On Monday, 8 September 2014 23:42:02 UTC+1, Tickettyboo wrote: > RG4 Piece 1581: South Shields, Apsceate Congregation (Scotch Church), > 1783-1813 > I am not very au fait with the various flavours of Non Conformists and > though I have Googled till my fingers are worn down I can't find any > explanation of the term "Apsceate" > > This is the hand written title page of the register > https://www.dropbox.com/s/cbd4csl2jxmqe57/04.jpg?dl=0 > I suppose it 'could' say Apsclate, but I can't find any explanation of > that either. > > If its relevant, I believe that this is the first of two books > submitted in 1837. The first one (above )does not have the > Certificate/Statement on the film, but the second one (Piece 2836, > NorthShields, Secession Church, Norfolk St, 1813-1837) does, and it > states two books were submitted which together cover 1783- 1837 though > the entries in Piece 2836 start at 1814 (so it was the second book and > Piece 1581 would be the first) > > The signatures on the handwritten certification at the end of both > pieces are by the same three men, so I think its reasonable to assume > its the same church/congregation for both. > > Can anyone shed any light on the term "apsceate" please? Does it > indicate a change (though maybe just slight) in the religion, perhaps > they were a sub group of the Scotch Church from 1814 onwards? > > tch! The longer I do this stuff the more I realise that there is SO > much I just have no idea about! > > > Thanks > > -- > Tickettyboo Hello- I am also doing research that involves the "South Shields Apsceate Church" and baptisms that took place there in the late 1790s- early 1800s- I think more info is to be gleaned if you search for the "Scotch Church" which is what I am going to do shortly. To be fair- even though there is a "great big river" between N. and S. Shields- I have just read that back then the river could be forded (crossed) at low tide...don't know if that helps at all- 'just thought it was worth a mention! Good luck with all your research- fascinating aint it?!!! Jane

On 16/01/15 15:35, [email protected] wrote:> On Monday, 8 September 2014 23:42:02 UTC+1, Tickettyboo wrote: >> RG4 Piece 1581: South Shields, Apsceate Congregation (Scotch Church), >> 1783-1813 >> I am not very au fait with the various flavours of Non Conformists and >> though I have Googled till my fingers are worn down I can't find any >> explanation of the term "Apsceate" Could it be "apostate" - someone who abandons his religion - a renegade or rebel? Could it be associated with a split or secession from the church?

On 2015-01-16 15:35:16 +0000, [email protected] said: > On Monday, 8 September 2014 23:42:02 UTC+1, Tickettyboo wrote: >> RG4 Piece 1581: South Shields, Apsceate Congregation (Scotch Church),> >> 1783-1813 >> I am not very au fait with the various flavours of Non Conformists and> >> though I have Googled till my fingers are worn down I can't find any> >> explanation of the term "Apsceate" >> >> This is the hand written title page of the register >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/cbd4csl2jxmqe57/04.jpg?dl=0 >> I suppose it 'could' say Apsclate, but I can't find any explanation of> >> that either. >> >> If its relevant, I believe that this is the first of two books> >> submitted in 1837. The first one (above )does not have the> >> Certificate/Statement on the film, but the second one (Piece 2836,> >> NorthShields, Secession Church, Norfolk St, 1813-1837) does, and it> >> states two books were submitted which together cover 1783- 1837 >> though> the entries in Piece 2836 start at 1814 (so it was the second >> book and> Piece 1581 would be the first) >> >> The signatures on the handwritten certification at the end of both> >> pieces are by the same three men, so I think its reasonable to assume> >> its the same church/congregation for both. >> >> Can anyone shed any light on the term "apsceate" please? Does it> >> indicate a change (though maybe just slight) in the religion, perhaps> >> they were a sub group of the Scotch Church from 1814 onwards? >> >> tch! The longer I do this stuff the more I realise that there is SO> >> much I just have no idea about! >> >> >> Thanks >> >> -- >> Tickettyboo > Hello- I am also doing research that involves the "South Shields > Apsceate Church" and baptisms that took place there in the late 1790s- > early 1800s- I think more info is to be gleaned if you search for the > "Scotch Church" which is what I am going to do shortly. To be fair- > even though there is a "great big river" between N. and S. Shields- I > have just read that back then the river could be forded (crossed) at > low tide...don't know if that helps at all- 'just thought it was worth > a mention! Good luck with all your research- fascinating aint it?!!! > Jane See my other post(s) which confirm the word was mistranscribed in the NA description (now amended) and it actually says Associate. I'd be really interested to have the reference for where you read the Tyne could be 'forded' at Shields at low tide. I never discount anything, but am very surprised to hear that. -- Tickettyboo