On 13/01/2015 22:13, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: > In message <[email protected]>, Graeme Wall > <[email protected]> writes: >> On 12/01/2015 17:59, Richard Smith wrote: > [] >>> Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you. Are you saying that you don't think >>> Churchyates means Church Street because of the spelling? If so, I >>> disagree. I grew up in a small village in the Yorkshire Moors -- >>> admittedly some distance northeast of Almondbury -- and the older >>> generation of locals sometimes used the word "gate" for a street. It >>> was always pronounced "yat", rhyming with "cat", but with a "y" sound >>> of "yes". The village of Chop Gate was the same: traditionally >>> pronounced something like chupyat. >>> >> >> Derived from the Viking word for a street. >> >> > Yes, certainly evident in the name of many streets in many northern > towns (e. g. Newcastle has several); it does _not_ relate to the modern > meaning of gate as a doorway/entrance, but the whole length is called > x-gate. (I'm not sure about "Newgate Street" - that may after all be > after a new gate, but could also just be a bit of tautology. Especially > as I've often heard it referred to without the "Street" part.) If you mean the one in London, I believe it is the exception, the Vikings didn't make it that far. -- Graeme Wall This account not read, substitute trains for rail. Railway Miscellany at <http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail>