On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 20:11:55 +0000, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote: >On 26/10/2015 18:35, Charles Ellson wrote: >> On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 17:40:24 +0000, Graeme Wall >> <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote: >> >>> On 26/10/2015 16:52, Charles Ellson wrote: >>>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 07:53:48 +0000, Graeme Wall >>>> <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 26/10/2015 00:48, Steve Hayes wrote: >>>>>> On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 22:03:56 +0000, Graeme Wall >>>>>> <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 25/10/2015 20:40, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: >>>>>>>> In message <05c33620-c70a-4959-8a66-5dddf30c1c83@googlegroups.com>, >>>>>>>> melanie chesnel <mellychesnel@gmail.com> writes: >>>>>>>>> On Saturday, October 24, 2015 at 9:05:20 AM UTC+2, J. P. Gilliver >>>>>>>>> (John) wrote: >>>>>>>> [] >>>>>>>>>> In my own researches, I had assumed the coming of the railways in the >>>>>>>>>> mid to late 19C would have led to much greater migration around the >>>>>>>>>> country; however, I've found the effect was much less than I'd expected. >>>>>>>>>> Still, when doing research for work colleagues (at Rochester in Kent), I >>>>>>>>>> find quite a lot of them are from local areas. >>>>>>>> [] >>>>>>>>> I think even before the railways there was quite a lot of movement >>>>>>>>> over long distances in some families and notably mine. Both my >>>>>>>>> mother's and >>>>>>>> [] >>>>>>>>> This shows you can take nothing for granted about the movement of >>>>>>>>> people in the past. Each family is different and some were very >>>>>>>>> mobile, particularly mariners and artisans. Just think stone masons >>>>>>>>> building castles and cathederals v. ag labs >>>>>>>>> regards melanie chesnel >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Well, obviously I can only speak from my own researches - which are >>>>>>>> that, in an awful lot of cases, people didn't move much during their >>>>>>>> lifetime - even after the railways, and even in towns. Not just my own >>>>>>>> family (which is diverse - but comes from a lot of little clusters who >>>>>>>> mostly didn't move much), but research I've done for others too. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Occasionally you (I) _do_ find someone who's moved a long way; but, I've >>>>>>>> generally found them the exception. YMMV (well, clearly does). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Teachers and Churchmen! One of my wife's gg-grandfathers was both and, >>>>>>> as a National School teacher he moved from Abergavenny to Manchester via >>>>>>> Staffordshire, then remustered as a vicar and successively was in >>>>>>> Dumbarton, a Devonshire village, Oban, Aberdeen and finally died in >>>>>>> Guildford. >>>>>> >>>>>> One of my most puzzling ones was a gg grandfather, whose family came >>>>>> from the Isle of Axholme. He lived in Hull, got married in Bath, and >>>>>> Came to Natal within a month of getting married. I wondered how he >>>>>> came to meet his wife, as Hull and Bath seem quite far apart. The Bath >>>>>> family were from Belfast, and seem to have been from quite settled >>>>>> farmers in Ballynure before the 19th century, when they scattered to >>>>>> Quebec, Mauritius, Bath and Durban. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The teacher/vicar still puzzles me about how he met his wife, he was >>>>> born in Hathern, Leics. She was born in Wrexham. He was a teacher in >>>>> Abergavenny and she was a teacher in Cardigan, right the other side of >>>>> Wales. >>>>> >>>> Do you know the in-laws' whereabouts at the relative times ? >>>> >>> >>> Hathern and Wrexham respectively! My theory is they met wherever they >>> did their training but I've no idea where that was likely to have been. >>> A bit like modern couples meeting at Uni. >>> >> My father and his first wife were brought up in Willesden but AFAIAA >> met during teacher training in Exeter. >> > >Supports my theory. > >Where would National School teachers do their training around 1850? > http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/teacher-training/ mentions "Training schools and colleges (also called ‘normal schools’). Initially started by the charities the British Society and the National Society in the early 19th century to train teachers in their elementary schools", pupil-teacher training from 1846 and - "These [normal schools and training colleges] were residential colleges run by voluntary societies with some government subsidy. Training colleges were first set up in the early 19th century and many came to be modelled on Battersea Normal School, established in 1841." It doesn't seem to have any direct references to the National Society. Googling for 19th century teacher training seems to throw up a few choices References to The National Society seem to be to the National Society for Promoting Religious Education [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_school_%28England_and_Wales%29] which leads to [http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/rd/N13569138] - ("records, incl those of schools under its jurisdiction and committee minute books 1811-1960" held by the Church of England Record Centre). The society also has records held at Northamptonshire Record Office (and other CROs ?) - http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/c/F124253 This also comes up :- Distinctive and inclusive : the National Society and Church of England schools, 1811-2011 / Lois Loudon. [http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/190035373?q&versionId=206897305] 98pp pub 2012 Online copy :- https://www.churchofengland.org/media/1855527/distinctive%20and%20inclusive%20-%20the%20national%20society%20and%20church%20of%20england%20schools%201811%20-%202011.pdf [http://tinyurl.com/ojmrtks] although it doesn't seem to produce any immediately/directly useful references but has got a books and articles reference list at the end.

On 27/10/2015 01:21, Charles Ellson wrote: > http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/teacher-training/ > mentions > "Training schools and colleges (also called ‘normal schools’). > Initially started by the charities the British Society and the > National Society in the early 19th century to train teachers in their > elementary schools", > pupil-teacher training from 1846 and - > "These [normal schools and training colleges] were residential > colleges run by voluntary societies with some government subsidy. > Training colleges were first set up in the early 19th century and many > came to be modelled on Battersea Normal School, established in 1841." > > It doesn't seem to have any direct references to the National Society. > Googling for > > 19th century teacher training > > seems to throw up a few choices > > References to The National Society seem to be to the National Society > for Promoting Religious Education > [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_school_%28England_and_Wales%29] > which leads to > [http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/rd/N13569138] - > ("records, incl those of schools under its jurisdiction and committee > minute books 1811-1960" held by the Church of England Record Centre). > The society also has records held at Northamptonshire Record Office > (and other CROs ?) - > http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/c/F124253 > > This also comes up :- > Distinctive and inclusive : the National Society and Church of England > schools, 1811-2011 / Lois Loudon. > [http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/190035373?q&versionId=206897305] > 98pp pub 2012 > Online copy :- > https://www.churchofengland.org/media/1855527/distinctive%20and%20inclusive%20-%20the%20national%20society%20and%20church%20of%20england%20schools%201811%20-%202011.pdf > [http://tinyurl.com/ojmrtks] > although it doesn't seem to produce any immediately/directly useful > references but has got a books and articles reference list at the end. Thanks Charles, I'll get some reading done! -- Graeme Wall This account not read, substitute trains for rail.