Charles Ellson <ce11son@yahoo.ca> Wrote in message: > On Mon, 25 Jan 2016 00:14:10 +0100, "Evertjan." > <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> >>"Dropsy" was short for "Hydropsy" and could be any swelling caused by fluid, >>in a pre-existing cavity, in a new-made cavity with a wall or diffuse >>[without a clear wall] in a tissue. >> >>An example of a fluid-filled inflammation in a new-made cavity could be an >>absess, in a subcutaneous tissue could be erysipelas or gangrene, in an >>existing cavity a pluritis or a peritonitis. >> >>Lacking context, it is a guessing game to translate the possible symptoms >>into a modern diagnosis, it being the surmized cause of death, it would have >>been a serious condition. >> > Bearing in mind that the diagnosis at that time was nearly always on > the basis of external examination with no autopsy if not merely the > description given by an unqualified informant, it was also possible > that death could have been caused by something unrelated to the > previous diagnosis. Sometimes "dropped down dead" and "old age" (still > admissable as a CoD for the very old) was more accurate than other > causes of death. > Another Google Books link says it was dropsy associated with internal disease: https://books.google.com.au/books?id=0Po-vXkkaMUC&pg=PA617&lpg=PA6 17&dq=inflammatory+dropsy&source=bl&ots=iKVKzAsdyW&sig=BiC1EaGqCUl xYzXKXx03kp3Cx8Q&hl=en&sa=X &ved=0ahUKEwju54fViMTKAhVkrqYKHY9oBmgQ6AEIHDAB#v=onepage &q=inflammatory%20dropsy&f=false Dropsy was edema, a collection of fluid. Doug. --

I have received an email from FMP,which states,that the 1939 register,will be free to England & World subscriptions,only if you pay a 12 month subscription.It will not be free to any one who pays a monthly subscription. Nick

On Mon, 25 Jan 2016 00:04:04 +0000, Charles Ellson <ce11son@yahoo.ca> wrote: >[...] Sometimes "dropped down dead" and "old age" (still >admissable as a CoD for the very old) [...] I.e., over 70. See page 8 of www.uhs.nhs.uk/media/suhtideal/doctors/medicalpersonnelinduction/yourinductionday/medicalcertificateofcauseofdeath-notesfordoctors.pdf [alternative link: http://tinyurl.com/8xrqvzk ]

On 25/01/2016 01:47, knuttle wrote: > However when I was about 19, I had appendicitis with complications. The > Appendix did not break but developed a pin hole that leak the material > into the stomach cavity. After about two years a grapefruit size growth > formed around the appendix. Symptoms: sever abdominal pain, difficulty > going to the bathroom, could not eat, and other niceties. When I lay on > my back I could actual feel the growth in my stomach. > > This was in the 1970 not the 1860. I was in the hospital getting > antibiotics for several days before they thought it was safe to operate, > and then in the hospital several more days after the operation. I was > told a 100 years earlier I would have been dead. > > I have seen Inflammatory Dropsy in one of my young ancestors and always > assumed that that is what caused his death. I suspect in Jenny's case > that that was the cause of her 8yr old's death. Thank you to everyone who has contributed to this thread. I was aware that dropsy was oedema and that "inflammatory dropsy" sounded more like a symptom than a cause, but thought that the term was possibly used for some specific condition. I have another relative who died of "Surfeit"! I doubt it was lampreys but wonder if it was caused by too much alcohol. -- Jenny M Benson

Anne Chambers wrote: > Jenny M Benson wrote: >> Does anyone know what "Inflammatory Dropsy" would be called nowadays? >> >> This was the cause of death of an 8 yr old boy in 1863. >> > These were the symptoms > https://books.google.com.au/books?id=0Po-vXkkaMUC&pg=PA617&lpg=PA617&dq=inflammatory+dropsy&source=bl&ots=iKVKzyrfyX&sig=ApInnsNg7ucFhxo0Mgf2fUs9hQk&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjzo6yXu8PKAhWj2aYKHUHKCXoQ6AEIHjAB#v=onepage&q=inflammatory%20dropsy&f=false > > Sounds as if it was some sort of kidney disease http://www.forgottenbooks.com/readbook_text/On_Dropsy_Connected_With_Disease_of_the_Kidneys_Morbus_Brightii_1000873970/157 -- Anne Chambers South Australia anne dot chambers at bigpond dot com

Jenny M Benson wrote: > Does anyone know what "Inflammatory Dropsy" would be called nowadays? > > This was the cause of death of an 8 yr old boy in 1863. > These were the symptoms https://books.google.com.au/books?id=0Po-vXkkaMUC&pg=PA617&lpg=PA617&dq=inflammatory+dropsy&source=bl&ots=iKVKzyrfyX&sig=ApInnsNg7ucFhxo0Mgf2fUs9hQk&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjzo6yXu8PKAhWj2aYKHUHKCXoQ6AEIHjAB#v=onepage&q=inflammatory%20dropsy&f=false -- Anne Chambers South Australia anne dot chambers at bigpond dot com

On 24/01/16 22:02, Jenny M Benson wrote: > Does anyone know what "Inflammatory Dropsy" would be called nowadays? > > This was the cause of death of an 8 yr old boy in 1863. It's what oedema used to be called. I doubt it was the actual cause of death; rather it was likely a symptom of some underlying fatal condition, such as kidney or heart disease. Richard

Charles Ellson <ce11son@yahoo.ca> wrote on 24 Jan 2016 in soc.genealogy.britain: > On Mon, 25 Jan 2016 08:41:25 +1030, Anne Chambers <anne@privacy.net> > wrote: > >>Jenny M Benson wrote: >>> Does anyone know what "Inflammatory Dropsy" would be called nowadays? >>> >>> This was the cause of death of an 8 yr old boy in 1863. >>> >>These were the symptoms >>https://books.google.com.au/books?id=0Po-vXkkaMUC&pg=PA617&lpg=PA617&dq=i >>nflammatory+dropsy&source=bl&ots=iKVKzyrfyX&sig=ApInnsNg7ucFhxo0Mgf2fUs9h >>Qk&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjzo6yXu8PKAhWj2aYKHUHKCXoQ6AEIHjAB#v=onepage&q=i >>nflammatory%20dropsy&f=false >> > "Symptoms" is the important bit as many older death registrations > listed only the signs (what others can observe) and/or symptoms (what > the patient is aware of) without specifying the actual cause of death. > Dropsy now known as oedema (accumulation of fluid in tissue, typically > in the legs) can imply congestive heart failure or other cardiac > problems but the mention of inflammation and the lack of mention of > the part of the body affected IMU leads to multiple choices of the > actual ailment. In some cases it can describe a person who has > suffered a severe allergic reaction (anaphylaxis). > http://www.thornber.net/medicine/html/medgloss.html (Glossary of > medical terms used in the 18th and 18th centuries) also refers to > dropsy as a sign of kidney disease. > http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/oedema/Pages/Introduction.aspx describes > further conditions which can involve oedema. > > With an 8y old boy you can rule out some things but you're possibly > more likely to work it out by seeing if there was anything common > among his siblings although if e.g. there was a dozen of then who all > survived into old age then the actual illness is likely to remain a > mystery. "Dropsy" was short for "Hydropsy" and could be any swelling caused by fluid, in a pre-existing cavity, in a new-made cavity with a wall or diffuse [without a clear wall] in a tissue. An example of a fluid-filled inflammation in a new-made cavity could be an absess, in a subcutaneous tissue could be erysipelas or gangrene, in an existing cavity a pluritis or a peritonitis. Lacking context, it is a guessing game to translate the possible symptoms into a modern diagnosis, it being the surmized cause of death, it would have been a serious condition. -- Evertjan. The Netherlands. (Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)

On Mon, 25 Jan 2016 00:14:10 +0100, "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> wrote: >Charles Ellson <ce11son@yahoo.ca> wrote on 24 Jan 2016 in >soc.genealogy.britain: > >> On Mon, 25 Jan 2016 08:41:25 +1030, Anne Chambers <anne@privacy.net> >> wrote: >> >>>Jenny M Benson wrote: >>>> Does anyone know what "Inflammatory Dropsy" would be called nowadays? >>>> >>>> This was the cause of death of an 8 yr old boy in 1863. >>>> >>>These were the symptoms >>>https://books.google.com.au/books?id=0Po-vXkkaMUC&pg=PA617&lpg=PA617&dq=i >>>nflammatory+dropsy&source=bl&ots=iKVKzyrfyX&sig=ApInnsNg7ucFhxo0Mgf2fUs9h >>>Qk&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjzo6yXu8PKAhWj2aYKHUHKCXoQ6AEIHjAB#v=onepage&q=i >>>nflammatory%20dropsy&f=false >>> >> "Symptoms" is the important bit as many older death registrations >> listed only the signs (what others can observe) and/or symptoms (what >> the patient is aware of) without specifying the actual cause of death. >> Dropsy now known as oedema (accumulation of fluid in tissue, typically >> in the legs) can imply congestive heart failure or other cardiac >> problems but the mention of inflammation and the lack of mention of >> the part of the body affected IMU leads to multiple choices of the >> actual ailment. In some cases it can describe a person who has >> suffered a severe allergic reaction (anaphylaxis). >> http://www.thornber.net/medicine/html/medgloss.html (Glossary of >> medical terms used in the 18th and 18th centuries) also refers to >> dropsy as a sign of kidney disease. >> http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/oedema/Pages/Introduction.aspx describes >> further conditions which can involve oedema. >> >> With an 8y old boy you can rule out some things but you're possibly >> more likely to work it out by seeing if there was anything common >> among his siblings although if e.g. there was a dozen of then who all >> survived into old age then the actual illness is likely to remain a >> mystery. > >"Dropsy" was short for "Hydropsy" and could be any swelling caused by fluid, >in a pre-existing cavity, in a new-made cavity with a wall or diffuse >[without a clear wall] in a tissue. > >An example of a fluid-filled inflammation in a new-made cavity could be an >absess, in a subcutaneous tissue could be erysipelas or gangrene, in an >existing cavity a pluritis or a peritonitis. > >Lacking context, it is a guessing game to translate the possible symptoms >into a modern diagnosis, it being the surmized cause of death, it would have >been a serious condition. > Bearing in mind that the diagnosis at that time was nearly always on the basis of external examination with no autopsy if not merely the description given by an unqualified informant, it was also possible that death could have been caused by something unrelated to the previous diagnosis. Sometimes "dropped down dead" and "old age" (still admissable as a CoD for the very old) was more accurate than other causes of death.

On Mon, 25 Jan 2016 08:41:25 +1030, Anne Chambers <anne@privacy.net> wrote: >Jenny M Benson wrote: >> Does anyone know what "Inflammatory Dropsy" would be called nowadays? >> >> This was the cause of death of an 8 yr old boy in 1863. >> >These were the symptoms >https://books.google.com.au/books?id=0Po-vXkkaMUC&pg=PA617&lpg=PA617&dq=inflammatory+dropsy&source=bl&ots=iKVKzyrfyX&sig=ApInnsNg7ucFhxo0Mgf2fUs9hQk&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjzo6yXu8PKAhWj2aYKHUHKCXoQ6AEIHjAB#v=onepage&q=inflammatory%20dropsy&f=false > "Symptoms" is the important bit as many older death registrations listed only the signs (what others can observe) and/or symptoms (what the patient is aware of) without specifying the actual cause of death. Dropsy now known as oedema (accumulation of fluid in tissue, typically in the legs) can imply congestive heart failure or other cardiac problems but the mention of inflammation and the lack of mention of the part of the body affected IMU leads to multiple choices of the actual ailment. In some cases it can describe a person who has suffered a severe allergic reaction (anaphylaxis). http://www.thornber.net/medicine/html/medgloss.html (Glossary of medical terms used in the 18th and 18th centuries) also refers to dropsy as a sign of kidney disease. http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/oedema/Pages/Introduction.aspx describes further conditions which can involve oedema. With an 8y old boy you can rule out some things but you're possibly more likely to work it out by seeing if there was anything common among his siblings although if e.g. there was a dozen of then who all survived into old age then the actual illness is likely to remain a mystery.

Does anyone know what "Inflammatory Dropsy" would be called nowadays? This was the cause of death of an 8 yr old boy in 1863. -- Jenny M Benson

On 1/24/2016 5:11 PM, Anne Chambers wrote: > Jenny M Benson wrote: >> Does anyone know what "Inflammatory Dropsy" would be called nowadays? >> >> This was the cause of death of an 8 yr old boy in 1863. >> > These were the symptoms > https://books.google.com.au/books?id=0Po-vXkkaMUC&pg=PA617&lpg=PA617&dq=inflammatory+dropsy&source=bl&ots=iKVKzyrfyX&sig=ApInnsNg7ucFhxo0Mgf2fUs9hQk&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjzo6yXu8PKAhWj2aYKHUHKCXoQ6AEIHjAB#v=onepage&q=inflammatory%20dropsy&f=false > > First I am not a doctor, so you can disregard what I am about to say. However when I was about 19, I had appendicitis with complications. The Appendix did not break but developed a pin hole that leak the material into the stomach cavity. After about two years a grapefruit size growth formed around the appendix. Symptoms: sever abdominal pain, difficulty going to the bathroom, could not eat, and other niceties. When I lay on my back I could actual feel the growth in my stomach. This was in the 1970 not the 1860. I was in the hospital getting antibiotics for several days before they thought it was safe to operate, and then in the hospital several more days after the operation. I was told a 100 years earlier I would have been dead. I have seen Inflammatory Dropsy in one of my young ancestors and always assumed that that is what caused his death. I suspect in Jenny's case that that was the cause of her 8yr old's death.

nick ashby via <genbrit@rootsweb.com> wrote on 21 Jan 2016 in soc.genealogy.britain: > free access, if I upgrade What is "free" about that? -- Evertjan. The Netherlands. (Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)

>>>>> What I wonder is how long it will be before FMP add the 1939 exercise to >>>>> their normal FMP data subscription. As a potential customer of that >>>>> data, I am happy not to buy access in a piecemeal fashion and await the >>>>> merge into the full subscription. >>>> Apparently as of 16 February 2016, which seems very reasonable to me. >>> Please may I have a reference for that? >> They emailed me, and presumably all people with a FMP subscription. >> The first paragraph read: >> >>> We’re pleased to let you know that as a valued member of Findmypast, from >>> the 16th February 2016, we’re giving you unlimited access to our premium >>> record set, the 1939 Register. This is only available at Findmypast, so >>> you’ll soon be able to discover names, addresses and occupations of people >>> in England and Wales on the eve of the Second World War. >> Richard > thanks, now you have said, I checked and yes I have the same mail. > Sorry to have made you jump through hoops I received a slightly different email,which mentions free access,if I upgrade to world subscription,but I have a 3day offer,for this weekend,to view,world records for free. Have contacted National Archives Kew,for criteria to view 1939 register. Nick

On Sunday, November 20, 2005 at 11:48:02 PM UTC+2, Roy Stockdill wrote: > I wonder if anyone happens to have any knowledge of the family tree > of Sir Charles Barry (1795-1860), the famous architect who designed > the rebuilding of the Palace of Westminster after a fire, including > Big Ben, not to mention Halifax Town Hall (the latter being far more > important, of course!). > > I have scoured the Internet with Google and it seems his wife was > called Sarah and he certainly had at least four sons, three of whom > were also architects and one who was a vicar. However, I need to > discover if he had any daughters as well. I am researching the > ancestry of an actress who has a family story that he was an ancestor > or relative of some kind, and she certainly had a > great-great-grandmother called Louisa Ann Barry, born at Portsmouth > about 1834, according to census returns. > > The IGI turns up nothing that is particularly positive. > > Roy Stockdill > Web page of the Guild of One-Name Studies:- www.one-name.org > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History:- www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > "Cats and monkeys, monkeys and cats - all human life is there." > Henry James, The Madonna of the Future I know it has been 11 years since this page was opened but I have a family tree of Sir Charles Barry's decedents.

On 20/01/2016 18:55, Richard Smith wrote: > On 20/01/16 18:47, Tickettyboo wrote: >> On 2016-01-20 16:59:55 +0000, Richard Smith said: >> >>> On 28 October 2015, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: >>> >>>> What I wonder is how long it will be before FMP add the 1939 >>>> exercise to >>>> their normal FMP data subscription. As a potential customer of that >>>> data, I am happy not to buy access in a piecemeal fashion and await the >>>> merge into the full subscription. >>> >>> Apparently as of 16 February 2016, which seems very reasonable to me. >> >> Please may I have a reference for that? > > They emailed me, and presumably all people with a FMP subscription. The > first paragraph read: > >> We’re pleased to let you know that as a valued member of Findmypast, from >> the 16th February 2016, we’re giving you unlimited access to our premium >> record set, the 1939 Register. This is only available at Findmypast, so >> you’ll soon be able to discover names, addresses and occupations of >> people >> in England and Wales on the eve of the Second World War. > > Richard > Yes, I had the same email. In earlier discussions, some people speculated that the 1939 Register would not be included in subscriptions for another year or two. I can only assume that FMP now accept that they were wildly optimistic about people's willingness to pay to access individual records - so there was no point in hanging out for that. Including them in subscriptions may encourage other people to subscribe - so FMP will get their money that way instead. -- Cheers, Roger ____________ Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom checked.

On 2016-01-20 18:55:48 +0000, Richard Smith said: > On 20/01/16 18:47, Tickettyboo wrote: >> On 2016-01-20 16:59:55 +0000, Richard Smith said: >> >>> On 28 October 2015, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: >>> >>>> What I wonder is how long it will be before FMP add the 1939 exercise to >>>> their normal FMP data subscription. As a potential customer of that >>>> data, I am happy not to buy access in a piecemeal fashion and await the >>>> merge into the full subscription. >>> >>> Apparently as of 16 February 2016, which seems very reasonable to me. >> >> Please may I have a reference for that? > > They emailed me, and presumably all people with a FMP subscription. > The first paragraph read: > >> We’re pleased to let you know that as a valued member of Findmypast, from >> the 16th February 2016, we’re giving you unlimited access to our premium >> record set, the 1939 Register. This is only available at Findmypast, so >> you’ll soon be able to discover names, addresses and occupations of people >> in England and Wales on the eve of the Second World War. > > Richard thanks, now you have said, I checked and yes I have the same mail. Sorry to have made you jump through hoops -- Tickettyboo

On 20/01/16 18:47, Tickettyboo wrote: > On 2016-01-20 16:59:55 +0000, Richard Smith said: > >> On 28 October 2015, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: >> >>> What I wonder is how long it will be before FMP add the 1939 exercise to >>> their normal FMP data subscription. As a potential customer of that >>> data, I am happy not to buy access in a piecemeal fashion and await the >>> merge into the full subscription. >> >> Apparently as of 16 February 2016, which seems very reasonable to me. > > Please may I have a reference for that? They emailed me, and presumably all people with a FMP subscription. The first paragraph read: > We’re pleased to let you know that as a valued member of Findmypast, from > the 16th February 2016, we’re giving you unlimited access to our premium > record set, the 1939 Register. This is only available at Findmypast, so > you’ll soon be able to discover names, addresses and occupations of people > in England and Wales on the eve of the Second World War. Richard

On 2016-01-20 16:59:55 +0000, Richard Smith said: > On 28 October 2015, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > >> What I wonder is how long it will be before FMP add the 1939 exercise to >> their normal FMP data subscription. As a potential customer of that >> data, I am happy not to buy access in a piecemeal fashion and await the >> merge into the full subscription. > > Apparently as of 16 February 2016, which seems very reasonable to me. > > Richard Please may I have a reference for that? -- Tickettyboo

On 28 October 2015, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > What I wonder is how long it will be before FMP add the 1939 exercise to > their normal FMP data subscription. As a potential customer of that > data, I am happy not to buy access in a piecemeal fashion and await the > merge into the full subscription. Apparently as of 16 February 2016, which seems very reasonable to me. Richard