On 02/11/2015 04:54, Bob Campbell via wrote: > Do the transcripts for this survey indicate a year of death? > I do have an Alice Pike who has her birth year missing on the > transcript, but I already know this to be 1895 and have her listed with > Adelaide Wiltshire on the electoral roll for the same year, from a > search going back many years. > However I have over recent years failed to find Alice's death > registration. As these records were taken over by the NHS would these > also indicate a year of death? > cheers > Bob I wouldn't have thought so. ICBW but my impression is that you'll get the register entry as it was in 1939 for the people living at the time. If she died prior to that, she wouldn't be on it. If she died after that, her date of death wouldn't be known in 1939 unless the person compiling the record was clairvoyant. -- Cheers, Roger ____________ Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom checked.

On Mon, 02 Nov 2015 14:44:20 +0000, Roger Mills <watt.tyler@gmail.com> wrote: >On 02/11/2015 04:54, Bob Campbell via wrote: >> Do the transcripts for this survey indicate a year of death? >> I do have an Alice Pike who has her birth year missing on the >> transcript, but I already know this to be 1895 and have her listed with >> Adelaide Wiltshire on the electoral roll for the same year, from a >> search going back many years. >> However I have over recent years failed to find Alice's death >> registration. As these records were taken over by the NHS would these >> also indicate a year of death? > IMU all the NHS systems "took over" in effect was the list of names and ID card numbers card from the National Registration system to enable the initial allocation of NHS numbers. The original records would then have served no more purpose unless there was some reason for reverifying a person. Subsequent NHS numbers in England were based on birth registration records, the register entry number becoming the numerical part of the NHS number. > >I wouldn't have thought so. ICBW but my impression is that you'll get >the register entry as it was in 1939 for the people living at the time. >If she died prior to that, she wouldn't be on it. If she died after >that, her date of death wouldn't be known in 1939 unless the person >compiling the record was clairvoyant.

Roger, I was maybe assuming. wrongly it seems, as these 1939 records were used by the NHS post WW2 perhaps the death record (date) of those on it would be added shortly afterwards, so that the person no longer received the state pension, WW2 ration books, NHS registration etc. If these registration records were not regularly updated, then there may be duplicate set(s), painstakingly copied and based on these from 1939, which were updated and would be held by whom or where? For future purposes I guess the reference number at the base of the preview transcription, may be very important, should further and similar databases and transcriptions be published?? This could be very handy when attempting to find the correct death registration for a very common surname after 1939. Regarding the other 1939 query, if you read the info on Findmypast.com whether or not a person is closed or not on the transcription/image is automatically opened on the 100 year anniversary of their birth, in my case parents born 1927/1928 won't be seen till 2027/2028, unless I come up with a copy of their respective death certificates, I doubt if I will be around to see it! Cheers from Bob From: Roger Mills Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 12:44 AM To: genbrit@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: 1939 survey includes date of death? Alice PIKE at Edmonton On 02/11/2015 04:54, Bob Campbell via wrote: > Do the transcripts for this survey indicate a year of death? > I do have an Alice Pike who has her birth year missing on the > transcript, but I already know this to be 1895 and have her listed with > Adelaide Wiltshire on the electoral roll for the same year, from a > search going back many years. > However I have over recent years failed to find Alice's death > registration. As these records were taken over by the NHS would these > also indicate a year of death? > cheers > Bob I wouldn't have thought so. ICBW but my impression is that you'll get the register entry as it was in 1939 for the people living at the time. If she died prior to that, she wouldn't be on it. If she died after that, her date of death wouldn't be known in 1939 unless the person compiling the record was clairvoyant. -- Cheers, Roger

On 02/11/2015 14:44, Roger Mills via wrote: > On 02/11/2015 04:54, Bob Campbell via wrote: >> Do the transcripts for this survey indicate a year of death? >> I do have an Alice Pike who has her birth year missing on the >> transcript, but I already know this to be 1895 and have her listed with >> Adelaide Wiltshire on the electoral roll for the same year, from a >> search going back many years. >> However I have over recent years failed to find Alice's death >> registration. As these records were taken over by the NHS would these >> also indicate a year of death? >> cheers >> Bob > I wouldn't have thought so. ICBW but my impression is that you'll get > the register entry as it was in 1939 for the people living at the time. > If she died prior to that, she wouldn't be on it. If she died after > that, her date of death wouldn't be known in 1939 unless the person > compiling the record was clairvoyant. A very few entries do have the date of death but not very many. Apparently on the second page (not available to the public) entries were marked with the letter D if the person was deceased, this was made available to FMP to open entries which otherwise would be redacted. Cheers Guy