Guy, you wrote :- 1) " Yes I downloaded the entry that I requested from the NHS in 2008 both the NHS transcript and the Digital image from FMP is now online at *http://tinyurl.com/yamy9hb* Scroll to the bottom of the page for the household image Cheers Guy" 2) " A very few entries do have the date of death but not very many. Apparently on the second page (not available to the public) entries were marked with the letter D if the person was deceased, this was made available to FMP to open entries which otherwise would be redacted. Cheers Guy" 3) " The NHS used this register until 1991 and updated it as time went on. That is why those people who died between 1939 and 1991 should be open, but as with anything to do with the NHS mistakes can and are made. Updates include change of name on marriage (or other reasons) Those of you who have looked on my website (I gave the url earlier may have noticed that the NHS provided details for Nellie Hitcox,**Female, age23,Housemaid who was single, however she is redacted on the FMP image. Cheers Guy" Will we ever discover why in their "wisdom" FMP did not release to the public the page on the rhs which would contain the useful information that a person listed was deceased by the year 1991? Logic tells me if this was okay to be released by the NHS to you in 2008 why is this now a problem 7 years later? The second page as well as possibly noting the person was "D" for deceased also contains very useful golden gems for Gene researchers such as:- a person was in the ARP, was a SRN, an alternate name, later marriage in different ink and noting a date?, or someone having been called up etc. It is a great pity FMP didn't see the advantage in including this side of the image, which would have made the high cost in credits much more worthwhile. On the page image there are 5 "redacted" persons, if the FMP went to the trouble of masking these individuals couldn't they at the same time not read across the lines to see if indeed they had a "D" opposite? From the FMP promotional video it seems they had access to the full book, so why wasn't a second image taken of the rhs while it was set up? Check the video to see if they indeed photograph the "whole 2 pages? I assume it is fairly simple exercise for FMP to revisit these images and remove the masks, which appear on the image to extend across both pages! Guy have you seen a full rhs page image of the register, even a blank one, which would indicate any additional columns beyond number 11 "instructions"? And under what instructions would the enumerator be under? Any advice on the contents of column 5, ie O, V, S, P and I and their respective meanings? "P" possibly means Pensioner but what of the rest? I can see the need for security and keeping the information on the rh page from the public in 1939 and a time when the Nation was at war but now 75 years later what security risks would there be now ? Lastly as someone who just a few days prior to the release of the 1939 register renewed my subscription to FMP , I feel somewhat cheated by the fact I was not informed a sub would not include access to these images, reinforced by the fact that FMP left it to the last few days only to reveal the true cost of access. The costs SHOULD have been released at the same time that FMP started spruiking about it's pending release over a month ago, which WOULD have influenced many decisions to renew the sub. My gut feeling that FMP will do their dough on this project, as not only the high costs, but for information we most commonly already know due the digitising of Electoral Rolls which is available from FMP under subscription. Cheers from Bob

On 04/11/2015 02:06, Bob Campbell via wrote: > Guy, you wrote :- > > 1) " > Yes I downloaded the entry that I requested from the NHS in 2008 both > the NHS transcript and the Digital image from FMP is now online at > *http://tinyurl.com/yamy9hb* > Scroll to the bottom of the page for the household image > Cheers > Guy" > 2) > " > A very few entries do have the date of death but not very many. > Apparently on the second page (not available to the public) entries were > marked with the letter D if the person was deceased, this was made > available to FMP to open entries which otherwise would be redacted. > Cheers > Guy" > 3) > " > The NHS used this register until 1991 and updated it as time went on. > That is why those people who died between 1939 and 1991 should be open, > but as with anything to do with the NHS mistakes can and are made. > Updates include change of name on marriage (or other reasons) > > Those of you who have looked on my website (I gave the url earlier may > have noticed that the NHS provided details for Nellie Hitcox,**Female, > age23,Housemaid who was single, however she is redacted on the FMP image. > Cheers > Guy" > > Will we ever discover why in their "wisdom" FMP did not release to the > public the page on the rhs which would contain the useful information that a > person listed was deceased by the year 1991? > Logic tells me if this was okay to be released by the NHS to you in 2008 why > is this now a problem 7 years later? > The second page as well as possibly noting the person was "D" for deceased > also contains very useful golden gems for Gene researchers such as:- > a person was in the ARP, was a SRN, an alternate name, later marriage in > different ink and noting a date?, or someone having been called up etc. It > is a great pity FMP didn't see the advantage in including this side of the > image, which would have made the high cost in credits much more worthwhile. > On the page image there are 5 "redacted" persons, if the FMP went to the > trouble of masking these individuals couldn't they at the same time not read > across the lines to see if indeed they had a "D" opposite? From the FMP > promotional video it seems they had access to the full book, so why wasn't a > second image taken of the rhs while it was set up? Check the video to see if > they indeed photograph the "whole 2 pages? > I assume it is fairly simple exercise for FMP to revisit these images and > remove the masks, which appear on the image to extend across both pages! > Guy have you seen a full rhs page image of the register, even a blank one, > which would indicate any additional columns beyond number 11 "instructions"? > And under what instructions would the enumerator be under? > Any advice on the contents of column 5, ie O, V, S, P and I and their > respective meanings? "P" possibly means Pensioner but what of the rest? > I can see the need for security and keeping the information on the rh page > from the public in 1939 and a time when the Nation was at war but now 75 > years later what security risks would there be now ? > Lastly as someone who just a few days prior to the release of the 1939 > register renewed my subscription to FMP , I feel somewhat cheated by the > fact I was not informed a sub would not include access to these images, > reinforced by the fact that FMP left it to the last few days only to reveal > the true cost of access. The costs SHOULD have been released at the same > time that FMP started spruiking about it's pending release over a month ago, > which WOULD have influenced many decisions to renew the sub. > My gut feeling that FMP will do their dough on this project, as not only the > high costs, but for information we most commonly already know due the > digitising of Electoral Rolls which is available from FMP under > subscription. > > > Cheers from > Bob > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENBRIT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Easy bit first O,V,S,P,I, these refer to "households" such as nursing homes and similar institutions. O: Officer (Matron, Cook/Housekeeper, Clerk in Holy Orders etc.) V: Visitor S: Servant (this includes staff such as nurses, porters, housemaid, parlour maid, etc) P: Patient I: Inmate My understanding is they were not allowed to scan the right hand page as it contained private medical information, no I have note seen a right hand page. There are 61 pages about the 939 Registration on http://tinyurl.com/obmoky3 including blank schedules but none of the actual register pages that have now been scanned Cheers Guy