On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 12:06:58 -0000, "Gordon" <gordonwb@argonet.co.uk> wrote: >"cecilia" wrote in message >news:qc2j5bda522guuli1fne3dqorj9t5bkv8s@4ax.com... >> >>On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 22:34:09 +0000, Charles Ellson <ce11son@yahoo.ca> >>wrote: >> >>> Cremated remains are not a "body" and there are for >>>most practical purposes no special restrictions on their disposal. >> >>Until one gets down to the final actions, e.g. >> >>cemeteries have found that roses don't do well with an excess of ash, >>so control locations of scattering; >> >>in CoE (at least) consecrated ground, ashes should not be scattered, >>but buried. The minister should be involved; >> >>a "favorite location" is usually owned by some body who may not take >>kindly to having ash scattered, or holes dug; >> >>if disposal is to be in a churchyard, cemetery etc, the crematorium >>issues a piece of paper to give to the person in charge of the site. >>This is usually dealt with by the undertaker, if still involved in >>what is happening. > >Having "disposed" of cremated remains I know what is involved in the UK. It >is illegal to scatter ashes any where you like. To scatter ashes you must >have the land owners permission otherwise you could be prosecuted for >illegal disposal of human remains, > Not so, ashes are not human bodies or organic material and not specifically "human remains" in most contexts involving possession by those other than undertakers, cemeteries or museums. What you could possibly get prosecuted for is illegal dumping but you would probably really need to annoy the prosecutors for that. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/6529215.stm There also seems to be common confusion of restrictions on ashes which have been buried in consecrated ground and ashes buried elsewhere. In the former case it would seem in practice to be the disturbance of the burial ground which requires permission rather than the movement of the ashes. >I'm not sure about scattering at sea >which is a different case. Burial in a cemetery is no problem but there is a >charge which the cemetery will tell you. Inside the urn the crematorium >places a piece of paper telling you what you can or cannot do with the >ashes. We buried our friend's ashes in a family grave which we had to pay to >have "opened". > >Transporting a body from one place to another can be expensive as you have >to pay each local authority whose area you pass through so most people will >choose to bury where the person died. > ITYF that's an urban legend. "Hospital and hospice staff have, frequently asserted that county boundary fees have to be paid when crossing boundaries with bodies. There are no such fees. In recent times, some have insisted that undertakers have listed county boundary fees in their bills, but no evidence has ever been produced!" http://evansaboveonline.co.uk/after-death/transporting-the-body/ (which credits the Alice Barker Trust as a source - "Our main function is to help with dying and bereavement, particularly sound advice on Law."[http://www.yor-ok.org.uk/service-detail.htm?serviceid=2719]) What is restricted is the movement of a body out of England and Wales without a Coroner's permission even if the Coroner has otherwise taken no interest in the body. >There is no cost to carry ashes across the country. > >Flying a body requires a specially sealed coffin regardless of any embalming >procedures carried out. > Not for my mother it didn't, ITYF the sealed coffin is a requirement if flown on a passenger aircraft and then maybe only because of the requirements in the receiving country and/or the airline. Even the bodies of persons entering/leaving the UK who have died of particular diseases have only the restriction that the coffin must not be opened without the permission of the Port/Airport Medical Officer or the local Medical Officer of Health :- http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/inchpmanual/inchp06550.htm >People do scatter ashes without permission but they risk prosecution if >caught. > >Gordon

" Charles Ellson" wrote in message news:ahhk5bdte45s2reei3bho3759cdds2mejf@4ax.com... > >Not for my mother it didn't, ITYF the sealed coffin is a requirement >if flown on a passenger aircraft and then maybe only because of the >requirements in the receiving country and/or the airline. Even the >bodies of persons entering/leaving the UK who have died of particular >diseases have only the restriction that the coffin must not be opened >without the permission of the Port/Airport Medical Officer or the >local Medical Officer of Health :- >http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/inchpmanual/inchp06550.htm > The airline I worked for did carry bodies in the freight bay of passenger aircraft. The "sealing" would be to prevent leakage (however unlikely) of decay fluids which would prove corrosive to the aircraft structure plus the obvious unpleasant side. The seal could be an external plastic sheet which would be removed before the coffin is returned to relatives. The coffin would also be wrapped to protect it from damage. Gordon

On Sun, 29 Nov 2015 10:55:34 -0000, "Gordon" <gordonwb@argonet.co.uk> wrote: >" Charles Ellson" wrote in message >news:ahhk5bdte45s2reei3bho3759cdds2mejf@4ax.com... >> >>Not for my mother it didn't, ITYF the sealed coffin is a requirement >>if flown on a passenger aircraft and then maybe only because of the >>requirements in the receiving country and/or the airline. Even the >>bodies of persons entering/leaving the UK who have died of particular >>diseases have only the restriction that the coffin must not be opened >>without the permission of the Port/Airport Medical Officer or the >>local Medical Officer of Health :- >>http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/inchpmanual/inchp06550.htm >> >The airline I worked for did carry bodies in the freight bay of passenger >aircraft. The "sealing" would be to prevent leakage (however unlikely) of >decay fluids which would prove corrosive to the aircraft structure plus the >obvious unpleasant side. The seal could be an external plastic sheet which >would be removed before the coffin is returned to relatives. The coffin >would also be wrapped to protect it from damage. > With modern materials that is now probably sufficient for the majority of cases. As can be seen on various television series dealing with undertakers, some countries require what is effectively either a hermetically sealed inner liner or a temporary coffin/container of similar character.