Hi All Back in 2008, I asked about my grandmother's transatlantic journeys and received some wonderfully informative replies. http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/genbrit/2008-03/1206737483 I don't have the relevent subscriptions to pursue my next enquiry (though, of course I could go down to the local library). As maybe the problem is interesting, I'm going to try here first to see whether anyone wants to do some look ups. My late father, Basil Philip Harriman Dickinson, was in the fast track of the Civil Service in the 1940s. In 1946 he travelled with his minister, Alfred Barnes (Minister of Transport), to New York. My understanding is that this was something to do with the United Nations - Wiki comments: |Prior to the construction of the current complex, the UN was headquartered at a temporary location at the Sperry Corporation's offices in Lake Success, New York, an eastern suburb of the city in Nassau County on Long Island, from 1946 to 1952.[15] The Security Council also held sessions on what was then the Bronx campus of Hunter College (now the site of Lehman College) from March to August 1946| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headquarters_of_the_United_Nations His main story about the trip was to do with Molotov. I've already recited this in the earlier thread: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/genbrit/2008-04/1207174245 I hadn't thought about this since, but happened to be reminded today and did some index searching. Molotov is there: http://search.findmypast.co.uk/results/united-kingdom-records-in-travel-and-migration?lastname=molotov though his given name is provided as 'VIRCHESLAN' rather than 'Vyacheslav'. There are two Alfred Barnes' in the index for a 1946 New York voyage: Alfred H Barnes (born 1895) and Alfred R Barnes (born 1916). http://search.findmypast.co.uk/results/united-kingdom-records-in-travel-and-migration?firstname=alfred%20&firstname_variants=true&lastname=barnes&eventyear=1946&eventyear_offset=0 Wiki gives the minister's name as Alfred John Barnes, born 1887. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Barnes_(Labour_politician) There is no entry for my father under his first name, Basil, but there seems to be under his second, Philip. http://search.findmypast.co.uk/results/united-kingdom-records-in-travel-and-migration?firstname=philip&firstname_variants=true&lastname=dickinson&eventyear=1946&eventyear_offset=0 A problem is that he is stated as born in 1888, whereas he was born in 1916. Just the date given for Alfred R Barnes above. So it looks pretty obvious that the birth dates have been transposed between my father and his minister. It would be nice to see, though, whether this is a fault of the index, or of the original manifest. Anyone care to check? Thanks Chris

On 2015-01-12 14:03:37 +0000, Chris Dickinson said: > Hi All > > Back in 2008, I asked about my grandmother's transatlantic journeys and > received some wonderfully informative replies. > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/genbrit/2008-03/1206737483 > > > I don't have the relevent subscriptions to pursue my next enquiry > (though, of course I could go down to the local library). As maybe the > problem is interesting, I'm going to try here first to see whether > anyone wants to do some look ups. > > My late father, Basil Philip Harriman Dickinson, was in the fast track > of the Civil Service in the 1940s. In 1946 he travelled with his > minister, Alfred Barnes (Minister of Transport), to New York. My > understanding is that this was something to do with the United Nations > - Wiki comments: > > |Prior to the construction of the current complex, the UN was > headquartered at a temporary location at the Sperry Corporation's > offices in Lake Success, New York, an eastern suburb of the city in > Nassau County on Long Island, from 1946 to 1952.[15] The Security > Council also held sessions on what was then the Bronx campus of Hunter > College (now the site of Lehman College) from March to August 1946| > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headquarters_of_the_United_Nations > > His main story about the trip was to do with Molotov. I've already > recited this in the earlier thread: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/genbrit/2008-04/1207174245 > > I hadn't thought about this since, but happened to be reminded today > and did some index searching. Molotov is there: > > http://search.findmypast.co.uk/results/united-kingdom-records-in-travel-and-migration?lastname=molotov > > > though his given name is provided as 'VIRCHESLAN' rather than 'Vyacheslav'. > There are two Alfred Barnes' in the index for a 1946 New York voyage: > Alfred H Barnes (born 1895) and Alfred R Barnes (born 1916). > > http://search.findmypast.co.uk/results/united-kingdom-records-in-travel-and-migration?firstname=alfred%20&firstname_variants=true&lastname=barnes&eventyear=1946&eventyear_offset=0 > > > Wiki gives the minister's name as Alfred John Barnes, born 1887. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Barnes_(Labour_politician) > > There is no entry for my father under his first name, Basil, but there > seems to be under his second, Philip. > http://search.findmypast.co.uk/results/united-kingdom-records-in-travel-and-migration?firstname=philip&firstname_variants=true&lastname=dickinson&eventyear=1946&eventyear_offset=0 > > > A problem is that he is stated as born in 1888, whereas he was born in > 1916. Just the date given for Alfred R Barnes above. > > So it looks pretty obvious that the birth dates have been transposed > between my father and his minister. It would be nice to see, though, > whether this is a fault of the index, or of the original manifest. > Anyone care to check? > > Thanks > Chris The image from the link for Philip Dickinson doesn't seem likely, so I checked the Passenger Lists to NY via Ancestry 16th Oct 1946 S.S.Queen Elizabeth left Southampton and arrived NY 21 Oct 1946. Passenger (listed in the Diplomatic section) Basil Dickinson, age 30, Govt Official, British, born Seaford, living in London, n.o.k. wife: Mrs Beryl H Dickinson, 4 Dover Park Rd, London, last in U.S. (NY) 1936. Destination British Merchant Shipping Mission, Commerce Bld, Washington D.C., 5ft 10ins tall, fair complexion, brown hair, hazel eyes Does that sound like the right man? -- Tickettyboo

> The image from the link for Philip Dickinson doesn't seem likely, so I > checked the Passenger Lists to NY via Ancestry > 16th Oct 1946 S.S.Queen Elizabeth left Southampton and arrived NY 21 Oct 1946. > Passenger (listed in the Diplomatic section) Basil Dickinson, age 30, > Govt Official, British, born Seaford, living in London, n.o.k. wife: > Mrs Beryl H Dickinson, 4 Dover Park Rd, London, last in U.S. (NY) 1936. > Destination British Merchant Shipping Mission, Commerce Bld, Washington > D.C., 5ft 10ins tall, fair complexion, brown hair, hazel eyes > > Does that sound like the right man? Ah, thank you. Yes, that's the right man. Hmm, I wonder why then he didn't come up on the index I searched. Strange that Barnes isn't there - I could have sworn that he said he was travelling with him. Perhaps I got the wrong man and he was travelling with the permanent secretary, Cyril Hurcomb. Odd too, that, he was last in New York in 1936. One of his stories was that he had to leave ship (the 'New York') for family reasons when it stopped off at Biarritz. I suppose that he would still have been on the passenger list though, and maybe thus 'officially' arrived in New York. So annoying that I didn't pursue this while my father was still alive. Thanks again. Chris

On 2015-01-12 16:24:01 +0000, Tickettyboo said: > On 2015-01-12 14:03:37 +0000, Chris Dickinson said: > >> Hi All >> >> Back in 2008, I asked about my grandmother's transatlantic journeys and >> received some wonderfully informative replies. >> >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/genbrit/2008-03/1206737483 >> >> >> I don't have the relevent subscriptions to pursue my next enquiry >> (though, of course I could go down to the local library). As maybe the >> problem is interesting, I'm going to try here first to see whether >> anyone wants to do some look ups. >> >> My late father, Basil Philip Harriman Dickinson, was in the fast track >> of the Civil Service in the 1940s. In 1946 he travelled with his >> minister, Alfred Barnes (Minister of Transport), to New York. My >> understanding is that this was something to do with the United Nations >> - Wiki comments: >> >> |Prior to the construction of the current complex, the UN was >> headquartered at a temporary location at the Sperry Corporation's >> offices in Lake Success, New York, an eastern suburb of the city in >> Nassau County on Long Island, from 1946 to 1952.[15] The Security >> Council also held sessions on what was then the Bronx campus of Hunter >> College (now the site of Lehman College) from March to August 1946| >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headquarters_of_the_United_Nations >> >> His main story about the trip was to do with Molotov. I've already >> recited this in the earlier thread: >> >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/genbrit/2008-04/1207174245 >> >> I hadn't thought about this since, but happened to be reminded today >> and did some index searching. Molotov is there: >> >> http://search.findmypast.co.uk/results/united-kingdom-records-in-travel-and-migration?lastname=molotov >> >> >> though his given name is provided as 'VIRCHESLAN' rather than 'Vyacheslav'. >> There are two Alfred Barnes' in the index for a 1946 New York voyage: >> Alfred H Barnes (born 1895) and Alfred R Barnes (born 1916). >> >> http://search.findmypast.co.uk/results/united-kingdom-records-in-travel-and-migration?firstname=alfred%20&firstname_variants=true&lastname=barnes&eventyear=1946&eventyear_offset=0 >> >> >> Wiki gives the minister's name as Alfred John Barnes, born 1887. >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Barnes_(Labour_politician) >> >> There is no entry for my father under his first name, Basil, but there >> seems to be under his second, Philip. >> http://search.findmypast.co.uk/results/united-kingdom-records-in-travel-and-migration?firstname=philip&firstname_variants=true&lastname=dickinson&eventyear=1946&eventyear_offset=0 >> >> >> A problem is that he is stated as born in 1888, whereas he was born in >> 1916. Just the date given for Alfred R Barnes above. >> >> So it looks pretty obvious that the birth dates have been transposed >> between my father and his minister. It would be nice to see, though, >> whether this is a fault of the index, or of the original manifest. >> Anyone care to check? >> >> Thanks >> Chris > > The image from the link for Philip Dickinson doesn't seem likely, so I > checked the Passenger Lists to NY via Ancestry > 16th Oct 1946 S.S.Queen Elizabeth left Southampton and arrived NY 21 Oct 1946. > Passenger (listed in the Diplomatic section) Basil Dickinson, age 30, > Govt Official, British, born Seaford, living in London, n.o.k. wife: > Mrs Beryl H Dickinson, 4 Dover Park Rd, London, last in U.S. (NY) 1936. > Destination British Merchant Shipping Mission, Commerce Bld, Washington > D.C., 5ft 10ins tall, fair complexion, brown hair, hazel eyes > > Does that sound like the right man? Sorry, meant to say there wasn't a Barnes on the list. -- Tickettyboo