On Thursday, 14 January 2016 05:34:08 UTC, Phil Hawkins wrote: > Morning All > I have just come across an old photo in my late mothers belongings. It is > damaged and faded Taken by Lowthian Bros in Grimsby. (Apparently very famous > in the area in the late 1800's) > I have been able to PS it so as to get the fold out of the centre (Right > down the middle of the body) at least to allow it to be seen to a reasonable > degree. > I have an idea who it is (my Gt Grandmother ), but would like some help to > add a reasonable conclusion. (Why didn't they put a name on the back???) > I do not have a web site but would like to have you experts help with dating > the picture by the outfit and an opinion of the age of the lady. > How can I make it available to any who are willing to assist?? > Thanks in Advance > Phil I have placed the picture at: http://rumbutter.info/philhawkins Chris

Chris Dickinson wrote: > On Thursday, 14 January 2016 05:34:08 UTC, Phil Hawkins wrote: >> Morning All >> I have just come across an old photo in my late mothers belongings. It is >> damaged and faded Taken by Lowthian Bros in Grimsby. (Apparently very famous >> in the area in the late 1800's) >> I have been able to PS it so as to get the fold out of the centre (Right >> down the middle of the body) at least to allow it to be seen to a reasonable >> degree. >> I have an idea who it is (my Gt Grandmother ), but would like some help to >> add a reasonable conclusion. (Why didn't they put a name on the back???) >> I do not have a web site but would like to have you experts help with dating >> the picture by the outfit and an opinion of the age of the lady. >> How can I make it available to any who are willing to assist?? >> Thanks in Advance >> Phil > > > I have placed the picture at: > > http://rumbutter.info/philhawkins > > Chris > According to Wiki, those leg o'mutton sleeves came into fashion in the mid-1890s and remained fashionable, getting larger all the time, until around 1906. Those aren't very big (I have a dated photo of a great aunt in 1900 and her sleeves are enormous over the upper arm and very tight over the forearm), but Grimsby was not the fashion capital of the world and was probably a year or two behind, so I'd say late-ish 1890s. As for her age....most, if not all, adult/near adult women at the time wore their hair up (going by photos of my grandmother born 1883 - her hair was up by the time she was 16 but I gather from what she said when she was an old woman that her mother opposed that bitterly); in this photo, the fact that hers is down might indicate that she is quite young, yet her face looks quite mature - late teens perhaps ? Now tell me how wrong that is with regard to your great grandmother's dates ;) ! -- Anne Chambers South Australia anne dot chambers at bigpond dot com

On Friday, 15 January 2016 06:37:08 UTC, Chris Dickinson wrote: > On Thursday, 14 January 2016 05:34:08 UTC, Phil Hawkins wrote: > > Morning All > > I have just come across an old photo in my late mothers belongings. It is > > damaged and faded Taken by Lowthian Bros in Grimsby. (Apparently very famous > > in the area in the late 1800's) > > I have been able to PS it so as to get the fold out of the centre (Right > > down the middle of the body) at least to allow it to be seen to a reasonable > > degree. > > I have an idea who it is (my Gt Grandmother ), but would like some help to > > add a reasonable conclusion. (Why didn't they put a name on the back???) > > I do not have a web site but would like to have you experts help with dating > > the picture by the outfit and an opinion of the age of the lady. > > How can I make it available to any who are willing to assist?? > > Thanks in Advance > > Phil > > > I have placed the picture at: > > http://rumbutter.info/philhawkins > > Chris Though there has been only one response since making the picture available, there have been over 40 visits to the page over the last 24 hours. Quite a decent viewing figure.

"Chris Dickinson" wrote in message news:186d3fa0-979b-4eb9-ac1c-3edf27f06abe@googlegroups.com... On Thursday, 14 January 2016 05:34:08 UTC, Phil Hawkins wrote: > Morning All > I have just come across an old photo in my late mothers belongings. It is > damaged and faded Taken by Lowthian Bros in Grimsby. (Apparently very > famous > in the area in the late 1800's) > I have been able to PS it so as to get the fold out of the centre (Right > down the middle of the body) at least to allow it to be seen to a > reasonable > degree. > I have an idea who it is (my Gt Grandmother ), but would like some help to > add a reasonable conclusion. (Why didn't they put a name on the back???) > I do not have a web site but would like to have you experts help with > dating > the picture by the outfit and an opinion of the age of the lady. > How can I make it available to any who are willing to assist?? > Thanks in Advance > Phil >I have placed the picture at: >http://rumbutter.info/philhawkins >Chris I have very similar pictures of my great-grandparents with a daughter taken about 1911. Geoff

aged and faded Taken by Lowthian Bros in Grimsby. (Apparently very famous > > in the area in the late 1800's) > > I have been able to PS it so as to get the fold out of the centre (Right > > down the middle of the body) at least to allow it to be seen to a reasonable > > degree. > > I have an idea who it is (my Gt Grandmother ), but would like some help to > > add a reasonable conclusion. (Why didn't they put a name on the back???) > > I do not have a web site but would like to have you experts help with dating > > the picture by the outfit and an opinion of the age of the lady. > > How can I make it available to any who are willing to assist?? > > Thanks in Advance > > Phil > > > I have placed the picture at: > > http://rumbutter.info/philhawkins > > Chris > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENBRIT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message I WOULD SAy mid to late 90s, and probably a provicial girl would run a couple of years behind london fashions. Despite the rather mature look of he face, the loose long hair suggests she is in her fairly early teens, since adult women wore their hair up on all formal occasions (certainly for a photo). This could be a first communion photo, or the last one taken before she was off into the big world as a domestic/ Say 16? EVE Author of The McLaughlin Guides for Family Historians Secretary, Bucks Genealogical Society

On 15/01/2016 5:37 PM, Chris Dickinson wrote: > On Thursday, 14 January 2016 05:34:08 UTC, Phil Hawkins wrote: >> Morning All >> I have just come across an old photo in my late mothers belongings. It is >> damaged and faded Taken by Lowthian Bros in Grimsby. (Apparently very famous >> in the area in the late 1800's) >> I have been able to PS it so as to get the fold out of the centre (Right >> down the middle of the body) at least to allow it to be seen to a reasonable >> degree. >> I have an idea who it is (my Gt Grandmother ), but would like some help to >> add a reasonable conclusion. (Why didn't they put a name on the back???) >> I do not have a web site but would like to have you experts help with dating >> the picture by the outfit and an opinion of the age of the lady. >> How can I make it available to any who are willing to assist?? >> Thanks in Advance >> Phil > > > I have placed the picture at: > > http://rumbutter.info/philhawkins From the pic, and my costuming books, I'd say her clothes were in fashion between 1890 and 1900. The fashion of that era are covered by "The Delineator" which featured Butterick sewing patterns. I'd tip an earlier date within that range though given where the back shoulder seam would need to fall on that jacket to get that style. If you do a search on the name of the mag in google images, you'll see lots of pics from the mag and you can follow through to sites that may (or may not) be of help in firming up the date.