On 18/05/2013 16:23, Geoff Pearson wrote: > Any one done a tree for our Nigel? The media say he has Huguenot > ancestors but Ancestry also shows he has German gg grandparents from > Frankfurt named Schrod - and they seem to be the origin of his > stockbroking. They were born around 1840 and judging by the names we > might expect they moved because of Jewish origins and problems there > from. So a fairly cosmopolitan ancestry - out of line with his > immigration policies. Of course I may have the wrong strand, in which > case apologies to whomsoever feels they are due but this looks like the > right family. Perhaps his current German wife can check? His great-grandfather was Daniel Savory Farage who married Lucy Susannah Moynihan in 1883 in the Islington district. They had 11 children, all still living in 1911, by which time, Lucy was a widow, so her marital details were crossed out. Daniel Savory Farage was born in 1845 in the Croydon area, son of Edward Farage and Sarah Savory, who married at Newington on 30th April, 1840. Edward was a police constable and was a police witness in this Old Bailey case of 1838: http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?path=sessionsPapers%2F18380101.xml Edward does not appear on the 1841 census with his wife, Sarah, who was then living with her mother, Martha Savory, and her baby son, William. But they were in other censuses together, where Edward was stated to be born in Mitcham or Croydon around 1813. Edward Feridge was baptised 12th December 1813 at Mitcham, Surrey, son of Edward Feridge and Maria. In 1841, Edward Farage age 61, and Maria were living in Carshalton where Edward was a brickmaker. Edward Ferridge married Maria Clark at Saint John The Baptist, Croydon, Surrey on 1st April 1804. Edward Ferridge was baptised in Mitcham, Surrey 28th November 1779, son of Daniel. So it looks like the surname Farage devolved from Ferridge. If there are any Huguenot ancestors, they may be through the Savory family. Harry Farage or Farrage was son of Daniel Savory Farage, and he married Gladys Schrod in Bromley in 1927. In 1911, he was a stockbroker's clerk.

On Monday, May 20, 2013 3:25:13 AM UTC+3, Renia wrote: > > > His great-grandfather was Daniel Savory Farage who married Lucy Susannah > > Moynihan in 1883 in the Islington district. They had 11 children, all > > still living in 1911, by which time, Lucy was a widow, so her marital > > details were crossed out. Through this marriage Nigel Farage is related to artist Rodrigo Moynihan (1910-1990); I researched the latter's ancestry a couple of years ago for a member of the family, and was amused to find the Farage link.

Anne Chambers wrote: Oops, sorry, Mary Jane, not Mary Ann, wrong family Try this one 1911 census Class: RG14; Piece: 1866. 72 Hamilton Square, Bermondsey James John Gearey 41 General labourer b Lambeth Mary Jane Gearey 44 Office Cleaner b Kings Lynn Norfolk married 13 years, one child, living Stanley Duncan Dolling Boarder 3 rooms Marriages Jun 1898 Gearey James John St Saviour 1d 169 Harrod Mary Jane St. Saviour 1d 169 -- Anne Chambers South Australia anne dot chambers at bigpond dot com

Veronica I Barr wrote: > In an old family writing box there's a note of Mary Jane GEAREY's O(ld) > A(ge) Pension No. the adhesive slip of paper is dated Nov 6th, 1927. On > another slip of paper there's Mary Jane's and James John's (GEAREY) > P.O.S.B.B. numbers (Post Office Savings Bank Book). > > > > Are there any family members out there? I know they are my great aunt and > uncle. Don't know whether they are both unmarried or Mary is married to > James. Has anyone a clue where I can find their death dates? James was > born in 1868 - ten years before my grandmother (Ada Florence). > > > > Thank you for your time. 1911 census Class: RG14; Piece: 1262. 12 Nelson Street, City Road, EC James Gearey 43 General Labourer b Marylebone Mary Ann Gearey 44 b St Luke, London married 23 years, 6 Children, 4 living Georgina Gearey 18 Machinist Undercloth (sic), looks like 'es' below St Luke Alice Gearey 16 Box maker (cardboard) St Luke Ethel Gearey 13 St Luke James P Gearey 8 St Luke living in 2 rooms, 1st floor Marriages Mar 1888 GEAREY James Francis Holborn 1b 751 HARROLD Mary Ann Holborn 1b 751 -- Anne Chambers South Australia anne dot chambers at bigpond dot com

On 19/05/2013 17:34, Charles Ellson wrote: >> Mr Farage is said to have said there was an error in a marriage certificate >> >around 1890 and before that the name was Farridge - I don't see the evidence >> >for that. >> > > Possibly an error that didn't actually change anything (e.g. father's > surname mis-spelled or spelled his own way but still "Farage" on > previous records) like my [g?]ggggf's marriage registration which > manages one spelling error and two variations (Ellison, Ellson, Elson) > of the surname (wrongly named as "Ellison", "the mark of nnn Elson", > witness signed as "Ellson" or similar combination). Reminds me of the different pronunciations of "garage" -- Phil C.

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On Sun, 19 May 2013 13:48:56 +0100, "Geoff Pearson" <gspearson1647@hotmail.com> wrote: > ><roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> wrote in message >news:mailman.0.1368957764.3019.genbrit@rootsweb.com... >> From: "Geoff Pearson" <gspearson1647@hotmail.com> >> >>> Any one done a tree for our Nigel? The media say he has Huguenot >>> ancestors >>> but Ancestry also shows he has German gg grandparents from Frankfurt >>> named >>> Schrod - and they seem to be the origin of his stockbroking. They were >>> born >>> around 1840 and judging by the names we might expect they moved because >>> of >>> Jewish origins and problems there from. So a fairly cosmopolitan >>> ancestry - >>> out of line with his immigration policies. Of course I may have the >>> wrong >>> strand, in which case apologies to whomsoever feels they are due but this >>> looks like the right family. Perhaps his current German wife can check?> >> >> One of those internet bucket shop genealogy houses - no names, no pack >> drill, >> but you can probably guess which one I mean - claims the surname Farage >> has its >> origins in the Western Highlands of Scotland and derives from the old name >> MacFergus, meaning "son of Fergus". >> >> If true, this makes poor old Nigel's reception in Edinburgh at the hands >> of a >> bunch of Scottish fascist loons - as some of the media put it - a little >> ironic! >> >> However, I am sure most listers here know the disdain with which I regard >> these >> bucket shop genealogists and their so-called surname definitions. A >> somewhat >> weightier and more reliable source, the Oxford Dictionary of Surnames by >> Hanks >> and Hodges, doesn't actually mention Farage but gets pretty close with >> FARGE >> and FARGUE, which is says is a variant of FORGE, an English and French >> topgraphic name derived from someone who near a forge or smithy, which >> seems >> somewhat more possible to me. >> >> However, I am healthily sceptical about many surname definition sources >> since I >> suspect many are based simply on etymological connections that may or may >> not >> exist, and pure guesswork! >> >> I may take a look at him, Geoff, possibly even for my online Famous family >> trees blog, as he is becoming quite a well-known national character. >> >> -- >> Roy Stockdill >> Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer >> Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ >> >> "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, >> and that is not being talked about." >> OSCAR WILDE >> >> >> >> > >Mr Farage is said to have said there was an error in a marriage certificate >around 1890 and before that the name was Farridge - I don't see the evidence >for that. > Possibly an error that didn't actually change anything (e.g. father's surname mis-spelled or spelled his own way but still "Farage" on previous records) like my [g?]ggggf's marriage registration which manages one spelling error and two variations (Ellison, Ellson, Elson) of the surname (wrongly named as "Ellison", "the mark of nnn Elson", witness signed as "Ellson" or similar combination). >However, there is some evidence that his ill-informed visit to >this country has boosted the independence vote chances - at least 53% of >Scots don't want to to leave Europe, so if England does leave, Scotland >might not, which will confuse the Euro-lawyers. So Roy, enjoy your forage >for Farage or Farridge, you may show he is a Herr today and gone tomorrow >politician! Pity poor Mr Cameron to have to deal with all this and run the >country.

<roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> wrote in message news:mailman.0.1368957764.3019.genbrit@rootsweb.com... > From: "Geoff Pearson" <gspearson1647@hotmail.com> > >> Any one done a tree for our Nigel? The media say he has Huguenot >> ancestors >> but Ancestry also shows he has German gg grandparents from Frankfurt >> named >> Schrod - and they seem to be the origin of his stockbroking. They were >> born >> around 1840 and judging by the names we might expect they moved because >> of >> Jewish origins and problems there from. So a fairly cosmopolitan >> ancestry - >> out of line with his immigration policies. Of course I may have the >> wrong >> strand, in which case apologies to whomsoever feels they are due but this >> looks like the right family. Perhaps his current German wife can check?> > > One of those internet bucket shop genealogy houses - no names, no pack > drill, > but you can probably guess which one I mean - claims the surname Farage > has its > origins in the Western Highlands of Scotland and derives from the old name > MacFergus, meaning "son of Fergus". > > If true, this makes poor old Nigel's reception in Edinburgh at the hands > of a > bunch of Scottish fascist loons - as some of the media put it - a little > ironic! > > However, I am sure most listers here know the disdain with which I regard > these > bucket shop genealogists and their so-called surname definitions. A > somewhat > weightier and more reliable source, the Oxford Dictionary of Surnames by > Hanks > and Hodges, doesn't actually mention Farage but gets pretty close with > FARGE > and FARGUE, which is says is a variant of FORGE, an English and French > topgraphic name derived from someone who near a forge or smithy, which > seems > somewhat more possible to me. > > However, I am healthily sceptical about many surname definition sources > since I > suspect many are based simply on etymological connections that may or may > not > exist, and pure guesswork! > > I may take a look at him, Geoff, possibly even for my online Famous family > trees blog, as he is becoming quite a well-known national character. > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer > Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > > Mr Farage is said to have said there was an error in a marriage certificate around 1890 and before that the name was Farridge - I don't see the evidence for that. However, there is some evidence that his ill-informed visit to this country has boosted the independence vote chances - at least 53% of Scots don't want to to leave Europe, so if England does leave, Scotland might not, which will confuse the Euro-lawyers. So Roy, enjoy your forage for Farage or Farridge, you may show he is a Herr today and gone tomorrow politician! Pity poor Mr Cameron to have to deal with all this and run the country.

On 16/05/2013 23:20, Veronica I Barr wrote: > In an old family writing box there's a note of Mary Jane GEAREY's O(ld) > A(ge) Pension No. the adhesive slip of paper is dated Nov 6th, 1927. On > another slip of paper there's Mary Jane's and James John's (GEAREY) > P.O.S.B.B. numbers (Post Office Savings Bank Book). As John said, in the 1901 census there is a James J Gearey age 32 born Lambeth, London, England and Mary J Gearey age 38 born Kings Lynn, Norfolk, England together in Bermondsey. Listed as Head and Wife. James appears to be listed in one member tree at Ancestry but you would need to check.

From: "Geoff Pearson" <gspearson1647@hotmail.com> > Any one done a tree for our Nigel? The media say he has Huguenot ancestors > but Ancestry also shows he has German gg grandparents from Frankfurt named > Schrod - and they seem to be the origin of his stockbroking. They were born > around 1840 and judging by the names we might expect they moved because of > Jewish origins and problems there from. So a fairly cosmopolitan ancestry - > out of line with his immigration policies. Of course I may have the wrong > strand, in which case apologies to whomsoever feels they are due but this > looks like the right family. Perhaps his current German wife can check?> One of those internet bucket shop genealogy houses - no names, no pack drill, but you can probably guess which one I mean - claims the surname Farage has its origins in the Western Highlands of Scotland and derives from the old name MacFergus, meaning "son of Fergus". If true, this makes poor old Nigel's reception in Edinburgh at the hands of a bunch of Scottish fascist loons - as some of the media put it - a little ironic! However, I am sure most listers here know the disdain with which I regard these bucket shop genealogists and their so-called surname definitions. A somewhat weightier and more reliable source, the Oxford Dictionary of Surnames by Hanks and Hodges, doesn't actually mention Farage but gets pretty close with FARGE and FARGUE, which is says is a variant of FORGE, an English and French topgraphic name derived from someone who near a forge or smithy, which seems somewhat more possible to me. However, I am healthily sceptical about many surname definition sources since I suspect many are based simply on etymological connections that may or may not exist, and pure guesswork! I may take a look at him, Geoff, possibly even for my online Famous family trees blog, as he is becoming quite a well-known national character. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

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Any one done a tree for our Nigel? The media say he has Huguenot ancestors but Ancestry also shows he has German gg grandparents from Frankfurt named Schrod - and they seem to be the origin of his stockbroking. They were born around 1840 and judging by the names we might expect they moved because of Jewish origins and problems there from. So a fairly cosmopolitan ancestry - out of line with his immigration policies. Of course I may have the wrong strand, in which case apologies to whomsoever feels they are due but this looks like the right family. Perhaps his current German wife can check? G

On 17/05/2013 00:20, Veronica I Barr wrote: > In an old family writing box there's a note of Mary Jane GEAREY's O(ld) > A(ge) Pension No. the adhesive slip of paper is dated Nov 6th, 1927. On > another slip of paper there's Mary Jane's and James John's (GEAREY) > P.O.S.B.B. numbers (Post Office Savings Bank Book). > > > > Are there any family members out there? I know they are my great aunt and > uncle. Don't know whether they are both unmarried or Mary is married to > James. Has anyone a clue where I can find their death dates? James was > born in 1868 - ten years before my grandmother (Ada Florence). > > > > Thank you for your time. > > If you search FreeBMD http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl you will find the answer to your query concerning whether James John and Mary Jane were married and also when they died. They are both in the 1901 and 1911 censuses.

jakob.furst@gmail.com wrote: > Looking for identity/parentage of a Rebecca Howard "of prince's street, Lancaster", daughter of an unknown Howard and his wife Elizabeth. She married planter Richard Tuite who died in 1748 and later remarried John Carter, m.d. She was probably born in the second half of the 17th century. Her will is dated 1756 and then she was living in Prince's street, London. > > Would highly appreciate any help with this since I've hit rather a dead end and have been trying to find her for quite a while. Any kind souls out there to give me a hand? > How contemporary is the record which says "of prince's street, Lancaster". I'm struck by the coincidence of two streets of the same name in places which start with the same letter. Streetmap.co.uk's gazetteer doesn't have a modern Princes St, Lancaster. Could there be a transcription error somewhere? Also what spelling variations have you looked at? In my part of the world, West Yorks, the spelling "Howard" only becomes universal in the C19th; in the C17th it's usually "Heward", "Heaward" or "Heyward". Other possible variations could include "Howarth" or "Heywood". -- Ian The Hotmail address is my spam-bin. Real mail address is iang at austonley org uk

Looking for identity/parentage of a Rebecca Howard "of prince's street, Lancaster", daughter of an unknown Howard and his wife Elizabeth. She married planter Richard Tuite who died in 1748 and later remarried John Carter, m.d. She was probably born in the second half of the 17th century. Her will is dated 1756 and then she was living in Prince's street, London. Would highly appreciate any help with this since I've hit rather a dead end and have been trying to find her for quite a while. Any kind souls out there to give me a hand?

In an old family writing box there's a note of Mary Jane GEAREY's O(ld) A(ge) Pension No. the adhesive slip of paper is dated Nov 6th, 1927. On another slip of paper there's Mary Jane's and James John's (GEAREY) P.O.S.B.B. numbers (Post Office Savings Bank Book). Are there any family members out there? I know they are my great aunt and uncle. Don't know whether they are both unmarried or Mary is married to James. Has anyone a clue where I can find their death dates? James was born in 1868 - ten years before my grandmother (Ada Florence). Thank you for your time.

Oops, sorry, moved top posting to bottom of page. Kate "Renia" wrote in message news:kmu62l$bfn$1@speranza.aioe.org... On 10/05/2013 04:59, Kate wrote: > > > There is an item in the Insolvents section London Gazette, May 1825 Page > 869, (pointed out by skp) naming a Sydney Ward Simpson, he was a > Bookseller, > Moor (Mour) Street, Soho. > I have no idea if this was my Sydney but if the information I have about > his > death May 21, 1826 Sierra Leone is correct it leaves a pretty narrow > timeline. Double Christian names were not very common during this period, so I would guess this is your particular Sydney Ward Simpson, especially as he was a bookseller like other members of his family. If he was publicly named as a bankrupt, then you probably have the reason why he left England, though by the time the notice was published, he may already have left the country to prevent being chased by his creditors. People were dropping like flies in Sierra Leone at this time. He was probably one of them.

This was always a possible reason when the item was first pointed out to me but this was not a poor family "Renia" wrote in message news:kmu62l$bfn$1@speranza.aioe.org... On 10/05/2013 04:59, Kate wrote: > > > There is an item in the Insolvents section London Gazette, May 1825 Page > 869, (pointed out by skp) naming a Sydney Ward Simpson, he was a > Bookseller, > Moor (Mour) Street, Soho. > I have no idea if this was my Sydney but if the information I have about > his > death May 21, 1826 Sierra Leone is correct it leaves a pretty narrow > timeline. Double Christian names were not very common during this period, so I would guess this is your particular Sydney Ward Simpson, especially as he was a bookseller like other members of his family. If he was publicly named as a bankrupt, then you probably have the reason why he left England, though by the time the notice was published, he may already have left the country to prevent being chased by his creditors. People were dropping like flies in Sierra Leone at this time. He was probably one of them. This was always a possible reason why he might have left the country when the item was first pointed out to me but this was not a poor family it seems quite possible his creditors would have been dealt with. He could have felt ashamed of course but it still leaves us in the dark. I think I will just put Sydney to bed and move on to something equally as hard, like one of my 5xgt grandparents, there are some you just have to let go. I thank you all for your input, always good to have your ideas and one learns a little more with each search. Regards, Kate (Sydney, Australia)

Kate wrote: > > "Renia" wrote in message news:kmu62l$bfn$1@speranza.aioe.org... > > On 10/05/2013 04:59, Kate wrote: >> > >> >> There is an item in the Insolvents section London Gazette, May 1825 Page >> 869, (pointed out by skp) naming a Sydney Ward Simpson, he was a >> Bookseller, >> Moor (Mour) Street, Soho. >> I have no idea if this was my Sydney but if the information I have about >> his >> death May 21, 1826 Sierra Leone is correct it leaves a pretty narrow >> timeline. > > > Double Christian names were not very common during this period, so I > would guess this is your particular Sydney Ward Simpson, especially as > he was a bookseller like other members of his family. > > If he was publicly named as a bankrupt, then you probably have the > reason why he left England, though by the time the notice was published, > he may already have left the country to prevent being chased by his > creditors. > > People were dropping like flies in Sierra Leone at this time. He was > probably one of them. > > > This was always a possible reason why he might have left the country when > the item was first pointed out to me but this was not a poor family it seems > quite possible his creditors would have been dealt with. He could have felt > ashamed of course but it still leaves us in the dark. > > I think I will just put Sydney to bed and move on to something equally as > hard, like one of my 5xgt grandparents, there are some you just have to let > go. > > I thank you all for your input, always good to have your ideas and one > learns a little more with each search. > > Regards, Kate > (Sydney, Australia) > This was always a possible reason when the item was first pointed out to me > but this was not a poor family You don't necessarily have to be poor to be bankrupt. You merely have to have less money than you owe. FWIW. Cheryl

On 15/05/2013 05:54, Kate wrote: > This was always a possible reason when the item was first pointed out > to me but this was not a poor family Yes, but he may have been a black sheep, as you suggested, and got into debt, probably through gambling or speculative schemes. His father was lately dead, and the trustees may have refused to further finance Sydney's squanderings. Hence, bankrupt.