On 10/05/2013 04:59, Kate wrote: > > > There is an item in the Insolvents section London Gazette, May 1825 Page > 869, (pointed out by skp) naming a Sydney Ward Simpson, he was a > Bookseller, > Moor (Mour) Street, Soho. > I have no idea if this was my Sydney but if the information I have about > his > death May 21, 1826 Sierra Leone is correct it leaves a pretty narrow > timeline. Double Christian names were not very common during this period, so I would guess this is your particular Sydney Ward Simpson, especially as he was a bookseller like other members of his family. If he was publicly named as a bankrupt, then you probably have the reason why he left England, though by the time the notice was published, he may already have left the country to prevent being chased by his creditors. People were dropping like flies in Sierra Leone at this time. He was probably one of them.

On 13/05/2013 15:21, Dennis Ahern wrote: > Serendipity in my case hinged on a fatefull cup of coffee. > > See http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~aherns/coffee.htm Very nice story - thanks, Dennis! Jon -- SPAM BLOCK IN USE! Replace 'deadspam' with 'green-lines' to email me.

"Anne Chambers" wrote in message news:avdpm8Fi3q9U1@mid.individual.net... Kate wrote: > > > Hi Renia > > Yes I have always noted the "female" and it's a sound idea but in > grandmother's Will he was definitely one of > her grandSONS (all being named) and as she was living with one of Sydney' > brothers, and named her > granddaughter Joanna, their sister, there hardly seems room for doubt > about gender. > > As you suggested I have been constantly searching for information about > West Africa, Sierra Leone, Freetown, I > have not been able to find anything specific relating to who was there on > a personal level. There were > Clergymen, Missionaries, Civil personnel, British Naval vessels trying to > intercept slave ships. I'm even > trying to search cemeteries. I can't even find ships taking passengers to > West Africa at that time. I'm fast > running out of ideas. > At present I'm searching Google books, It seems most documented > information relating to British presence, even > though the coastal area of SL was declared a British Colony around 1808, > came in later years. > > Always willing to listen to any new ideas and I thank you all for trying > to assist. > > Regards, Kate > (Sydney, Australia) > > Ancestry have the image, indexed as Timpson http://search.ancestry.co.uk/Browse/BookView.aspx?dbid=1624&iid=31281_A101442-00047 he is definitely 'son of' David & Elizabeth Simpson -- Anne Chambers South Australia anne dot chambers at bigpond dot com Good one Anne, thanks. I wondered how Family Search IGI had found it, I had searched those records so many times and with variations. Now all we have to do is find him yet again, this time at the end of his life. Regards, Kate (Sydney, Australia)

Kate wrote: > > > Hi Renia > > Yes I have always noted the "female" and it's a sound idea but in grandmother's Will he was definitely one of > her grandSONS (all being named) and as she was living with one of Sydney' brothers, and named her > granddaughter Joanna, their sister, there hardly seems room for doubt about gender. > > As you suggested I have been constantly searching for information about West Africa, Sierra Leone, Freetown, I > have not been able to find anything specific relating to who was there on a personal level. There were > Clergymen, Missionaries, Civil personnel, British Naval vessels trying to intercept slave ships. I'm even > trying to search cemeteries. I can't even find ships taking passengers to West Africa at that time. I'm fast > running out of ideas. > At present I'm searching Google books, It seems most documented information relating to British presence, even > though the coastal area of SL was declared a British Colony around 1808, came in later years. > > Always willing to listen to any new ideas and I thank you all for trying to assist. > > Regards, Kate > (Sydney, Australia) > > Ancestry have the image, indexed as Timpson http://search.ancestry.co.uk/Browse/BookView.aspx?dbid=1624&iid=31281_A101442-00047 he is definitely 'son of' David & Elizabeth Simpson -- Anne Chambers South Australia anne dot chambers at bigpond dot com

"Renia" wrote in message news:kmr132$jbp$1@speranza.aioe.org... On 12/05/2013 08:26, Kate wrote: > Hello John > > Thank you for taking the time to do these searches, however I have all > this information apart from their father's Will which is not important > at this stage as Sydney is a legatee in his grandmother' Will dated Oct > 1823, (I have downloaded the Will of the David Simpson you pointed out, > 1823 and it is incorrect, he lived in Stanhope Street, Clare Market, > possibly he was the Baker) she died 1829 and there was no codicil > altering any bequest even though Sydney had supposedly died in 1826. > > Have put Sydney' birth record on the following > http://s1235.photobucket.com/user/Catrina39/media/BirthSydneyWardSimpson001_zpsd3184844.jpg.html > > > It was extremely difficult trying to find Sydney on the England > 1538-1975 BDM' I took this from Family Search IGI, Ancestor/Pedigree, > they got it from the above. I note from the birth entry that Sydney Ward Simpson was female. I have often come across female Sydneys, Sidney being the male version. This suggests that she was alive and unmarried in 1823, when her grandmother wrote the will but that she had been out of England for so long, that the grandmother was unaware she had died by 1826. I think you need to examine the history of Sierra Leone. Sierra Leone became one of the British West African Territories in 1821. Perhaps Sydney married a missionary, or even one of the Governers or other staff. I note from the birth entry that Sydney Ward Simpson was female. I have often come across female Sydneys, Sidney being the male version. This suggests that she was alive and unmarried in 1823, when her grandmother wrote the will but that she had been out of England for so long, that the grandmother was unaware she had died by 1826. I think you need to examine the history of Sierra Leone. Sierra Leone became one of the British West African Territories in 1821. Perhaps Sydney married a missionary, or even one of the Governers or other staff. Hi Renia Yes I have always noted the "female" and it's a sound idea but in grandmother's Will he was definitely one of her grandSONS (all being named) and as she was living with one of Sydney' brothers, and named her granddaughter Joanna, their sister, there hardly seems room for doubt about gender. As you suggested I have been constantly searching for information about West Africa, Sierra Leone, Freetown, I have not been able to find anything specific relating to who was there on a personal level. There were Clergymen, Missionaries, Civil personnel, British Naval vessels trying to intercept slave ships. I'm even trying to search cemeteries. I can't even find ships taking passengers to West Africa at that time. I'm fast running out of ideas. At present I'm searching Google books, It seems most documented information relating to British presence, even though the coastal area of SL was declared a British Colony around 1808, came in later years. Always willing to listen to any new ideas and I thank you all for trying to assist. Regards, Kate (Sydney, Australia)

"Tony Proctor" <tony@proctor_NoMore_SPAM.net> wrote in message news:kk5ucg$l80$1@speranza.aioe.org... > Has Ancestry.co.uk's access to marriage records changed recently? I'm > pulling my hair out here but they insist it's al working "as designed". > <snip> > > Tony Proctor > > Normality has been resumed. The user interface has now been changed to accommodate multiple event types, and multiple roles, in the "Birth, Marriage, & Death, including Parish" section. Tony Proctor

"Alison Kilpatrick" wrote in message news:43ac53d7-b20d-4a8c-b6b8-a8ecccaf8587@googlegroups.com... Transcribed from the 13 May 1824 edition of The Enniskillen Chronicle & Erne Packet (Ireland) newspaper: Compunction.--One of the prisoners in the High Gaol, Exeter, against whom sentence of death was recorded, has, since the Assizes, made over the property of a house to a person of the name of Davenport, whose house he had robbed of £20 eleven years ago. =================== Does it say whether they still executed him? Lesley Robertson

Hello John My mistake in not expressing myself clearly. It was not my David Simpson. This man' wife's name was Mary Ann and there were no other bequests. Thank you for responding. Regards, Kate (Sydney, Australia) When you say: "[the Will] is incorrect, he lived in Stanhope Street, Clare Market" are you saying that his Will gives an incorrect address? I would not expect a Will which the testator had signed to have given an incorrect address, other than a manuscript copying error made when the Will was copied into the book. [Copying errors might include mis-transcription of a word (the original Will may have been difficult to read), sometimes skipping a word or (hopefully rarely) a line. Remember that 1823 is the date the Will was proved, not the date the testator died (that should be in the grant of probate after the Will) still less the date the Will was drawn up (which will be in the Will itself and may be many years before decease). Theerfore, the address at the time the Will was made may differ from the address at the time of decease. Also, if the deceased owned more than one property, he, or the executors who sought probate may have given his business address or a second residential address. The alternate address(es) may give you more clues about the testator. He may, however, have simply moved since making the Will. If however, his Will simply says "of [or "of the parish of"] "St.Clement Danes" as the address, this would not be unusual, and Stanhope Street Clare Market is almost certainly in that parish in 1823. Kind regards, John Henley > > Have put Sydney' birth record on the following > http://s1235.photobucket.com/user/Catrina39/media/BirthSydneyWardSimpson001_zpsd3184844.jpg.html > > It was extremely difficult trying to find Sydney on the England 1538-1975 > BDM' I took this from Family Search IGI, Ancestor/Pedigree, they got it > from > the above. > > The London Directory entry "officer to the sheriff of Middlesex" seems to > gel better with who the father David might have been. I looked for a Will > for him 1820 but was not able to find one. > > Very good of you to assist me with this and I really appreciate it. > > Regards, Kate > (Sydney, Australia) > > > "John Townsend" wrote in message news:jI8jt.32926$0F7.19103@fx27.fr7... > > Kate, three siblings were baptised at St. Dunstan in the West, 1796-1800, > of > David Simpson and Elizabeth, the abode being Child's Place. However, I > didn't spot a Sydney Ward Simpson. How do you know that he was another > sibling? > > In a 1811 London directory, David Simpson is listed at 4 Child's Place, > "officer to the sheriff of Middlesex". > > Venn has a record for George Philip Simpson: he was at Corpus Christi, > Cambridge (previously at St. Paul's School), marrying Frances, dau. of > William Olive, of Frome. > > I see two possible David Simpsons who died about 1820: > > a) bur. Chelsea, 21 May 1820, aged 66, (of King's Parade); > b) of St. Clement Danes, will in P.C.C., 1823. > > As Child's Place was off Fleet Street (near Temple Bar) and very close to > St. Clement Danes, it may be that the father of the siblings was the man > in > b) above. However, there was also a baker in St. Clement Danes of the > same > name (possibly the same person). You may wish to order a copy of that > will > to see whether it mentions Sydney Ward Simpson. > > Best wishes, > > John Townsend > Antiquarian Bookseller/Genealogist > http://www.johntownsend.demon.co.uk > > > >

On 12/05/2013 08:26, Kate wrote: > Hello John > > Thank you for taking the time to do these searches, however I have all > this information apart from their father's Will which is not important > at this stage as Sydney is a legatee in his grandmother' Will dated Oct > 1823, (I have downloaded the Will of the David Simpson you pointed out, > 1823 and it is incorrect, he lived in Stanhope Street, Clare Market, > possibly he was the Baker) she died 1829 and there was no codicil > altering any bequest even though Sydney had supposedly died in 1826. > > Have put Sydney' birth record on the following > http://s1235.photobucket.com/user/Catrina39/media/BirthSydneyWardSimpson001_zpsd3184844.jpg.html > > > It was extremely difficult trying to find Sydney on the England > 1538-1975 BDM' I took this from Family Search IGI, Ancestor/Pedigree, > they got it from the above. I note from the birth entry that Sydney Ward Simpson was female. I have often come across female Sydneys, Sidney being the male version. This suggests that she was alive and unmarried in 1823, when her grandmother wrote the will but that she had been out of England for so long, that the grandmother was unaware she had died by 1826. I think you need to examine the history of Sierra Leone. Sierra Leone became one of the British West African Territories in 1821. Perhaps Sydney married a missionary, or even one of the Governers or other staff.

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On Thursday, 21 March 2002 20:35:07 UTC, mcl wrote: > This may be a long shot, but is there anyone out there who is > connected to this family - my cousin and I have traced back to 1772, > but with a missing link. > > Thomas & William Lees owned the hat works in Stockport. Willliam > later became Mayor in 1889/90. > > > > FINGERS CROSSED! I'm directly related to Thomas and William, being the son of Anthony Lees - the last of the Lees family in the hatting industry in Stockport. dmblees@yahoo.com

Transcribed from the 13 May 1824 edition of The Enniskillen Chronicle & Erne Packet (Ireland) newspaper: Compunction.--One of the prisoners in the High Gaol, Exeter, against whom sentence of death was recorded, has, since the Assizes, made over the property of a house to a person of the name of Davenport, whose house he had robbed of £20 eleven years ago. ===================

Quite early on I came across Ebenezer, second son of Samuel Wimpenny of Hill, Upperthong, Almondbury parish WRY, bapt 29 Mar 1775, mother's name not given. The nearest marriage for a Samuel Wimpenny, in both time and place was to Lydia Newton in Dewsbury on 13 Sep 1772. This Lydia was described as being of Dewsbury in the marriage register. Dewsbury is 3 parishes away from Hill, 15 miles or more distant by road. Although there were a couple of sons of a William Newton were baptised in Dewsbury in 1753 & 1760 there is no recorded baptism of a Lydia Newton in that timeframe. There was a Lydia Newton, daughter of John, yeoman of Thongsbridge, Almondbury parish baptised at Honley chapel on 03 Apr 1749. Thongsbridge is quite close to Hill. Although she was a possible candidate as the bride there seemed no good reason, given the circumstances, to consider her more likely than some otherwise unrecorded Lydia born in Dewsbury. I left this line to one side - there were plenty of others to research. It remained untouched for many years. A few weeks ago the local history group published a book on schools in and around the village of New Mill in the adjacent (to Almondbury) parish of Kirkburton. This mentions that a John Newton was co-tennant (of the manor of Wakefield) and trustee of the site of a school founded in New Mill in 1694. This is also mentioned in Morehouse's history of Kirkburton & Holmfirth ( https://ia600201.us.archive.org/15/items/historyandtopog00moregoog/historyandtopog00moregoog.pdf ). However the new book goes on to say that the tenure remained in the Newton family until it passed to the husbands and descendants of the daughters, including Lydia, of John Newton of Thongsbridge who died in 1776. It then goes on to name Eli Wimpenny, Samuel's first son, as one of these descendants. This provided direct evidence to identify the Lydia of the 1772 marriage with the Lydia baptised in 1749. Given that evidence I was able to push back that line for several generations based on the Kirkburton PRs. Morehouse mentions that Lydia's father became bankrupt (about 1765 according to the London Gazette). This may explain why Lydia was living in Dewsbury at the time of her marriage. -- Ian The Hotmail address is my spam-bin. Real mail address is iang at austonley org uk

On Monday, May 13, 2013 1:19:47 AM UTC+2, Ian Goddard wrote: > Quite early on I came across Ebenezer, second son of Samuel Wimpenny of > > Hill, Upperthong, Almondbury parish WRY, bapt 29 Mar 1775, mother's name > > not given. > > > > The nearest marriage for a Samuel Wimpenny, in both time and place was > > to Lydia Newton in Dewsbury on 13 Sep 1772. This Lydia was described as > > being of Dewsbury in the marriage register. Dewsbury is 3 parishes away > > from Hill, 15 miles or more distant by road. Although there were a > > couple of sons of a William Newton were baptised in Dewsbury in 1753 & > > 1760 there is no recorded baptism of a Lydia Newton in that timeframe. > > There was a Lydia Newton, daughter of John, yeoman of Thongsbridge, > > Almondbury parish baptised at Honley chapel on 03 Apr 1749. > > Thongsbridge is quite close to Hill. Although she was a possible > > candidate as the bride there seemed no good reason, given the > > circumstances, to consider her more likely than some otherwise > > unrecorded Lydia born in Dewsbury. I left this line to one side - there > > were plenty of others to research. It remained untouched for many years. > > > > A few weeks ago the local history group published a book on schools in > > and around the village of New Mill in the adjacent (to Almondbury) > > parish of Kirkburton. This mentions that a John Newton was co-tennant > > (of the manor of Wakefield) and trustee of the site of a school founded > > in New Mill in 1694. This is also mentioned in Morehouse's history of > > Kirkburton & Holmfirth ( > > https://ia600201.us.archive.org/15/items/historyandtopog00moregoog/historyandtopog00moregoog.pdf > > ). > > > > However the new book goes on to say that the tenure remained in the > > Newton family until it passed to the husbands and descendants of the > > daughters, including Lydia, of John Newton of Thongsbridge who died in > > 1776. It then goes on to name Eli Wimpenny, Samuel's first son, as one > > of these descendants. This provided direct evidence to identify the > > Lydia of the 1772 marriage with the Lydia baptised in 1749. > > > > Given that evidence I was able to push back that line for several > > generations based on the Kirkburton PRs. Morehouse mentions that > > Lydia's father became bankrupt (about 1765 according to the London > > Gazette). This may explain why Lydia was living in Dewsbury at the time > > of her marriage. > > > > -- > > Ian > > > > The Hotmail address is my spam-bin. Real mail address is iang > > at austonley org uk It is really satisfying when the pieces come together isn't it! Especially when one can add flesh to the bones of the story rather than just have a list of dates. regards melanie

Hello John Thank you for taking the time to do these searches, however I have all this information apart from their father's Will which is not important at this stage as Sydney is a legatee in his grandmother' Will dated Oct 1823, (I have downloaded the Will of the David Simpson you pointed out, 1823 and it is incorrect, he lived in Stanhope Street, Clare Market, possibly he was the Baker) she died 1829 and there was no codicil altering any bequest even though Sydney had supposedly died in 1826. Have put Sydney' birth record on the following http://s1235.photobucket.com/user/Catrina39/media/BirthSydneyWardSimpson001_zpsd3184844.jpg.html It was extremely difficult trying to find Sydney on the England 1538-1975 BDM' I took this from Family Search IGI, Ancestor/Pedigree, they got it from the above. The London Directory entry "officer to the sheriff of Middlesex" seems to gel better with who the father David might have been. I looked for a Will for him 1820 but was not able to find one. Very good of you to assist me with this and I really appreciate it. Regards, Kate (Sydney, Australia) "John Townsend" wrote in message news:jI8jt.32926$0F7.19103@fx27.fr7... Kate, three siblings were baptised at St. Dunstan in the West, 1796-1800, of David Simpson and Elizabeth, the abode being Child's Place. However, I didn't spot a Sydney Ward Simpson. How do you know that he was another sibling? In a 1811 London directory, David Simpson is listed at 4 Child's Place, "officer to the sheriff of Middlesex". Venn has a record for George Philip Simpson: he was at Corpus Christi, Cambridge (previously at St. Paul's School), marrying Frances, dau. of William Olive, of Frome. I see two possible David Simpsons who died about 1820: a) bur. Chelsea, 21 May 1820, aged 66, (of King's Parade); b) of St. Clement Danes, will in P.C.C., 1823. As Child's Place was off Fleet Street (near Temple Bar) and very close to St. Clement Danes, it may be that the father of the siblings was the man in b) above. However, there was also a baker in St. Clement Danes of the same name (possibly the same person). You may wish to order a copy of that will to see whether it mentions Sydney Ward Simpson. Best wishes, John Townsend Antiquarian Bookseller/Genealogist http://www.johntownsend.demon.co.uk

Lesley Robertson wrote, Sunday, May 12, 2013 2:05 PM > a book (about microscopes) written written by Messrs Clay and Court. En tout cas, not about tennis, then.

On 12/05/2013 8:26 AM, Kate wrote: > Hello John > Thank you for taking the time to do these searches, however I have all this > information apart from their father's Will which is not important at this > stage as Sydney is a legatee in his grandmother' Will dated Oct 1823, (I > have downloaded the Will of the David Simpson you pointed out, 1823 and it > is incorrect, he lived in Stanhope Street, Clare Market, possibly he was the > Baker) she died 1829 and there was no codicil altering any bequest even > though Sydney had supposedly died in 1826. When you say: "[the Will] is incorrect, he lived in Stanhope Street, Clare Market" are you saying that his Will gives an incorrect address? I would not expect a Will which the testator had signed to have given an incorrect address, other than a manuscript copying error made when the Will was copied into the book. [Copying errors might include mis-transcription of a word (the original Will may have been difficult to read), sometimes skipping a word or (hopefully rarely) a line. Remember that 1823 is the date the Will was proved, not the date the testator died (that should be in the grant of probate after the Will) still less the date the Will was drawn up (which will be in the Will itself and may be many years before decease). Theerfore, the address at the time the Will was made may differ from the address at the time of decease. Also, if the deceased owned more than one property, he, or the executors who sought probate may have given his business address or a second residential address. The alternate address(es) may give you more clues about the testator. He may, however, have simply moved since making the Will. If however, his Will simply says "of [or "of the parish of"] "St.Clement Danes" as the address, this would not be unusual, and Stanhope Street Clare Market is almost certainly in that parish in 1823. Kind regards, John Henley > > Have put Sydney' birth record on the following > http://s1235.photobucket.com/user/Catrina39/media/BirthSydneyWardSimpson001_zpsd3184844.jpg.html > > It was extremely difficult trying to find Sydney on the England 1538-1975 > BDM' I took this from Family Search IGI, Ancestor/Pedigree, they got it from > the above. > > The London Directory entry "officer to the sheriff of Middlesex" seems to > gel better with who the father David might have been. I looked for a Will > for him 1820 but was not able to find one. > > Very good of you to assist me with this and I really appreciate it. > > Regards, Kate > (Sydney, Australia) > > > "John Townsend" wrote in message news:jI8jt.32926$0F7.19103@fx27.fr7... > > Kate, three siblings were baptised at St. Dunstan in the West, 1796-1800, of > David Simpson and Elizabeth, the abode being Child's Place. However, I > didn't spot a Sydney Ward Simpson. How do you know that he was another > sibling? > > In a 1811 London directory, David Simpson is listed at 4 Child's Place, > "officer to the sheriff of Middlesex". > > Venn has a record for George Philip Simpson: he was at Corpus Christi, > Cambridge (previously at St. Paul's School), marrying Frances, dau. of > William Olive, of Frome. > > I see two possible David Simpsons who died about 1820: > > a) bur. Chelsea, 21 May 1820, aged 66, (of King's Parade); > b) of St. Clement Danes, will in P.C.C., 1823. > > As Child's Place was off Fleet Street (near Temple Bar) and very close to > St. Clement Danes, it may be that the father of the siblings was the man in > b) above. However, there was also a baker in St. Clement Danes of the same > name (possibly the same person). You may wish to order a copy of that will > to see whether it mentions Sydney Ward Simpson. > > Best wishes, > > John Townsend > Antiquarian Bookseller/Genealogist > http://www.johntownsend.demon.co.uk > > > >

It's not a marriage, but I'm currently reading a book (about microscopes) written written by Messrs Clay and Court. Lesley Robertson

On 12/05/2013 08:26, Kate wrote: > Thank you for taking the time to do these searches, however I have all > this information apart from their father's Will which is not important > at this stage as Sydney is a legatee in his grandmother' Will dated Oct > 1823, (I have downloaded the Will of the David Simpson you pointed out, > 1823 and it is incorrect, he lived in Stanhope Street, Clare Market, > possibly he was the Baker) she died 1829 and there was no codicil > altering any bequest even though Sydney had supposedly died in 1826. I have (one of ) my great-grandfather's will in which he leaves money to his granddaughter who died two years before the will was written. Both families wereliving in Dartford so it's unlikely he didn't know. -- Graeme Wall This account not read, substitute trains for rail. Railway Miscellany at <http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail>

On Friday, 26 April 2013 12:23:02 UTC+1, Renia wrote: > On 26/04/2013 12:07, roy.stockdill@btinternet.com wrote: > > > > > And while we're on the subject of suitable names matched to > > > occupations, how about this one from the 1881 census at 3 Clydesdale > > > Road, Kensington..... > > > > > > ROBERT H CRUCIFIX, boarder, 29, Clergyman Without Cure of Souls > > > (RG11 piece 36 folio 126 page 33) > > > > I just love my husband's ancestress - Tryphena Scamp. Possibly one better comes in a branch of my 19C Devon family with two sisters named Tryphosa and Tryphena. The names originate in one of St.Paul's letters to the Romans 16:12.