingham at: http://www.localpopulationstudies.org.uk/PDF/LPS73/Article_3_Bellingham_pp51-60. pdf Well worth a read for those who want to truly understand the immense value of Dade Registers. Here's a classic I found myself in the parish of Topcliffe-by-Thirsk in the North Riding of Yorkshire in 1778..... 'John Harker, son of Benjamin Harker, of Asenby, labourer, son of John Harker of Scugdale, farmer, and of Ann, daughter of James Dunning of Boultby, farmer, by Jane, daughter of William Lumley of Cold Kirby, farmer, born on Monday the 7th of September, baptized on Sunday the 11th of October'. Analyse this entry carefully and you will see that William Lumley was the great-grandfather of John Harker, the child being baptised, so what we have here is part of a four-generation family tree. Now, that is something we don't get on a modern birth certificate! The aforementioned John Harker, son of Benjamin, was a brother of the infamous Mary Bateman, nee Harker, known as the Yorkshire Witch who was hanged at York in 1809 for a murder by poisoning in Leeds and whose life of crime I have extensively researched. Dade Registers are mostly for baptisms only, however there is at least one Yorkshire parish which had Dade marriage registers. This was Sherburn-in-Elmet and it contains some wonderful stuff. Consider, for instance, this marriage in 1783..... "22 Jul Robert Jeffreys of Aberford in this parish aged 27 menial servant to Mr. Raper otsp, s/o Robt of Hull flaxdresser by Patience hwdo Wormsley Todd of Beverley mill wright = Elizabeth Goodall of Aberford aforesaid age 21, d/o George otsp clockmaker by Elizabeth hwdo Robert Acaster of Micklefield farmer Lic. Wit. [blank] Rogers, Ann Rogers." Abbreviations: otsp = of the same place s/o = son of hwdo = his wife, daughter of d/o = daughter of Note that this entry gives us the following information: Ages and place of residence of the bridegroom and bride. Name of the bridegroom's employer. Names, occupations and places of residence of both sets of parents. Names, occupations and places of residence of the two grandfathers. We can see how valuable this entry is, especially since both the groom's parents were from parishes some distance from Sherburn in Elmet. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE