On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 1:35:50 AM UTC+1, Tickettyboo wrote: > On 2015-10-28 16:49:52 +0000, Tony Proctor said: > > > "Tim Powys-Lybbe" <tim@powys.org> wrote in message > > news:d9c6ebFnfjoU1@mid.individual.net... > >> On 27/10/2015 4:02 p.m., Anne Sherman wrote: > >>> Find My Past have just announced that the 1939 register will be > >>> available on from Monday 2nd November 2015. > >>> > >>> Records will be available to purchase for £6.95 per household, or > >>> £24.95 for a 5 household bundle (£4.99 per household). It seems a bit > >>> pricey but they did put a lot of work into it. > >>> > >>> Findmypast subscribers will be entitled to a discount. > >> > >> I was wondering about that discount but did not see anything on the > >> announcement I received from FMP. > >> > >> FindMypast also got the 1911 census contract and set up a company to > >> market and charge for this. The charges were on a piece basis with > >> various discounts for quantity. > >> > >> I think that 1911-only site is only now being wound up. But very soon > >> FMP added 1911 census access to their normal subscriptions, as have > >> other genealogy data providers. > >> > >> What I wonder is how long it will be before FMP add the 1939 exercise > >> to their normal FMP data subscription. As a potential customer of that > >> data, I am happy not to buy access in a piecemeal fashion and await the > >> merge into the full subscription. > >> > >> Who knows any more? > >> > >> -- > >> Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org > >> for a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/ > > > > I don't think there has been, or will be, any statement on that last > > part yet Tim. I have seen mentions of 10% discount in the UK (whoopee!) > > and 25% in AU. Chris Paton published a more recent PR from findmypast, > > at > > http://britishgenes.blogspot.ie/2015/10/english-and-welsh-1939-national.html, > > which suggests the registers will be "searchable", but you pay-per-view > > to "see the records". I'm especially interested in what the > > search-results will actually contain. It has to be sufficient to ensure > > you have the right household (in an ideal world) but less than the full > > details. > > > > Tony Proctor > > As for the discount, I now have three emails.The first gave me the > release date and said that as a subscriber (Britain only) I would be > getting a discount of 25% on a bundle. > > That has been followed by a mail giving me a personal code, can only be > used once, to buy 300 credits, enough for a bundle of 5 households, in > advance of the release at a 25% discount. I've now done that and the > 300 credits are showing in my subscriptions page and the cost was £18.71 > > The 3rd mail says I have a personal code to buy 300 credits at a 10% > discount. I'll see what results I'll get with my first 300 credits > before deciding whether or not to go ahead and attempt to use the > second code. Not sure yet but I may well just try for the 5 households > and be content with that until such time as the database is included in > a sub. > > I'll be interested to see how out of date the 'redaction' for people > who are still alive (? but under 100 years old) is. I have one family > where all the members likely to be listed have all since died, but the > last one to die was in May this year. I get the feeling her details > won't show up. > I will also be looking for a friend's Mum - who is a sprightly 104, > she'll be tickled pink if her record is on there :-) > -- > Tickettyboo just a thought about financing the work done by FMP. When the original census records were put on line lots of people could search for many ancestors going back several generations and therefore buying lots of credits which made buying a sub very economical. When the 1911 census was published, because it was the most recent, covering my great grandparents and grandparents generation, there were fewer ancestors I were looking for in the records so If I had bought credits (which I didn't - I waited till they were on my Ancestry sub) I would have needed far fewer to view all the pages for my ancestors. This 'census' covers my parents and grand parents and so I only need to look at 2 households, so why by credits for a bundle of 5? I'm not sure FMP are going to make lots of money on this or even cover their costs regards melanie

On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 7:17:46 AM UTC+1, melanie chesnel wrote: > On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 1:35:50 AM UTC+1, Tickettyboo wrote: > > On 2015-10-28 16:49:52 +0000, Tony Proctor said: > > > > > "Tim Powys-Lybbe" <tim@powys.org> wrote in message > > > news:d9c6ebFnfjoU1@mid.individual.net... > > >> On 27/10/2015 4:02 p.m., Anne Sherman wrote: > > >>> Find My Past have just announced that the 1939 register will be > > >>> available on from Monday 2nd November 2015. > > >>> > > >>> Records will be available to purchase for £6.95 per household, or > > >>> £24.95 for a 5 household bundle (£4.99 per household). It seems a bit > > >>> pricey but they did put a lot of work into it. > > >>> > > >>> Findmypast subscribers will be entitled to a discount. > > >> > > >> I was wondering about that discount but did not see anything on the > > >> announcement I received from FMP. > > >> > > >> FindMypast also got the 1911 census contract and set up a company to > > >> market and charge for this. The charges were on a piece basis with > > >> various discounts for quantity. > > >> > > >> I think that 1911-only site is only now being wound up. But very soon > > >> FMP added 1911 census access to their normal subscriptions, as have > > >> other genealogy data providers. > > >> > > >> What I wonder is how long it will be before FMP add the 1939 exercise > > >> to their normal FMP data subscription. As a potential customer of that > > >> data, I am happy not to buy access in a piecemeal fashion and await the > > >> merge into the full subscription. > > >> > > >> Who knows any more? > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org > > >> for a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/ > > > > > > I don't think there has been, or will be, any statement on that last > > > part yet Tim. I have seen mentions of 10% discount in the UK (whoopee!) > > > and 25% in AU. Chris Paton published a more recent PR from findmypast, > > > at > > > http://britishgenes.blogspot.ie/2015/10/english-and-welsh-1939-national.html, > > > which suggests the registers will be "searchable", but you pay-per-view > > > to "see the records". I'm especially interested in what the > > > search-results will actually contain. It has to be sufficient to ensure > > > you have the right household (in an ideal world) but less than the full > > > details. > > > > > > Tony Proctor > > > > As for the discount, I now have three emails.The first gave me the > > release date and said that as a subscriber (Britain only) I would be > > getting a discount of 25% on a bundle. > > > > That has been followed by a mail giving me a personal code, can only be > > used once, to buy 300 credits, enough for a bundle of 5 households, in > > advance of the release at a 25% discount. I've now done that and the > > 300 credits are showing in my subscriptions page and the cost was £18.71 > > > > The 3rd mail says I have a personal code to buy 300 credits at a 10% > > discount. I'll see what results I'll get with my first 300 credits > > before deciding whether or not to go ahead and attempt to use the > > second code. Not sure yet but I may well just try for the 5 households > > and be content with that until such time as the database is included in > > a sub. > > > > I'll be interested to see how out of date the 'redaction' for people > > who are still alive (? but under 100 years old) is. I have one family > > where all the members likely to be listed have all since died, but the > > last one to die was in May this year. I get the feeling her details > > won't show up. > > I will also be looking for a friend's Mum - who is a sprightly 104, > > she'll be tickled pink if her record is on there :-) > > -- > > Tickettyboo > > just a thought about financing the work done by FMP. When the original census records were put on line lots of people could search for many ancestors going back several generations and therefore buying lots of credits which made buying a sub very economical. When the 1911 census was published, because it was the most recent, covering my great grandparents and grandparents generation, there were fewer ancestors I were looking for in the records so If I had bought credits (which I didn't - I waited till they were on my Ancestry sub) I would have needed far fewer to view all the pages for my ancestors. This 'census' covers my parents and grand parents and so I only need to look at 2 households, so why by credits for a bundle of 5? I'm not sure FMP are going to make lots of money on this or even cover their costs > regards melanie that is obviously buy not by - this keyboard is useless, when I type quickly some letters don't register despite me touching them!! That's my excuse and I am sticking to it regards melanie

"melanie chesnel" <mellychesnel@gmail.com> wrote in message news:fc0e8fb8-8466-4453-a2fe-a474f39d5d80@googlegroups.com... On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 1:35:50 AM UTC+1, Tickettyboo wrote: > On 2015-10-28 16:49:52 +0000, Tony Proctor said: > > > "Tim Powys-Lybbe" <tim@powys.org> wrote in message > > news:d9c6ebFnfjoU1@mid.individual.net... > >> On 27/10/2015 4:02 p.m., Anne Sherman wrote: > >>> Find My Past have just announced that the 1939 register will be > >>> available on from Monday 2nd November 2015. > >>> > >>> Records will be available to purchase for £6.95 per household, or > >>> £24.95 for a 5 household bundle (£4.99 per household). It seems a bit > >>> pricey but they did put a lot of work into it. > >>> > >>> Findmypast subscribers will be entitled to a discount. > >> > >> I was wondering about that discount but did not see anything on the > >> announcement I received from FMP. > >> > >> FindMypast also got the 1911 census contract and set up a company to > >> market and charge for this. The charges were on a piece basis with > >> various discounts for quantity. > >> > >> I think that 1911-only site is only now being wound up. But very soon > >> FMP added 1911 census access to their normal subscriptions, as have > >> other genealogy data providers. > >> > >> What I wonder is how long it will be before FMP add the 1939 exercise > >> to their normal FMP data subscription. As a potential customer of that > >> data, I am happy not to buy access in a piecemeal fashion and await the > >> merge into the full subscription. > >> > >> Who knows any more? > >> > >> -- > >> Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org > >> for a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/ > > > > I don't think there has been, or will be, any statement on that last > > part yet Tim. I have seen mentions of 10% discount in the UK (whoopee!) > > and 25% in AU. Chris Paton published a more recent PR from findmypast, > > at > > http://britishgenes.blogspot.ie/2015/10/english-and-welsh-1939-national.html, > > which suggests the registers will be "searchable", but you pay-per-view > > to "see the records". I'm especially interested in what the > > search-results will actually contain. It has to be sufficient to ensure > > you have the right household (in an ideal world) but less than the full > > details. > > > > Tony Proctor > > As for the discount, I now have three emails.The first gave me the > release date and said that as a subscriber (Britain only) I would be > getting a discount of 25% on a bundle. > > That has been followed by a mail giving me a personal code, can only be > used once, to buy 300 credits, enough for a bundle of 5 households, in > advance of the release at a 25% discount. I've now done that and the > 300 credits are showing in my subscriptions page and the cost was £18.71 > > The 3rd mail says I have a personal code to buy 300 credits at a 10% > discount. I'll see what results I'll get with my first 300 credits > before deciding whether or not to go ahead and attempt to use the > second code. Not sure yet but I may well just try for the 5 households > and be content with that until such time as the database is included in > a sub. > > I'll be interested to see how out of date the 'redaction' for people > who are still alive (? but under 100 years old) is. I have one family > where all the members likely to be listed have all since died, but the > last one to die was in May this year. I get the feeling her details > won't show up. > I will also be looking for a friend's Mum - who is a sprightly 104, > she'll be tickled pink if her record is on there :-) > -- > Tickettyboo just a thought about financing the work done by FMP. When the original census records were put on line lots of people could search for many ancestors going back several generations and therefore buying lots of credits which made buying a sub very economical. When the 1911 census was published, because it was the most recent, covering my great grandparents and grandparents generation, there were fewer ancestors I were looking for in the records so If I had bought credits (which I didn't - I waited till they were on my Ancestry sub) I would have needed far fewer to view all the pages for my ancestors. This 'census' covers my parents and grand parents and so I only need to look at 2 households, so why by credits for a bundle of 5? I'm not sure FMP are going to make lots of money on this or even cover their costs regards melanie That approach doesn't apply to everyone, though, Melanie. I look at the descendants of all my direct antecedents, and so I have many households of interest. Besides putting context to the lives of my own ancestors, this often puts me in touch with distant relatives who have unpublished information, or images, relevant to my own lines. There's also the "FAN principle" when attempting difficult research topics, and I have at least two situations where I want to look at the "friends, associates and neighbours" in order to solve specific problems. I don't think FMP had this in mind when they set the current pricing. I have no choice but to wait until this data becomes available through subscription, ... or win the lottery! Tony Proctor

On 30/10/2015 12:31, Tony Proctor wrote: > "melanie chesnel"<mellychesnel@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:fc0e8fb8-8466-4453-a2fe-a474f39d5d80@googlegroups.com... > On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 1:35:50 AM UTC+1, Tickettyboo wrote: >> On 2015-10-28 16:49:52 +0000, Tony Proctor said: >> >>> "Tim Powys-Lybbe"<tim@powys.org> wrote in message >>> news:d9c6ebFnfjoU1@mid.individual.net... >>>> On 27/10/2015 4:02 p.m., Anne Sherman wrote: >>>>> Find My Past have just announced that the 1939 register will be >>>>> available on from Monday 2nd November 2015. >>>>> >>>>> Records will be available to purchase for £6.95 per household, or >>>>> £24.95 for a 5 household bundle (£4.99 per household). It seems a bit >>>>> pricey but they did put a lot of work into it. >>>>> >>>>> Findmypast subscribers will be entitled to a discount. >>>> >>>> I was wondering about that discount but did not see anything on the >>>> announcement I received from FMP. >>>> >>>> FindMypast also got the 1911 census contract and set up a company to >>>> market and charge for this. The charges were on a piece basis with >>>> various discounts for quantity. >>>> >>>> I think that 1911-only site is only now being wound up. But very soon >>>> FMP added 1911 census access to their normal subscriptions, as have >>>> other genealogy data providers. >>>> >>>> What I wonder is how long it will be before FMP add the 1939 exercise >>>> to their normal FMP data subscription. As a potential customer of that >>>> data, I am happy not to buy access in a piecemeal fashion and await the >>>> merge into the full subscription. >>>> >>>> Who knows any more? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org >>>> for a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/ >>> >>> I don't think there has been, or will be, any statement on that last >>> part yet Tim. I have seen mentions of 10% discount in the UK (whoopee!) >>> and 25% in AU. Chris Paton published a more recent PR from findmypast, >>> at >>> http://britishgenes.blogspot.ie/2015/10/english-and-welsh-1939-national.html, >>> which suggests the registers will be "searchable", but you pay-per-view >>> to "see the records". I'm especially interested in what the >>> search-results will actually contain. It has to be sufficient to ensure >>> you have the right household (in an ideal world) but less than the full >>> details. >>> >>> Tony Proctor >> >> As for the discount, I now have three emails.The first gave me the >> release date and said that as a subscriber (Britain only) I would be >> getting a discount of 25% on a bundle. >> >> That has been followed by a mail giving me a personal code, can only be >> used once, to buy 300 credits, enough for a bundle of 5 households, in >> advance of the release at a 25% discount. I've now done that and the >> 300 credits are showing in my subscriptions page and the cost was £18.71 >> >> The 3rd mail says I have a personal code to buy 300 credits at a 10% >> discount. I'll see what results I'll get with my first 300 credits >> before deciding whether or not to go ahead and attempt to use the >> second code. Not sure yet but I may well just try for the 5 households >> and be content with that until such time as the database is included in >> a sub. >> >> I'll be interested to see how out of date the 'redaction' for people >> who are still alive (? but under 100 years old) is. I have one family >> where all the members likely to be listed have all since died, but the >> last one to die was in May this year. I get the feeling her details >> won't show up. >> I will also be looking for a friend's Mum - who is a sprightly 104, >> she'll be tickled pink if her record is on there :-) >> -- >> Tickettyboo > > just a thought about financing the work done by FMP. When the original > census records were put on line lots of people could search for many > ancestors going back several generations and therefore buying lots of > credits which made buying a sub very economical. When the 1911 census was > published, because it was the most recent, covering my great grandparents > and grandparents generation, there were fewer ancestors I were looking for > in the records so If I had bought credits (which I didn't - I waited till > they were on my Ancestry sub) I would have needed far fewer to view all the > pages for my ancestors. This 'census' covers my parents and grand parents > and so I only need to look at 2 households, so why by credits for a bundle > of 5? I'm not sure FMP are going to make lots of money on this or even cover > their costs > regards melanie > > > That approach doesn't apply to everyone, though, Melanie. I look at the > descendants of all my direct antecedents, and so I have many households of > interest. Besides putting context to the lives of my own ancestors, this > often puts me in touch with distant relatives who have unpublished > information, or images, relevant to my own lines. > > There's also the "FAN principle" when attempting difficult research topics, > and I have at least two situations where I want to look at the "friends, > associates and neighbours" in order to solve specific problems. > > I don't think FMP had this in mind when they set the current pricing. I have > no choice but to wait until this data becomes available through > subscription, ... or win the lottery! > > Tony Proctor > > I think that sums it up pretty well. I don't think that the 1939 Register will tell me anything I don't already about those of my close family who were alive at the time (including some who are still alive and under 100 - whose entries will be redacted anyway). And casting the net wider would involve far more than five households. -- Cheers, Roger ____________ Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom checked.