On 15/11/2015 12:04, Ian Goddard wrote: > On 15/11/15 11:17, Chris Dickinson wrote: >> On Sunday, 15 November 2015 10:59:38 UTC, Ian Goddard wrote: >>> On 15/11/15 07:46, Chris Dickinson wrote: >>>> From an online index: >>>> >>>> 1670 >>>> >>>> "A note of the rent paid to Lord Wharton yearly by these undernamed >>>> Description for freelidge of Common on Whitimore called Dean and >>>> Ullock Common which rent is called "Moore Farine" or free Harnie for >>>> Whitmoore, 9 June 1670 [gives names of those paying rent]" >>>> >>>> >>>> Can anyone clarify? 'Freelidge of Common' is, I assume, a generic >>>> term for the rent paid to use the common. But the other two 'Moor >>>> Farine' and 'free Harnie'? Are they specifying local usage, and if >>>> so what? >>>> >>> >>> Farine suggests something to do with flour. Could it be an obligation >>> to use the manorial mill? Alternatively, as flour implies grain and >>> arable, could it be the right to graze the fields after harvest? >>> >>> -- >>> Hotmail is my spam bin. Real address is ianng >>> at austonley org uk >> >> Thanks, Ian. >> >> I hadn't thought of flour. I had wondered whether it might come from >> 'farrow', so permission to keep young animals (or just sows & piglets) >> there - which would fit in with your grazing thought. Or simply >> 'faring', like in seafaring, a right to travel across the moor. But I >> have no idea. > > One problem with this is how to read "moore". Is it more, moorland or > something else entirely? > > BTW I've recently bee reading A Social History of England 1200 - 1500, > Horrox & Ormrod Eds. IMV some of the chapters go way off-piste (e.g. A > magical universe). However, there are a couple of things relating to > previous threads here. One of them is that they have an assumption that > the population peaked in the early C14th prior to the 1315-22 famine and > never really started to recover until about 1500. The other, going back > to a still earlier thread, is some estimates of the speed of transport > and the answer, for a messenger able to command resources at state > level, is very fast indeed - a diplomat made London - Milan in 6 days. > Fresh horses every 20 miles, in a carriage you get Formula 1 style pit stops with a complete change of horses in 5 minutes or less. -- Graeme Wall This account not read, substitute trains for rail.