On Monday, December 29, 2014 11:33:20 AM UTC-5, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: > In message <[email protected]>, Geoff Pearson > <[email protected]> writes: > > > >"cecilia" <[email protected]> wrote in message > >news:[email protected] > >> "Gordon" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >>>Yes, the "on Sea" bit tends to get dropped by us "locals" when > >>>talking about > >>>Gorleston. This happens a lot in the UK where there is a name something > >>>on/by etc it is not uncommon to find that the first part of the name > >>>is what > >>>people tend to use as opposed to the full name because locally everyone > >>>knows what you are talking about.[...] > > Which _can_ cause confusion, especially when there are several > widely-separated places with the name, all of which are moderately > sizeable: Newcastle, for example, is taken by most to mean -upon-Tyne, > the capital of Geordieland (and where I'm typing this), but a > sufficiently large proportion think of -under-Lyme, and the one in > Northern Ireland is selected by some mapping softwares (if you plot a > route and it starts taking you up through north Wales, ...!). [There are > several other Newcastles too - not surprising really. (I've never > actually visited the castle! I must sometime.)] > >> > >> It's usually when everyone else drops the "on sea" etc and the locals > >> use it that I get confused, as in Boulogne-sur-Mer.. > >> > >> For the UK, I find the BT telephone directory helpful - put in a > >> place-name, and it may well offer possibilities. > > That's (some way down on the right on) bt.com, if anyone's wondering > where to find it. > >> > >> E,g, > >> > >> "Wells" asks for a choice between > >> > >> 1. WELLS { - SOMERSET} > >> 2. WELLS GREEN { Crewe - CHESHIRE} > >> 3. WELLS NEXT THE SEA { - NORFOLK} > > > >And no one talks about Kingston-upon- Hull, or do they? > > For the benefit of foreigners: that one's a trick question: the place is > more or less universally known as Hull. (If you say Kingston, people > assume the one on Thames - though that is usually given in full.) I > suspect most even Brits, from outside the area anyway, don't even know > Hull is a river. (Except in the telecommunications industry: when all of > England - possibly Britain - got its telephone service from the GPO > [general post office], later BT, Hull was the exception, and got them > from Kingston Communications; distinguished by having green telephone > boxes, when the rest of the country [and places further afield like the > Falkland Islands!] had red ones. [Sadly, you'll have a job to find a > 'phone box of any colour these days, at least one that hasn't been > retired and turned into a village noticeboard/flowerbox.]) > -- > J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)[email protected]+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf > > "Dook, that was great but I think the line needs > awe. Can you do it again, giving it just a little awe?" > > "Sure, George," said Wayne and looking up at the cross said: > "Aw, truly this man is the son of God." > (recounted in Radio Times, 30 March-5 April 2013.) Did the BT thing. Came up with Gorleston, Greater Yarmouth. Either the family moved or their phone is unlisted or like most families in the U.S., they only have a cell phone. Sigh, Genealogy is getting harder now. Susan There's more to NY than NYC.