I picked up a copy of an old "Bacon's New Large Print Map of London and Suburbs" from a second-hand book shop the other day. The map is in poor condition but I intend to try and rescue as much as I can of it. There is no visible date printed anywhere so I need a little help or advice on dating it. There is a "1900" pencilled on one of the remaining index pages but I'm sceptical of that - it must be a guess at best. Tony Proctor

<roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> wrote in message news:mailman.3.1369568839.8661.genbrit@rootsweb.com... > From: "Piercefield" <Piercefield@btinternet.com> > >> Roy Stockdill wrote, Sunday, May 19, 2013 11:00 AM >> >> > I may take a look at him, Geoff, possibly even >> > for my online Famous family trees blog, as he is >> > becoming quite a well-known national character. >> >> "If you want to know your ancestry, all you need do is to stand for >> public office, and "they" will do all the research for you for free." > > > Of the 20 celebrities I have so far done for Findmypast, they break down > into > the following categories..... > > ACTORS (3): Charlie Chaplin, Tom Ellis, Michael Kitchen > ACTRESSES (4): Anne Reid, Brenda Blethyn, Miranda Hart, Kate Winslet > TV PRESENTERS (4): Simon Cowell, John Craven, Gabby Logan, Tess Daly > WRITERS (2); JK Rowling, Colin Dexter > SPORTS PERSONALITIES (2): Victoria Pendleton, Sebastian Coe (though I > suppose > he would count as a politician also). > POLITICIANS (4): David Cameron, Gordon Brown, Nick Clegg, Theresa May > ARTISTS (1): Tracey Emin > > Seems like a reasonable balance to me, though I should point out that > Cameron, > Brown and Clegg were all commissioned from me by FMP to tie in with the > last > General Election and Theresa May was the only one I myself put up. Seb > Coe, JK > Rowling and Tracey Emin were also commissioned to tie in with their > appearing > in the WDYTYA? series. > > I'm afraid I don't understand what your objection is, if in fact you are > making > some sort of objection! > > I'm keeping Farrage up my sleeve, as it were, because it seems to me his > future > as a public figure is rather up in the air at the present moment in time. > He > could became a major figure in politics or disappear into obscurity. > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer > Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > > The interest in Mr Ferridge is the changes in his name with time - and we all have examples of that; and the contrast between some of his views and those of the eras which allowed his ancestors to enter Britain and succeed. Had Herr Schrod from Frankfurt and the putative Huguenots not been welcomed we would not have the benefit of Mr Ferridge's presence today. We are not just what we make of ourselves but what our history and our genes force on us.

From: "Piercefield" <Piercefield@btinternet.com> > Roy Stockdill wrote, Sunday, May 19, 2013 11:00 AM > > > I may take a look at him, Geoff, possibly even > > for my online Famous family trees blog, as he is > > becoming quite a well-known national character. > > "If you want to know your ancestry, all you need do is to stand for > public office, and "they" will do all the research for you for free." > Of the 20 celebrities I have so far done for Findmypast, they break down into the following categories..... ACTORS (3): Charlie Chaplin, Tom Ellis, Michael Kitchen ACTRESSES (4): Anne Reid, Brenda Blethyn, Miranda Hart, Kate Winslet TV PRESENTERS (4): Simon Cowell, John Craven, Gabby Logan, Tess Daly WRITERS (2); JK Rowling, Colin Dexter SPORTS PERSONALITIES (2): Victoria Pendleton, Sebastian Coe (though I suppose he would count as a politician also). POLITICIANS (4): David Cameron, Gordon Brown, Nick Clegg, Theresa May ARTISTS (1): Tracey Emin Seems like a reasonable balance to me, though I should point out that Cameron, Brown and Clegg were all commissioned from me by FMP to tie in with the last General Election and Theresa May was the only one I myself put up. Seb Coe, JK Rowling and Tracey Emin were also commissioned to tie in with their appearing in the WDYTYA? series. I'm afraid I don't understand what your objection is, if in fact you are making some sort of objection! I'm keeping Farrage up my sleeve, as it were, because it seems to me his future as a public figure is rather up in the air at the present moment in time. He could became a major figure in politics or disappear into obscurity. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

On Monday, January 11, 1999 9:00:00 PM UTC+13, Martin Judkins wrote: >> Thomas Payne Judkins from Towcester, NTH, wrote a journey log >> of his voyage to NZ in 1874 on the SS Assaye. It is well observed, >> ... >> I have posted it on my web page at >> http://www.judkins.demon.co.uk whereupon Don Judkins wrote, Thursday, May 23, 2013 9:33 AM > The link to judkins.demon.co.uk doesn't seem to be working. Agreed. However, Googling "Thomas Payne Judkins" led me to the first five weeks of that Journal posted also at http://middle.usm.k12.wi.us/faculty/markwald/lifeaboardship.htm Also, it is in Christchurch City Library http://thecommunityarchive.org.nz/node/67172

Phil C. wrote, Friday, May 24, 2013 4:15 PM > They are both from GRO. I notice that the > number in far left hand column are different - > 152 and 172. Same registrar for both. What did the GRO have to say about them ?

On 22/05/2013 19:02, gepewiss@gmail.com wrote: > Hello, > I am looking for Jacob and Babette Wiss (Wyss,Weiss, Weisz) (born about 1809 and 1811)In the period 1817 - 1820 they left Holland, and went probably to England. > He would have been 8-11 years old, she only 6-9. Unlikely to be travelling alone? Do you know who they went with?

wrote in message news:mailman.0.1368957764.3019.genbrit@rootsweb.com... From: "Geoff Pearson" <gspearson1647@hotmail.com> > Any one done a tree for our Nigel? The media say he has Huguenot > ancestors > but Ancestry also shows he has German gg grandparents from Frankfurt > named > Schrod - and they seem to be the origin of his stockbroking. They > were born > around 1840 and judging by the names we might expect they moved > because of > Jewish origins and problems there from. So a fairly cosmopolitan > ancestry - > out of line with his immigration policies. Of course I may have the > wrong > strand, in which case apologies to whomsoever feels they are due but > this > looks like the right family. Perhaps his current German wife can > check?> :One of those internet bucket shop genealogy houses - no names, no pack drill, :but you can probably guess which one I mean - claims the surname Farage has its :origins in the Western Highlands of Scotland and derives from the old name :MacFergus, meaning "son of Fergus". :If true, this makes poor old Nigel's reception in Edinburgh at the hands of a :bunch of Scottish fascist loons - as some of the media put it - a little :ironic! Nope. Farage/Farrage are not in Black's "Surnames of Scotland", so you can keep him south of the Border, thank you very much. The nearest is Fargie or Farrar, but even with the fuzzy spelling of pre-ww1 surnames, I think they're too far off. BTW did you know that if you translate "UKIP" from dutch into english, it comes out as "you chicken". ;} Lesley Robertson

Roy Stockdill wrote, Sunday, May 19, 2013 11:00 AM > I may take a look at him, Geoff, possibly even > for my online Famous family trees blog, as he is > becoming quite a well-known national character. "If you want to know your ancestry, all you need do is to stand for public office, and "they" will do all the research for you for free."

On 24/05/2013 23:02, Charles Ellson wrote: > On Fri, 24 May 2013 16:15:50 +0100, "Phil C." <philtrum@fsmail.net> > wrote: > >> On 24/05/2013 11:20, Peter Goodey wrote: >>> On Thu, 2013-05-23 at 19:36 +0100, Phil C. wrote: >>>> I accidentally sent for the same death cert twice. >>> >>> Were they both from the same source (register office or GRO)? >>> >>> If one came from the register office and one from GRO, it's possible >>> that amendments were made locally which didn't get reflected in the copy >>> sent to GRO. >>> >>> The GRO index shows only the expected 10 entries for the relevant page >> >> They are both from GRO. I notice that the number in far left hand column >> are different - 152 and 172. Same registrar for both. >> > It looks like a qualified informant managed to register the death > before the coroner "claimed" the deceased and subsequently made his > own registration. As they are ten places apart in the register this > presumably puts them on different pages (but in the same position?) > with different GRO references so either you have ordered them with the > different references or the GRO has supplied one which doesn't > actually match what you ordered (perhaps someone allowed the page to > turn and failed to double-check they were copying what was ordered?) > and accidentally managed to provide "before" and "after" > registrations. > > Using FreeBMD, GRO page 256 only produces 9 hits so it looks like the > earlier entry was (deliberately?) not indexed maybe with referring > notes in the register. ISTR someone reporting another double death > registration some time ago due to two qualified informants (a relative > and the householder?) both reporting the death. Looking at the certs, I was surprised to see that the first came three years ago. I can't even remember why I ordered it. Having both, though, has proved rather serendipitous. The earlier cert confirms the forename of Anna Maria husband. It also, at last, enabled me to find the old gal in the 1841 (I think), transcribed by Ancestry as "Ama Banna". -- Phil C.

In article <b31de2e6-0896-4522-a675-8ffbc5d19713 @o2g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, webmaster@haizelden.co.uk says... > > On May 22, 7:47 pm, singhals <singh...@erols.com> wrote: > > I figure if anyone knows, it'll be someone here, so ... > > > > Was naturalization even a possibility in 1750?  Or earlier? > > > > If so, can you point me to a discussion of the hows of that? > > > > Cheryl > > > http://www.parliament.uk/business/publications/parliamentary-archives/archives-highlights/familyhistory/sources/naturalisation/ > > http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/research-guides/naturalisation.htm > > Peter Haizelden Also worth a read on "denization" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denization BobC

On Fri, 24 May 2013 16:15:50 +0100, "Phil C." <philtrum@fsmail.net> wrote: >On 24/05/2013 11:20, Peter Goodey wrote: >> On Thu, 2013-05-23 at 19:36 +0100, Phil C. wrote: >>> I accidentally sent for the same death cert twice. >> >> Were they both from the same source (register office or GRO)? >> >> If one came from the register office and one from GRO, it's possible >> that amendments were made locally which didn't get reflected in the copy >> sent to GRO. >> >> The GRO index shows only the expected 10 entries for the relevant page > >They are both from GRO. I notice that the number in far left hand column >are different - 152 and 172. Same registrar for both. > It looks like a qualified informant managed to register the death before the coroner "claimed" the deceased and subsequently made his own registration. As they are ten places apart in the register this presumably puts them on different pages (but in the same position?) with different GRO references so either you have ordered them with the different references or the GRO has supplied one which doesn't actually match what you ordered (perhaps someone allowed the page to turn and failed to double-check they were copying what was ordered?) and accidentally managed to provide "before" and "after" registrations. Using FreeBMD, GRO page 256 only produces 9 hits so it looks like the earlier entry was (deliberately?) not indexed maybe with referring notes in the register. ISTR someone reporting another double death registration some time ago due to two qualified informants (a relative and the householder?) both reporting the death.

On 24/05/2013 11:20, Peter Goodey wrote: > On Thu, 2013-05-23 at 19:36 +0100, Phil C. wrote: >> I accidentally sent for the same death cert twice. > > Were they both from the same source (register office or GRO)? > > If one came from the register office and one from GRO, it's possible > that amendments were made locally which didn't get reflected in the copy > sent to GRO. > > The GRO index shows only the expected 10 entries for the relevant page They are both from GRO. I notice that the number in far left hand column are different - 152 and 172. Same registrar for both. -- Phil C.

Anne Chambers wrote: > Ian Goddard wrote: >> gepewiss@gmail.com wrote: >>> Hello, >>> I am looking for Jacob and Babette Wiss (Wyss,Weiss, Weisz) (born >>> about 1809 and 1811)In the period 1817 - >>> 1820 they left Holland, and went probably to England. >>> >>> Who can help me please? >>> >> >> Familysearch for the 1841 census has few variations of the surname >> where the first name is unknown including a >> few pairs of male & female. You'd need to go to Ancestry or >> FindMyPast to view these to see if there's more >> useful information there. >> >> For the 1851 census they have a Mr & Mrs Weiss, lodgers, said to have >> been born in Germany (might be close >> enough to Holland for a boarding house keeper!) but with no indication >> as to where they were located. >> >> Bottom line: try the UK Census collections on Ancestry. >> > There's no death for a Babette with a surname anything like Wiss on > FreeBMD between 1837 and 1900. There's nothing on familysearch.org either. > There are several possibilities to consider: anglicisation of name to Barbara, remarriage if husband died young and re-emigration. ISTM that we can point the OP at the relevant sources but he needs to check them out for himself as it is he who needs to assure himself either that he's found them or that they weren't here. -- Ian The Hotmail address is my spam-bin. Real mail address is iang at austonley org uk

On Thu, 2013-05-23 at 19:36 +0100, Phil C. wrote: > I accidentally sent for the same death cert twice. Were they both from the same source (register office or GRO)? If one came from the register office and one from GRO, it's possible that amendments were made locally which didn't get reflected in the copy sent to GRO. The GRO index shows only the expected 10 entries for the relevant page

Ian Goddard wrote: > gepewiss@gmail.com wrote: >> Hello, >> I am looking for Jacob and Babette Wiss (Wyss,Weiss, Weisz) (born about 1809 and 1811)In the period 1817 - >> 1820 they left Holland, and went probably to England. >> >> Who can help me please? >> > > Familysearch for the 1841 census has few variations of the surname where the first name is unknown including a > few pairs of male & female. You'd need to go to Ancestry or FindMyPast to view these to see if there's more > useful information there. > > For the 1851 census they have a Mr & Mrs Weiss, lodgers, said to have been born in Germany (might be close > enough to Holland for a boarding house keeper!) but with no indication as to where they were located. > > Bottom line: try the UK Census collections on Ancestry. > There's no death for a Babette with a surname anything like Wiss on FreeBMD between 1837 and 1900. There's nothing on familysearch.org either. -- Anne Chambers South Australia anne dot chambers at bigpond dot com

On Thu, 23 May 2013 22:58:39 +0100, Ian Goddard <goddai01@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: >Mick wrote: >> A London woman in 1908 has a Job description in 1908 of Colth Sorter? >> Would anyone know what it was please? > >Could it be a mangled version of Cloth Sorter? e.g. sorting rags for >recycling. Right, thank you for that. I had tried it in goggle but it assumed I was spelling "Cloth" wrong, no wonder if that was it anyhow. Thanks again, Mick. IOW

On 23/05/2013 23:14, Ian Goddard wrote: > gepewiss@gmail.com wrote: >> Hello, >> I am looking for Jacob and Babette Wiss (Wyss,Weiss, Weisz) (born >> about 1809 and 1811)In the period 1817 - 1820 they left Holland, and >> went probably to England. >> >> Who can help me please? >> > > Familysearch for the 1841 census has few variations of the surname where > the first name is unknown including a few pairs of male & female. You'd > need to go to Ancestry or FindMyPast to view these to see if there's > more useful information there. > > For the 1851 census they have a Mr & Mrs Weiss, lodgers, said to have > been born in Germany (might be close enough to Holland for a boarding > house keeper!) but with no indication as to where they were located. This Mr & Mrs Weiss were aged 40 and 31 in 1851, which is the wrong age for Babette Wiss. Mr Weiss was an engraver. Both were born in Germany, where Weiss would be the usual spelling. No suitable Barbara White in in 1841 or 1851. No suitable people called Wiss, Wyss or Weisz in 1841 or 1851 census.

gepewiss@gmail.com wrote: > Hello, > I am looking for Jacob and Babette Wiss (Wyss,Weiss, Weisz) (born about 1809 and 1811)In the period 1817 - 1820 they left Holland, and went probably to England. > > Who can help me please? > Familysearch for the 1841 census has few variations of the surname where the first name is unknown including a few pairs of male & female. You'd need to go to Ancestry or FindMyPast to view these to see if there's more useful information there. For the 1851 census they have a Mr & Mrs Weiss, lodgers, said to have been born in Germany (might be close enough to Holland for a boarding house keeper!) but with no indication as to where they were located. Bottom line: try the UK Census collections on Ancestry. -- Ian The Hotmail address is my spam-bin. Real mail address is iang at austonley org uk

Mick wrote: > A London woman in 1908 has a Job description in 1908 of Colth Sorter? > Would anyone know what it was please? Could it be a mangled version of Cloth Sorter? e.g. sorting rags for recycling. -- Ian The Hotmail address is my spam-bin. Real mail address is iang at austonley org uk

A London woman in 1908 has a Job description in 1908 of Colth Sorter? Would anyone know what it was please? Mick IOW