Kate, three siblings were baptised at St. Dunstan in the West, 1796-1800, of David Simpson and Elizabeth, the abode being Child's Place. However, I didn't spot a Sydney Ward Simpson. How do you know that he was another sibling? In a 1811 London directory, David Simpson is listed at 4 Child's Place, "officer to the sheriff of Middlesex". Venn has a record for George Philip Simpson: he was at Corpus Christi, Cambridge (previously at St. Paul's School), marrying Frances, dau. of William Olive, of Frome. I see two possible David Simpsons who died about 1820: a) bur. Chelsea, 21 May 1820, aged 66, (of King's Parade); b) of St. Clement Danes, will in P.C.C., 1823. As Child's Place was off Fleet Street (near Temple Bar) and very close to St. Clement Danes, it may be that the father of the siblings was the man in b) above. However, there was also a baker in St. Clement Danes of the same name (possibly the same person). You may wish to order a copy of that will to see whether it mentions Sydney Ward Simpson. Best wishes, John Townsend Antiquarian Bookseller/Genealogist http://www.johntownsend.demon.co.uk

On Tuesday, December 19, 2006 11:39:16 PM UTC, Hedley Hunnisett wrote: > I'm wondering if anyone out there has access to the parish records of > Burwash, Sussex. I'm after the baptism of a Robert Shorter about 1800, > mother Sarah Shorter of Burwash. She married James Honeysett at Burwash > on 13 Nov 1800 and he is the possible father. They subsequently had nine > children baptised at Warbleton and Heathfield. > > Some time ago I extracted all the Honeysetts from the Burwash parish > records, but at the time was not interested in Shorters. There is no > Robert Honeysett baptism which fits. I've tried FamilySearch which > returns No Record. > > Thanks in advance for any help. > > -- > Hedley Hunnisett of Wigston Magna, Leicestershire. > Researching HUNNISETT/HONEYSETT(any) * HIGHWOOD(any) * FULLAGAR(any) > * MARCHANT(SSX) * HARRIS(SSX) * STRANGE(GLS) * TUTT(SSX) Hallo Again, Copy and paste this and you will find what your looking for. http://www.sussex-opc.org/index.php?t=marriage&no=11

On Tuesday, December 19, 2006 11:39:16 PM UTC, Hedley Hunnisett wrote: > I'm wondering if anyone out there has access to the parish records of > Burwash, Sussex. I'm after the baptism of a Robert Shorter about 1800, > mother Sarah Shorter of Burwash. She married James Honeysett at Burwash > on 13 Nov 1800 and he is the possible father. They subsequently had nine > children baptised at Warbleton and Heathfield. > > Some time ago I extracted all the Honeysetts from the Burwash parish > records, but at the time was not interested in Shorters. There is no > Robert Honeysett baptism which fits. I've tried FamilySearch which > returns No Record. > > Thanks in advance for any help. > > -- > Hedley Hunnisett of Wigston Magna, Leicestershire. > Researching HUNNISETT/HONEYSETT(any) * HIGHWOOD(any) * FULLAGAR(any) > * MARCHANT(SSX) * HARRIS(SSX) * STRANGE(GLS) * TUTT(SSX) Hallo Cousin, I am also tracing my family tree (shorter) of one i am doing at the moment and came across your post. I havent found nine children, only samuel,edward, salina, david, mary, ann,Harriet, john.i found them on family search as i am a member and researching my family tree every day when i can. I hope to hear from you soon Alison Heritage

"John Townsend" wrote in message news:0EKit.21818$G74.13573@fx13.fr7... Kate, We may be able to help you better if you supply a little more information. What is the source for his death in Sierra Leone, May 1826, aged 23? What were the names of the two brothers who were "Ministers of the Church and one a Naval officer"? I can see a David Simpson who was in St. Clement Danes, who may possibly have died about 1820 (as you suggested). Best wishes, John Townsend Antiquarian Bookseller/Genealogist http://www.johntownsend.demon.co.uk Hello John The source was family documents or Bible entries passed on to me recently by someone who noticed my family names on Ancestry. I have wondered about Sydney Ward Simpson for many years. I have traced all his siblings. no problems there. Rev George Philip Simpson, Vicar of Corston, Somerset where he died 1861 aged 66. Rev William West Simpson, came to Australia c 1840, d 1868. As an Antiquarian Bookseller it may be of interest to you to know he brought with him a copy of the Breeches Bible together with the Elkon-Basi- like of Charles 1 (probably you have more knowledge of these than I do) They were, in recent years, presented by family to The King's School, Parramatta, founded 1831, where William had once taught. David James Simpson, Retired as Commander RN CB died Devon 1867. Daughter of family, Joanna Margaret Simpson, Died 1853. The Simpson, Ward, Pridden families are connected and I have the Will of John Pridden, Bookseller, Fleet Street, d 1807. There is an item in the Insolvents section London Gazette, May 1825 Page 869, (pointed out by skp) naming a Sydney Ward Simpson, he was a Bookseller, Moor (Mour) Street, Soho. I have no idea if this was my Sydney but if the information I have about his death May 21, 1826 Sierra Leone is correct it leaves a pretty narrow timeline. An entry made in family records does not rule out the possibility of its being incorrect (as I hardly need tell you). I have many such mistakes in a number of official documents re various family members. Thank you for taking an interest. Regards, Kate (Sydney, Australia)

It seems that some of those "siblings" were born in Bradford, Yorkshire. I need to look up the "Alumni" records of the two clergymen, which should hopefully identify their father. I will be back in touch when I've done that (unless someone else can do it sooner). Best wishes, John Townsend Antiquarian Bookseller/Genealogist http://www.johntownsend.demon.co.uk

On Thu, 09 May 2013 10:45:27 +0100, roy.stockdill@btinternet.com wrote: >I am pleased to announce that the latest blog in my series of "Famous >family trees" is now online at: >http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/2013/05/famous-family-trees-michael-kitch >en/ > >The subject is that wonderful actor MICHAEL KITCHEN, who plays >Detective Superintended Christopher Foyle so superbly in Foyle's War, >the wartime crime series set in Hastings. > >Leicestershire-Plus list members may be particularly interested in >this because Michael Kitchen was born in Leicester in 1948, his >father was also born in Wand Street, Leicester, in 1921 and the >family appear to have moved to Leicester some time between the >censuses of 1881 and 1891. > >However, they originated at Welby in Lincolnshire (NOT the >Leicestershire Welby) and I found the marriage of his >great-great-grandparents at St Bartholomew's, Welby, in 1837. > >In true Foyle style, I even managed to solve a small mystery in >Kitchen's family tree along the way! Again an interesting report, thank you. Mick.IOW.

"Richard van Schaik" wrote in message news:kmbo9m$hpd$1@dont-email.me... On 07-05-2013 8:23, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: > In message <1tocub87e2ygv.grzvcnctdg9j$.dlg@40tude.net>, Terry Wells > <terrywells@csi.com> writes: >> On Sat, 4 May 2013 17:21:08 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: >> >>> In message <1v11cubjr6itd.1668cbjdxv13w.dlg@40tude.net>, Terry >>> Wells >>> <terrywells@csi.com> writes: >>>> Interesting article from the BBC today >>>> >>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22340193 >>>> >>> Yes, it is. Coldstream guardsman's remains found on a Dutch >>> beach - but >>> from 1799, not WWII. And the efforts to identify. >>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Terry Wells >>> (You need a space after the "--".) >> >> I believe I put d.1799 in the Subject line. Why did you bring up >> WWII? > > I didn't spot it in the subject line, my error! :Don't think so (not your error). Subject lines are the appetizer to lead :people to your mail / post. They do not function in bringing the :message. The message itself should contain all relevant information. :Richard I've always seen the subject line as the title of the message, and thus read as part of it. There isn't any one way. Lesley Robertson

Roy Stockdill wrote:   <snip> > I did however come across a similar report of the marriage from a New > Zealand newspaper and that said the couple were proposing to live in > the West County (the UK presumably). <snip>       Which sounds like Gloucestershire, given that one branch of the family used Cheltenham College, and the Irish have a history of support for Cheltenham Races.   Horse racing might be an avenue to pursue.       Chris

roy.stockdill@btinternet.com wrote: : From: Dennis Ahern <ahern@world.std.com> :> roy.stockdill@btinternet.com wrote: :> :> : Charming story, Dennis. However, it seems to have taken a while to :> : reach the ears of the Cardiff Evening Express for according to the :> : entry at FreeBMD the marriage took place more than a year earlier :> - :> : not "the other day", and the groom's name was spelt incorrectly. :> :> : Marriages Jun 1895 :> : MACFARLANE Thomas James Brentford 3a 220 :> : Thornhill Kathleen Jane B Brentford 3a 220 :> :> : Unless, of course, the date of the publication has been :> : mistranscribed. :> :> I went back and checked. The surname typo is in the original and the :> date of publication is correct. :> :> The 2002 edition of the Mallow Field Club Journal has an article on :> the "Thornhill, Badham-Thornhill Family of Castlekevin" by Jane Hills :> :> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlmahs/mfcj20.htm> : Yes, I saw that reference and Googling produces quite a bit on the : Badham-Thornhill family of Castlekevin, Mallow, which makes it : slightly odd that I couldn't find Thomas James Macfarlane or his wife : in the 1901-1911 censuses of Ireland online. I just read the article and it doesn't mention Kathleen. : I did however come across a similar report of the marriage from a New : Zealand newspaper and that said the couple were proposing to live in : the West County (the UK presumably). As I said in a previous message : I found a Kathleen Macfarlane of probably the right age, born in : Ireland, married but no husband present, in London in 1901 but I : couldn't say if it was the same woman. The author of the Mallow Field Club Journal article is from Australia, which is where her part of the family emigrated. Could Kathleen and her husband also have emigrated to Australia, or New Zealand? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Mallow Archaeological & Historical Society Acton, Massachusetts | Charles Mortell, Ballyellis, Mallow, Co. Cork ahern@world.std.com | http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlmahs/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

From: Dennis Ahern <ahern@world.std.com> > roy.stockdill@btinternet.com wrote: > > : Charming story, Dennis. However, it seems to have taken a while to > : reach the ears of the Cardiff Evening Express for according to the > : entry at FreeBMD the marriage took place more than a year earlier > - > : not "the other day", and the groom's name was spelt incorrectly. > > : Marriages Jun 1895 > : MACFARLANE Thomas James Brentford 3a 220 > : Thornhill Kathleen Jane B Brentford 3a 220 > > : Unless, of course, the date of the publication has been > : mistranscribed. > > I went back and checked. The surname typo is in the original and the > date of publication is correct. > > The 2002 edition of the Mallow Field Club Journal has an article on > the "Thornhill, Badham-Thornhill Family of Castlekevin" by Jane Hills > > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlmahs/mfcj20.htm> Yes, I saw that reference and Googling produces quite a bit on the Badham-Thornhill family of Castlekevin, Mallow, which makes it slightly odd that I couldn't find Thomas James Macfarlane or his wife in the 1901-1911 censuses of Ireland online. Perhaps someone else has had better luck? I did however come across a similar report of the marriage from a New Zealand newspaper and that said the couple were proposing to live in the West County (the UK presumably). As I said in a previous message I found a Kathleen Macfarlane of probably the right age, born in Ireland, married but no husband present, in London in 1901 but I couldn't say if it was the same woman. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Kate, We may be able to help you better if you supply a little more information. What is the source for his death in Sierra Leone, May 1826, aged 23? What were the names of the two brothers who were "Ministers of the Church and one a Naval officer"? I can see a David Simpson who was in St. Clement Danes, who may possibly have died about 1820 (as you suggested). Best wishes, John Townsend Antiquarian Bookseller/Genealogist http://www.johntownsend.demon.co.uk

I am pleased to announce that the latest blog in my series of "Famous family trees" is now online at: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/2013/05/famous-family-trees-michael-kitch en/ The subject is that wonderful actor MICHAEL KITCHEN, who plays Detective Superintended Christopher Foyle so superbly in Foyle's War, the wartime crime series set in Hastings. Leicestershire-Plus list members may be particularly interested in this because Michael Kitchen was born in Leicester in 1948, his father was also born in Wand Street, Leicester, in 1921 and the family appear to have moved to Leicester some time between the censuses of 1881 and 1891. However, they originated at Welby in Lincolnshire (NOT the Leicestershire Welby) and I found the marriage of his great-great-grandparents at St Bartholomew's, Welby, in 1837. In true Foyle style, I even managed to solve a small mystery in Kitchen's family tree along the way! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

On Wed, 08 May 2013 12:20:56 +0100, Ian Goddard <goddai01@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: >roy.stockdill@btinternet.com wrote: >> From: Ian Goddard <goddai01@hotmail.co.uk> >> Subject: Re: Frederick Algernon Lockhart >> Date sent: Wed, 08 May 2013 10:26:55 +0100 >> To: genbrit@rootsweb.com >> >>> Gerry wrote: >>>> I'm hoping someone can help find the parents of Frederick >>> Algernon Lockhart born in 1877 (family has birth place as Brighton) but >>> the FreeBMD index has the birth in the Edmonton District, Middlesex, >>>> England, their entry is: >>>> >>>> Births registered in October, November, and December 1877, pg. >>> 329 >>>> >>>> Lockhart, Frederick Algernon >>>> District: Edmonton >>>> Volume: 3a, page 225 >>>> >>>> Is there a resource where I can see the original birth entry? >>> >>> Go back to FreeBMD & find the record again. Just below it is the >>> instruction >>> >>> Click here to learn what to do now. >>> >>> The word "learn" is a link. Click on it & it will eventually lead >>> you to the page where you can order a paper copy of the register entry >>> from GRO. Unfortunately there's no resource to view it on-line.> >> >> Gerry could, however, obtain a copy of the marriage certificate of >> Frederick's parents, William Edward Lockhart and Emma Castleton, >> which is online at Ancestry's London Parish Records website, >> http://landing.ancestry.co.uk/lma/ > >In his OP he says he's a US-only sub so maybe LMA isn't available. > Only available on a "Worldwide" sub. I'm not sure if that excludes it from the Library Edition or not.

roy.stockdill@btinternet.com wrote: : Charming story, Dennis. However, it seems to have taken a while to : reach the ears of the Cardiff Evening Express for according to the : entry at FreeBMD the marriage took place more than a year earlier - : not "the other day", and the groom's name was spelt incorrectly. : Marriages Jun 1895 : MACFARLANE Thomas James Brentford 3a 220 : Thornhill Kathleen Jane B Brentford 3a 220 : Unless, of course, the date of the publication has been : mistranscribed. I went back and checked. The surname typo is in the original and the date of publication is correct. The 2002 edition of the Mallow Field Club Journal has an article on the "Thornhill, Badham-Thornhill Family of Castlekevin" by Jane Hills http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlmahs/mfcj20.htm - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Mallow Archaeological & Historical Society Acton, Massachusetts | Charles Mortell, Ballyellis, Mallow, Co. Cork ahern@world.std.com | http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlmahs/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

roy.stockdill@btinternet.com wrote: > From: Ian Goddard <goddai01@hotmail.co.uk> > Subject: Re: Frederick Algernon Lockhart > Date sent: Wed, 08 May 2013 10:26:55 +0100 > To: genbrit@rootsweb.com > >> Gerry wrote: >>> I'm hoping someone can help find the parents of Frederick >> Algernon Lockhart born in 1877 (family has birth place as Brighton) but >> the FreeBMD index has the birth in the Edmonton District, Middlesex, >>> England, their entry is: >>> >>> Births registered in October, November, and December 1877, pg. >> 329 >>> >>> Lockhart, Frederick Algernon >>> District: Edmonton >>> Volume: 3a, page 225 >>> >>> Is there a resource where I can see the original birth entry? >> >> Go back to FreeBMD & find the record again. Just below it is the >> instruction >> >> Click here to learn what to do now. >> >> The word "learn" is a link. Click on it & it will eventually lead >> you to the page where you can order a paper copy of the register entry >> from GRO. Unfortunately there's no resource to view it on-line.> > > Gerry could, however, obtain a copy of the marriage certificate of > Frederick's parents, William Edward Lockhart and Emma Castleton, > which is online at Ancestry's London Parish Records website, > http://landing.ancestry.co.uk/lma/ In his OP he says he's a US-only sub so maybe LMA isn't available. -- Ian The Hotmail address is my spam-bin. Real mail address is iang at austonley org uk

From: Ian Goddard <goddai01@hotmail.co.uk> Subject: Re: Frederick Algernon Lockhart Date sent: Wed, 08 May 2013 10:26:55 +0100 To: genbrit@rootsweb.com > Gerry wrote: > > I'm hoping someone can help find the parents of Frederick > Algernon Lockhart born in 1877 (family has birth place as Brighton) but > the FreeBMD index has the birth in the Edmonton District, Middlesex, > > England, their entry is: > > > > Births registered in October, November, and December 1877, pg. > 329 > > > > Lockhart, Frederick Algernon > > District: Edmonton > > Volume: 3a, page 225 > > > > Is there a resource where I can see the original birth entry? > > Go back to FreeBMD & find the record again. Just below it is the > instruction > > Click here to learn what to do now. > > The word "learn" is a link. Click on it & it will eventually lead > you to the page where you can order a paper copy of the register entry > from GRO. Unfortunately there's no resource to view it on-line.> Gerry could, however, obtain a copy of the marriage certificate of Frederick's parents, William Edward Lockhart and Emma Castleton, which is online at Ancestry's London Parish Records website, http://landing.ancestry.co.uk/lma/ The marriage was at Shoreditch, Middlesex, in 1860. However, he would of course need an Ancestry subscription or he could access it free at his local library if they offer Ancestry there. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

From: Gerry <xyz@abc.com> > I'm hoping someone can help find the parents of Frederick Algernon > Lockhart born in 1877 (family has birth place as Brighton) but the > FreeBMD index has the birth in the Edmonton District, Middlesex, > England, their entry is: > > Births registered in October, November, and December 1877, pg. 329 > > Lockhart, Frederick Algernon > District: Edmonton > Volume: 3a, page 225 > > Is there a resource where I can see the original birth entry? > > He was supposedly born in late August 1877, would his birth be > recorded as late as the last quarter of the year? He died in San Francisco, > California 3 Feb 1960.> It was very common for someone born in a particular quarter not to be registered until the following quarter or even later. The official registration period is supposed to be within 42 days of the birth but this was often exceeded. I myself was born in July 1940 but not registered until the following January 1941, some six months later - probably because it was wartime and my parents were more worried about Adolf Hitler and forgot! You have been given details by others of Frederick's baptism in Sussex. It is perfectly possible he was born in Edmonton, Middlesex, and baptised elsewhere later if his parents moved in the meantime. Although, as you have also been told, the family appear still at Edmonton in the 1881 census and Frederick's birthplace is shown as Tottenham. However, in the next census of 1891 they were living at Portslade, Sussex. His father was William E Lockhart and his mother was Emma. It would seem they did moved around a bit because the eldest son is shown as being born in Norfolk, the next three children at Loughton, Essex, the fifth at Walthamstow, Essex, and finally Frederick at Tottenham. The fact that the eldest child John was born circa 1869 (ages on censuses are often a year or two out) indicates the parents married before or around that date. What you then do is go to FreeBMD and look for it. If you're not familiat with FreeBMD, it's a vast website with millions of births, marriages and deaths entries from the very earliest time of civil registration coming in in 1837 up to well into the 20th century. As the name indicates, it's free and can be accessed at: http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl This produces a likely marriage between WILLIAM EDWARD LOCKHART and EMMA CASTLETON at Shoreditch registration district (which is in the East End of London) in the June quarter of 1860 (vol 1c page 512). You can use this reference to apply for a copy of the marriage certificate online from the General Register Office for England and Wales, which will cost you £9.25 in sterling. Go to: http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp and register, then follow the instructions to order a certificate. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

http://www.freecen.org.uk/ "Gerry" <xyz@abc.com> wrote in message news:xyz-B85840.17241607052013@news.eternal-september.org... > In article <kmbqb7$jen$1@speranza.aioe.org>, > john <john1@s145802280.onlinehome.fr> wrote: > >> On 07/05/2013 22:45, Gerry wrote: >> > I'm hoping someone can help find the parents of Frederick Algernon >> > Lockhart born in 1877 (family has birth place as Brighton) but the >> > FreeBMD index has the birth in the Edmonton District, Middlesex, >> > England, their entry is: >> > >> > Births registered in October, November, and December 1877, pg. 329 >> > >> > Lockhart, Frederick Algernon >> > District: Edmonton >> > Volume: 3a, page 225 >> > >> > Is there a resource where I can see the original birth entry? >> > >> > He was supposedly born in late August 1877, would his birth be recorded >> > as late as the last quarter of the year? He died in San Francisco, >> > California 3 Feb 1960. >> > >> > I have a United States only subscription to ancestry.com so can share >> > US >> > research with those with only British Isles subscriptions. >> > >> > Thanks for any assistance, >> > >> > Gerry Wright >> > San Francisco, California >> > >> >> You can find him in the free 1881 census Piece: 1385 Folio: 125 Page: 19 >> Father William E, mother Emma along with five siblings. The census gives >> his birth place as Tottenham (which is within the Edmonton registration >> district). > > Where do I find the free 1881 census? > >> >> However https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NYZS-Z5H has his birth as >> 28 Aug 1877 and his christening on 5 Aug 1888, both in Portslade, Sussex >> (within Brighton)

Gerry wrote: > I'm hoping someone can help find the parents of Frederick Algernon > Lockhart born in 1877 (family has birth place as Brighton) but the > FreeBMD index has the birth in the Edmonton District, Middlesex, > England, their entry is: > > Births registered in October, November, and December 1877, pg. 329 > > Lockhart, Frederick Algernon > District: Edmonton > Volume: 3a, page 225 > > Is there a resource where I can see the original birth entry? Go back to FreeBMD & find the record again. Just below it is the instruction Click here to learn what to do now. The word "learn" is a link. Click on it & it will eventually lead you to the page where you can order a paper copy of the register entry from GRO. Unfortunately there's no resource to view it on-line. -- Ian The Hotmail address is my spam-bin. Real mail address is iang at austonley org uk

Date sent: Tue, 7 May 2013 19:04:34 +0100 (BST) > > Charming story, Dennis. However, it seems to have taken a while to > > reach the ears of the Cardiff Evening Express for according to the > > entry at FreeBMD the marriage took place more than a year earlier > - > > not "the other day", and the groom's name was spelt incorrectly. > > > Marriages Jun 1895    > > MACFARLANE Thomas James        Brentford    3a    220      > > Thornhill Kathleen Jane B        Brentford    3a    220 > > Unless, of course, the date of the publication has been > > mistranscribed. > > > I haven't found either of them in the 1901/1911 censuses of > Ireland. > > Wouldn't be the only time, Roy, that a newspaper has reported old > news.   :-) Touche!   > The Badham-Thornhill surname went through a few generations at my > old school, Cheltenham College. So I was intrigued, looked them up > and see that the motto on their coat of arms is: >   > 'Conquer or Die' >   > Miss Kathleen seems to have avoided death through an apt use of > refreshments.> Googling produces a good deal about the Badham-Thornhills in County Cork, where their family seat was at Castle Kevin, Mallow. Oddly, though, I haven't so far been able to find the birth of Kathleen Jane Badham Thornhill or any firm trace of her and her husband Thomas James Macfarlane after their marriage. There is in the 1901 census at 102 Westbourne Park Road, Paddington, a Kathleen Macfarlane, aged 34, born in Ireland, described as married but living alone at that time - no sign of Thomas. Whether this was THE Kathleen I couldn't say but I haven't found a death for either of them, either in the UK (though I confess I haven't checked Scotland) or Ireland. Maybe somebody else has tried and had more luck? -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE