On 15/11/15 07:46, Chris Dickinson wrote: > From an online index: > > 1670 > > "A note of the rent paid to Lord Wharton yearly by these undernamed > Description for freelidge of Common on Whitimore called Dean and Ullock Common which rent is called "Moore Farine" or free Harnie for Whitmoore, 9 June 1670 [gives names of those paying rent]" > > > Can anyone clarify? 'Freelidge of Common' is, I assume, a generic term for the rent paid to use the common. But the other two 'Moor Farine' and 'free Harnie'? Are they specifying local usage, and if so what? > Farine suggests something to do with flour. Could it be an obligation to use the manorial mill? Alternatively, as flour implies grain and arable, could it be the right to graze the fields after harvest? -- Hotmail is my spam bin. Real address is ianng at austonley org uk

On Sunday, 15 November 2015 10:59:38 UTC, Ian Goddard wrote: > On 15/11/15 07:46, Chris Dickinson wrote: > > From an online index: > > > > 1670 > > > > "A note of the rent paid to Lord Wharton yearly by these undernamed > > Description for freelidge of Common on Whitimore called Dean and Ullock Common which rent is called "Moore Farine" or free Harnie for Whitmoore, 9 June 1670 [gives names of those paying rent]" > > > > > > Can anyone clarify? 'Freelidge of Common' is, I assume, a generic term for the rent paid to use the common. But the other two 'Moor Farine' and 'free Harnie'? Are they specifying local usage, and if so what? > > > > Farine suggests something to do with flour. Could it be an obligation > to use the manorial mill? Alternatively, as flour implies grain and > arable, could it be the right to graze the fields after harvest? > > -- > Hotmail is my spam bin. Real address is ianng > at austonley org uk Thanks, Ian. I hadn't thought of flour. I had wondered whether it might come from 'farrow', so permission to keep young animals (or just sows & piglets) there - which would fit in with your grazing thought. Or simply 'faring', like in seafaring, a right to travel across the moor. But I have no idea. Chris

On 15/11/15 11:17, Chris Dickinson wrote: > On Sunday, 15 November 2015 10:59:38 UTC, Ian Goddard wrote: >> On 15/11/15 07:46, Chris Dickinson wrote: >>> From an online index: >>> >>> 1670 >>> >>> "A note of the rent paid to Lord Wharton yearly by these undernamed >>> Description for freelidge of Common on Whitimore called Dean and Ullock Common which rent is called "Moore Farine" or free Harnie for Whitmoore, 9 June 1670 [gives names of those paying rent]" >>> >>> >>> Can anyone clarify? 'Freelidge of Common' is, I assume, a generic term for the rent paid to use the common. But the other two 'Moor Farine' and 'free Harnie'? Are they specifying local usage, and if so what? >>> >> >> Farine suggests something to do with flour. Could it be an obligation >> to use the manorial mill? Alternatively, as flour implies grain and >> arable, could it be the right to graze the fields after harvest? >> >> -- >> Hotmail is my spam bin. Real address is ianng >> at austonley org uk > > Thanks, Ian. > > I hadn't thought of flour. I had wondered whether it might come from 'farrow', so permission to keep young animals (or just sows & piglets) there - which would fit in with your grazing thought. Or simply 'faring', like in seafaring, a right to travel across the moor. But I have no idea. One problem with this is how to read "moore". Is it more, moorland or something else entirely? BTW I've recently bee reading A Social History of England 1200 - 1500, Horrox & Ormrod Eds. IMV some of the chapters go way off-piste (e.g. A magical universe). However, there are a couple of things relating to previous threads here. One of them is that they have an assumption that the population peaked in the early C14th prior to the 1315-22 famine and never really started to recover until about 1500. The other, going back to a still earlier thread, is some estimates of the speed of transport and the answer, for a messenger able to command resources at state level, is very fast indeed - a diplomat made London - Milan in 6 days. Ian -- Hotmail is my spam bin. Real address is ianng at austonley org uk