On 14/01/16 05:34, Phil Hawkins wrote: > How can I make it available to any who are willing to assist?? Google Photos? Google Drive? Or any other site with similar sharing facilities.
On Thursday, 14 January 2016 05:34:08 UTC, Phil Hawkins wrote: > Morning All > I have just come across an old photo in my late mothers belongings. It is > damaged and faded Taken by Lowthian Bros in Grimsby. (Apparently very famous > in the area in the late 1800's) > I have been able to PS it so as to get the fold out of the centre (Right > down the middle of the body) at least to allow it to be seen to a reasonable > degree. > I have an idea who it is (my Gt Grandmother ), but would like some help to > add a reasonable conclusion. (Why didn't they put a name on the back???) > I do not have a web site but would like to have you experts help with dating > the picture by the outfit and an opinion of the age of the lady. > How can I make it available to any who are willing to assist?? > Thanks in Advance > Phil If you email it to me, I can put it on my site temporarily (either open to public view or passworded). Chris rumbutter.info
On 11/01/16 19:48, CWatters wrote: > In short what are the odds of someone born in Spain around 1887 to > British parents having a record at the GRO that I can now order? On 11/01/16 19:48, CWatters wrote: > In short what are the odds of someone born in Spain around 1887 to > British parents having a record at the GRO that I can now order? To answer that we would need to know how many were notified to the consul and how many weren't. Clearly impossible. GRO say of consular returns "These records relate to registrations made by the British Consul in the country concerned. It should be noted that registration in respect of British citizens or subjects has never been compulsory and therefore we may not hold a record of the event. These returns are made to the Registrar General annually, under the Registration of Overseas Births and Deaths Regulations 1982 (made by the Secretary of State in accordance with Section 41(1) (i) of the British Nationality Act 1981). The records were originally kept in accordance with Foreign Office instructions. The instructions were subsequently embodied in regulations made under the British Nationality and Status of Aliens Acts 1914-43, and the British Nationality Act 1948." Indexes are available on microfiche at the usual repositories and online at Findmypast.
CWatters wrote: >[...] >I'm aware that a British citizen born abroad can register the birth at >the British Consulate but was that info routinely sent back to the UK ? >[...] One of my gg-uncles was born in Ulster but brought up and educated in Scotland and England before going out to India. His daughter was born in India in 1892, but spent most of her life in England. She knew of no birth certificate so, as she approached 100, negotiations occurred and Buckingham Palace accepted her baptismal certificate as proof of age (and the day and month from the family). It turned out, a decade or so after the 100th birthday, that her birth had in fact been registered in the UK (information sent from Calcutta, if I recollect correctly); the English relatives dealing with the matter in the late 20C had not thought of checking in Dublin. (Separate point, in passing: a British Consulate in France, about 10 years ago, made it clear that they took information from the French documents rather than the parents, not least to ensure that the child had the same names in both systems.)
On Mon, 11 Jan 2016 21:01:19 +0000, Iain Archer <ianews.12@gmail.com> wrote: >CWatters <colin.watters@NOturnersoakSPAM.plus.com> wrote on Mon, 11 Jan >2016 at 19:48:00: >>While ordering copies of some English Death certificates I noticed the >>GRO have an option to order "Overseas Certificates". >> >>I'm aware that a British citizen born abroad can register the birth at >>the British Consulate but was that info routinely sent back to the UK ? > They were routinely sent back but only if someone told the consulate. All returns went into the records held by the GRO in London irrespective of where the parents were domiciled. If either parent was recorded as coming from somewhere in the UK other than England and Wales then the birth should also be in a subset of foreign records held by their home country's GRO. Those for Scotland are available via ScotlandsPeople under "Minor Records". Note that some of the original documents from which the consulate copied the information for the UK record might be available free if the country/state concerned has put their records online or has e.g. made them available to www.familysearch.org . >I remember consulting at GRO a bound index of consular registrations for >a birth registered in the 1940s. >> >>In short what are the odds of someone born in Spain around 1887 to >>British parents having a record at the GRO that I can now order? > I've got a relative's birth registered in Valparaiso in Chile in 1876 so your odds should only depend on whether or not the consulate was advised. >Who knows how likely it is that the parents registered the birth there? >> >>The family must have lived in Spain for awhile because several children >>were born there according to census data.
CWatters <colin.watters@NOturnersoakSPAM.plus.com> wrote on Mon, 11 Jan 2016 at 19:48:00: >While ordering copies of some English Death certificates I noticed the >GRO have an option to order "Overseas Certificates". > >I'm aware that a British citizen born abroad can register the birth at >the British Consulate but was that info routinely sent back to the UK ? I remember consulting at GRO a bound index of consular registrations for a birth registered in the 1940s. > >In short what are the odds of someone born in Spain around 1887 to >British parents having a record at the GRO that I can now order? Who knows how likely it is that the parents registered the birth there? > >The family must have lived in Spain for awhile because several children >were born there according to census data. -- Iain Archer
While ordering copies of some English Death certificates I noticed the GRO have an option to order "Overseas Certificates". I'm aware that a British citizen born abroad can register the birth at the British Consulate but was that info routinely sent back to the UK ? In short what are the odds of someone born in Spain around 1887 to British parents having a record at the GRO that I can now order? The family must have lived in Spain for awhile because several children were born there according to census data. Second qustion.. some of the order forms at the GRO have optional fields. Is it wise to fill these in if the information is suspect? For example I have a DOB from a death certificate. The surname is SMITH so that DOB might help narrow down a search a lot if correct. If it was incorrect would the GRO bounce the order? Thanks.
On 1/11/2016 2:48 PM, CWatters wrote: > While ordering copies of some English Death certificates I noticed the > GRO have an option to order "Overseas Certificates". > > I'm aware that a British citizen born abroad can register the birth at > the British Consulate but was that info routinely sent back to the UK ? > It was, when I registered my children (British Nationality of 1981). We received Certificates of Registration from the Home Office, which were then used when applying for British passports. But I have no idea what the law was in earlier years.
The January 2016 update of the Oxford DNB is now available. The update adds biographies of 222 notable Britons who died in 2012. Highlights from the update http://global.oup.com/oxforddnb/info/freeodnb/shelves/jan2016/ Full list of new biographies http://global.oup.com/oxforddnb/info/newupdates/contents/newlives16a/ In many counties in the UK you can view the Oxford DNB via your local library using your library card. Wendy
I think it's reasonable to assume this is the same family in 1841 and 1851. Do others agree? 1841 Ogle Street,Marylebone. HO107 675 5 P23/4 John Maden 25 Cabinet Maker M S Agnes Maden 20 F S Agnes Maden 4 F S John Maden 11mths M N 1851 Rhuddlan Road,Rhyl. HO107 2506 201 P32 John Maiden Head Mar 38 Cabinet Maker Scotland Agnes Maiden Dau 12 Housekeeper London,Middx If so, can anyone find the rest of the family in 1851? By 1861 John Maden is dead and the rest of the family are living in Birkenhead. See RG9 2646 20 P34. Thanks in advance.
This may be of interest to anyone near Huddersfield: http://heritagequay.org/events/historical-research-skills-palaeography/ Ian -- Hotmail is my spam bin. Real address is ianng at austonley org uk
If Donna should read this group, she was asking for information on Leah and her family on Family Trees. A few years back I gained a lot of information on Leah, her parents and grand parents. If Donna will email me at lefev@freeeuk.com I will pass this on, and ask a question of my own. Regards, Alec Lefevre -- A.Lefevre
On Thursday, July 31, 2014 at 9:08:15 AM UTC+12, Joshua Ball wrote: > My name is Josh Ball and I am trying to contact a John Fairlie, who posted a family tree with my grandfather in it, a Thomas Morien Ball. > The email address on the site (john@fairlie.force9.co.uk) for him is no longer working, and I would very much like to get in contact with him regarding the tree, and any information he might be able to help me with. > If anyone can point me in the right direction I'd be really grateful. > > Josh Hi Josh, if you are still searching contact Claire using tandc dot clark @clear dot net dot nz
On Sat, 02 Jan 2016 05:55:43 +0200, Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote: >On Fri, 1 Jan 2016 17:45:20 -0000, "Stephen Mawson" ><stephenjc.mawson@btopenworld.com> wrote: > >>An alternative, if you have not already found it, is >>http://db.theclergydatabase.org.uk/index.html which I have used for early >>19th century clergymen. > >That looks like an interesting project, but ones I searched for, that >I know are in Crockfords, are not there. It seems that this site is intended to be complementary to Crockfords, so it ends about the time theat Crockford's began publication. So people found in this database will generally NOT be found in Crockford's, and vice versa. -- Steve Hayes Web: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com/ http://hayesgreene.blogspot.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/afgen/
On 01/01/2016 4:54 pm, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote: > Many of my forebears were clergy of the Church of England. In principle > the printed edition of Crockfords goes back to 1858, but the web site > only talks about searches going back to 1968. The latter date is too > recent to be any use to me, but I might be inclined to register if it > will get me to earlier information. Registration is free, but on the > whole I don't register for sites that I'm not going to use (even highly > respectable ones like Crockfords). Does anyone have experience of their > site, and know it it's useful for searching for information about > clergymen in the 19th century? No but the 1868 edition is obtainable from archive.org. And the Society of Genealogists has a collection of directories that looks pretty complete from 1888 on at <http://s10312uk.eos-intl.eu/S10312UK/OPAC/Search/Browse.aspx?txtSearch=Crockford&IndexCode=1&SearchMethod=1>. If you're in London this could be worth a visit. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org for a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/
On 02/01/2016 12:06, SBrainstev via wrote: > It may not have been the fault if local priest..... just think how > local accents may well have distorted the name in the mouths of the > happy couple! > > I certainly have Messam ancestors, who with a thick west country > accent, are recorded as Meursum, Merzum and even Mason! > > Steve > One of my Gt Grandfathers was named Horace, but on his BC it stated "Orace." Presumably his mother dropped her aitches! -- Jenny M Benson
On 2016-01-01 17:45:20 +0000, Stephen Mawson said: > "Athel Cornish-Bowden" <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> wrote in message > news:denpanF31rbU1@mid.individual.net... > > > Athel > > An alternative, if you have not already found it, is > http://db.theclergydatabase.org.uk/index.html which I have used for > early 19th century clergymen. >From a quick look at some clergy that I already knew about, that looks like an excellent resource. Thanks, and thanks also to others who replied. -- athel
It may not have been the fault if local priest..... just think how local accents may well have distorted the name in the mouths of the happy couple! I certainly have Messam ancestors, who with a thick west country accent, are recorded as Meursum, Merzum and even Mason! Steve On Fri, 1 Jan 2016 14:12:34 -0000, "Gordon" <gordonwb@argonet.co.uk> wrote: >The fun really starts when this occurs with your ancestors surnames and the >spelling changes with the change in parish priest who was usually the only >person who could write at that time. It gets "better" if the priest was hard >of hearing too. I have a case where you would not believe the range of >surname variations, some suggest a deaf priest.
On Fri, 1 Jan 2016 17:45:20 -0000, "Stephen Mawson" <stephenjc.mawson@btopenworld.com> wrote: >An alternative, if you have not already found it, is >http://db.theclergydatabase.org.uk/index.html which I have used for early >19th century clergymen. That looks like an interesting project, but ones I searched for, that I know are in Crockfords, are not there. -- Steve Hayes Web: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com/ http://hayesgreene.blogspot.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/afgen/
On Fri, 1 Jan 2016 14:12:34 -0000, "Gordon" <gordonwb@argonet.co.uk> wrote: >The fun really starts when this occurs with your ancestors surnames and the >spelling changes with the change in parish priest who was usually the only >person who could write at that time. It gets "better" if the priest was hard >of hearing too. I have a case where you would not believe the range of >surname variations, some suggest a deaf priest. I have some experience of that with clergy in Cornwall. One priest insisted on spelling the surname of my Greenaway ancestors as "Greenway". He obviously thought that was how the name *ought* to be spelt. What gives the game away is the marriage registers, where the name is recorded as Greenway, but the parties signed as Greenaway. There was a similar problem, also in Cornwall, with Sandercock and Saundercock. -- Steve Hayes Web: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com/ http://hayesgreene.blogspot.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/afgen/