On Sun, 09 Jun 2013 18:23:59 +0100, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote: >On 09/06/2013 18:17, Mick wrote: >> Hi all, >> On a marriage certificate of 1914 the groom is described as a >> Cinematograph operator in Royal Artillery (as far as I can make out) >> >> I have tried Goggle but I get a box to search for people and get >> nothing for his name! >> >> Could it be a camera operator of sorts? >> Mick. IOW. >> > >It's the early title for a cameraman. > Or a projectionist ?

On Sun, 9 Jun 2013 14:32:47 +0100, Tim Powys-Lybbe <tim@powys.org> wrote: >On 9 Jun at 14:19, "Lesley Robertson" <l.a.robertson@tnw.tudelft.nl> >wrote: > >> "Kiwi in Aus" wrote in message >> news:KOOdnXnM3a69RjfMnZ2dnVY3go-dnZ2d@giganews.com... >> >> How do others deal with this, you might start off with a place that is >> in Essex at time of birth, but by the time a person dies same place is >> now called Greater London, or South eastern Essex or what ever do you >> stay with same place name or change with the passing time, I guess >> change with time is more correct, > >What is correct? > >Usually one put a source reference with any record. The data in the >record should be what is in the source. > >You may therefore have two, or more records, first of the original event >and second of the place name change(s) at a subsequent date. Both need >references. > >Is this correct? > A later change of name will not be in the original source so any mention of the new name ought to be by way of a comment e.g. "Fred Smith of Great Boughton [now Chester]".

On Sun, 9 Jun 2013 19:06:30 +0100, "Steven Gibbs" <stevenng4@sgibbs1.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: >On Sun, 2 Jun 2013 15:41:32 +1000, "Kiwi in Aus" <Wwftw_98@Yahoo.com> >wrote: > >>How do others deal with this, you might start off with a place that is in >>Essex at time of birth, but by the time a person dies same place is now >>called Greater London, or South eastern Essex or what ever do you stay with >>same place name or change with the passing time, I guess change with time >>is >>more correct, > >Nowadays, I try to record only what is written in the source domement. If I >wish to create a narrative from that record, I will give what I consider to >be an adequate explanation in the narrative. (I'm not fond of letting my >commercial software make the narrative, but it's usually easier to start >with that and then hand-edit it.) > >There are still problems as quite often the source document is inadequate. >For example, many of the London parish registers on Ancestry say Middlesex >long after the parish became part of the new county of London, sometimes >because the registers had the name of the church pre-printed, other times >because the vicar was, I assume, a dinosaur. > The probate registry calendars were still describing some of such places as being in Middlesex at least into the 1930s. >In Bedford, St Pauls Parish >marriage registers refer occasionally to White Horse Street, up to 1874, >even though the road had been renamed Harpur Street sometime before (I >believe) 1841. > >Steven >

"Keith Nuttle" wrote in message news:kp2cfl$58u$1@speranza.aioe.org... On 6/9/2013 9:17 AM, Lesley Robertson wrote: > Grrrr, > I've just had an email from someone wanting me to send him all of > the > photos included in the burial ground section of my website! It's a > complete burial ground, there's a lot of photos (and work) there. I > politely replied that I wasn't willing to send them all, and that > there's no way that all of the people in the burial ground are > related. > The answer's just come back that he has nearly all the names, so > needs > all the pictures, but if I don't want to send him all of them, could > he > just have those in a longish list.... > > I'm a bit reluctant to tell him that I know that there's several > unrelated lines among the more common surnames because I've checked > the > families in case he demands the research notes as well! > > I don't mind helping people with ancestors in my OPS, but this is > seriously over the top! > > Grrrrr > Lesley Robertson If you have traveled to the cemeteries and taken all of the photos, I do not see you have any obligation to provide them. If they really want photos of the graves, they have the same opportunity as you to travel there and take your own. Have they offered to pay you for the CD which will be required to send the photos? However I have a situation, that is somewhat different. I have two ledger books, and a dozen documents that were created by the members of the family in the first quarter of the 20 century. There is only one copy of these documents. While I have these documents, I feel they do not belong to ME. I have scanned both ledger books and all of the documents and will provide them to anyone who ask and provides me a valid address so I can send them the CD> *,*,*,* To be fair, he did offer to pay, but it's the fact that he doesn't seem to realise that he's fishing - if it's a name that's on his list, they must be related.... Plus the fact that there's more info on my site than can be read from the photos because I transcribed the the inscriptions direct from the stones, where I could trace letters with my fingers. I think you're right about those documents, though. Apart from anything else, I strongly believe in 2 copies of papers in different buildings. When my work lost a whole Faculty building to fire some years back, a number of people lost a lot because their backup CDs were in the desks supporting their pcs. Lesley Robertson

On Sun, 2 Jun 2013 15:41:32 +1000, "Kiwi in Aus" <Wwftw_98@Yahoo.com> wrote: >How do others deal with this, you might start off with a place that is in >Essex at time of birth, but by the time a person dies same place is now >called Greater London, or South eastern Essex or what ever do you stay with >same place name or change with the passing time, I guess change with time >is >more correct, Nowadays, I try to record only what is written in the source domement. If I wish to create a narrative from that record, I will give what I consider to be an adequate explanation in the narrative. (I'm not fond of letting my commercial software make the narrative, but it's usually easier to start with that and then hand-edit it.) There are still problems as quite often the source document is inadequate. For example, many of the London parish registers on Ancestry say Middlesex long after the parish became part of the new county of London, sometimes because the registers had the name of the church pre-printed, other times because the vicar was, I assume, a dinosaur. In Bedford, St Pauls Parish marriage registers refer occasionally to White Horse Street, up to 1874, even though the road had been renamed Harpur Street sometime before (I believe) 1841. Steven

On 09/06/2013 18:17, Mick wrote: > Hi all, > On a marriage certificate of 1914 the groom is described as a > Cinematograph operator in Royal Artillery (as far as I can make out) > > I have tried Goggle but I get a box to search for people and get > nothing for his name! > > Could it be a camera operator of sorts? > Mick. IOW. > It's the early title for a cameraman. -- Graeme Wall This account not read, substitute trains for rail. Railway Miscellany at <http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail>

Hi all, On a marriage certificate of 1914 the groom is described as a Cinematograph operator in Royal Artillery (as far as I can make out) I have tried Goggle but I get a box to search for people and get nothing for his name! Could it be a camera operator of sorts? Mick. IOW.

That or fixing the cameras on the planes. I believe they were just starting to be used about that time frame / WWI era. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerial_photography for better information. Mike in Ohio On 6/9/2013 1:17 PM, Mick wrote: > Hi all, > On a marriage certificate of 1914 the groom is described as a > Cinematograph operator in Royal Artillery (as far as I can make out) > > I have tried Goggle but I get a box to search for people and get > nothing for his name! > > Could it be a camera operator of sorts? > Mick. IOW. >

"Kiwi in Aus" wrote in message news:KOOdnXnM3a69RjfMnZ2dnVY3go-dnZ2d@giganews.com... How do others deal with this, you might start off with a place that is in Essex at time of birth, but by the time a person dies same place is now called Greater London, or South eastern Essex or what ever do you stay with same place name or change with the passing time, I guess change with time is more correct, -- Cheers Jenny I DON"T do mornings!!!! Photos http://www.flickr.com/photos/jen_in_brisbane/ Family Tree http://minerstree.tribalpages.com/ I use the names that's actually on the document in the record, and then put a note about the change as well. Lesley Robertson

Grrrr, I've just had an email from someone wanting me to send him all of the photos included in the burial ground section of my website! It's a complete burial ground, there's a lot of photos (and work) there. I politely replied that I wasn't willing to send them all, and that there's no way that all of the people in the burial ground are related. The answer's just come back that he has nearly all the names, so needs all the pictures, but if I don't want to send him all of them, could he just have those in a longish list.... I'm a bit reluctant to tell him that I know that there's several unrelated lines among the more common surnames because I've checked the families in case he demands the research notes as well! I don't mind helping people with ancestors in my OPS, but this is seriously over the top! Grrrrr Lesley Robertson

On 9 Jun at 14:19, "Lesley Robertson" <l.a.robertson@tnw.tudelft.nl> wrote: > "Kiwi in Aus" wrote in message > news:KOOdnXnM3a69RjfMnZ2dnVY3go-dnZ2d@giganews.com... > > How do others deal with this, you might start off with a place that is > in Essex at time of birth, but by the time a person dies same place is > now called Greater London, or South eastern Essex or what ever do you > stay with same place name or change with the passing time, I guess > change with time is more correct, What is correct? Usually one put a source reference with any record. The data in the record should be what is in the source. You may therefore have two, or more records, first of the original event and second of the place name change(s) at a subsequent date. Both need references. Is this correct? -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org for a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/

On 6/9/2013 9:19 AM, Lesley Robertson wrote: > "Kiwi in Aus" wrote in message > news:KOOdnXnM3a69RjfMnZ2dnVY3go-dnZ2d@giganews.com... > > How do others deal with this, you might start off with a place that is in > Essex at time of birth, but by the time a person dies same place is now > called Greater London, or South eastern Essex or what ever do you stay with > same place name or change with the passing time, I guess change with > time is > more correct, > I record the current location and note the historical name. My reasons are that if someone wanted to visit the site, or obtain records for property or person on the site, their first contact for those records would be the church or government currently responsible for the site.

On 6/9/2013 9:17 AM, Lesley Robertson wrote: > Grrrr, > I've just had an email from someone wanting me to send him all of the > photos included in the burial ground section of my website! It's a > complete burial ground, there's a lot of photos (and work) there. I > politely replied that I wasn't willing to send them all, and that > there's no way that all of the people in the burial ground are related. > The answer's just come back that he has nearly all the names, so needs > all the pictures, but if I don't want to send him all of them, could he > just have those in a longish list.... > > I'm a bit reluctant to tell him that I know that there's several > unrelated lines among the more common surnames because I've checked the > families in case he demands the research notes as well! > > I don't mind helping people with ancestors in my OPS, but this is > seriously over the top! > > Grrrrr > Lesley Robertson If you have traveled to the cemeteries and taken all of the photos, I do not see you have any obligation to provide them. If they really want photos of the graves, they have the same opportunity as you to travel there and take your own. Have they offered to pay you for the CD which will be required to send the photos? However I have a situation, that is somewhat different. I have two ledger books, and a dozen documents that were created by the members of the family in the first quarter of the 20 century. There is only one copy of these documents. While I have these documents, I feel they do not belong to ME. I have scanned both ledger books and all of the documents and will provide them to anyone who ask and provides me a valid address so I can send them the CD>

On 2013-06-08 14:45:43 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) said: > In message <bhfvq8l9c3flenf5te4u43ph2dnp8c7236@4ax.com>, Charles Ellson > <ce11son@yahoo.ca> writes: >> On Thu, 6 Jun 2013 08:18:35 +1000, "MargM" <genknut@exemail.com.au> >> wrote: > [] >>> Cant help but wonder about payment ? As of Nov 2012 the Probate >>> folk hadn't heard of PayPal >>> >> I wouldn't expect them to hear of it in the near future as payment by >> credit/debit card is otherwise fairly well established and Paypal >> presumably adds another stage into the process with no practical >> advantage for them. >> >>> etc >>> All fees had to be paid in pounds sterling. That makes it a very >>> expensive exercise for overseas genes > [] > Unless credit card companies in .au behave differently, I would hope > the pricing (and payment acceptance) being in sterling shouldn't be > expensive: on the odd occasions I've bought from, say, USA, using > credit card, it's been translated at a reasonable rate. > > Unless you're saying they'll only accept UK cheques or similar - which, > for a new service, I would hope is unlikely: that would be something of > an inconvenience to UK citizens too, many of whom rarely use cheques! > And, as you point out, many other government organisations (TV licence, > car tax, ...) accept payment by credit card. (Actually they charge - > pass on, to be fair - a fee for credit card, but accept debit cards > too, usually at no charge.) To apply for a standing search from the current set up, you have to pay in sterling by cheque or postal order. I can't believe transactions are still made by postal order these days, I don't think I have even seen one since the late 1950s! >From what I was told by the young man in the Probate Office, the new system will have online payment, it would have to as he said you would be able to download the images. I'll just wait for it to happen, as patiently as I can :-) -- Tickettyboo

In message <bhfvq8l9c3flenf5te4u43ph2dnp8c7236@4ax.com>, Charles Ellson <ce11son@yahoo.ca> writes: >On Thu, 6 Jun 2013 08:18:35 +1000, "MargM" <genknut@exemail.com.au> >wrote: [] >>Cant help but wonder about payment ? As of Nov 2012 the Probate >>folk hadn't heard of PayPal >> >I wouldn't expect them to hear of it in the near future as payment by >credit/debit card is otherwise fairly well established and Paypal >presumably adds another stage into the process with no practical >advantage for them. > >>etc >>All fees had to be paid in pounds sterling. That makes it a very >>expensive exercise for overseas genes [] Unless credit card companies in .au behave differently, I would hope the pricing (and payment acceptance) being in sterling shouldn't be expensive: on the odd occasions I've bought from, say, USA, using credit card, it's been translated at a reasonable rate. Unless you're saying they'll only accept UK cheques or similar - which, for a new service, I would hope is unlikely: that would be something of an inconvenience to UK citizens too, many of whom rarely use cheques! And, as you point out, many other government organisations (TV licence, car tax, ...) accept payment by credit card. (Actually they charge - pass on, to be fair - a fee for credit card, but accept debit cards too, usually at no charge.) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Anyone can do any amount of work provided it isn't the work he is supposed to be doing at the moment. -Robert Benchley, humorist, drama critic, and actor (1889-1945)

On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 23:28:06 +0100, CWatters <colin.watters@NOturnersoakSPAM.plus.com> wrote: >On 07/06/2013 21:54, Charles Ellson wrote: >> On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 11:18:50 +0100, CWatters >> <colin.watters@NOturnersoakSPAM.plus.com> wrote: >> >>> On 07/06/2013 11:14, CWatters wrote: >>>> On 03/06/2013 10:05, roy.stockdill@btinternet.com wrote: >>>>> From: stephen.hannigan@gmail.com >>>>> >>>>>> Good morning, >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm looking for descendants of Alfred Derek George, born 1923 in >>>>>> Stockport and >>>>>> believed to have lived out the remainder of his years in West Sussex. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> Stephen> >>>>> >>>>> FreeBMD has no Alfred Derek George born at Stockport in 1923. The >>>>> nearest I can >>>>> find is an Alfred D GEORGE whose birth was registered at Salford, >>>>> Lancs, in the >>>>> April-June quarter of 1923, mother's maiden name Chalmers (vol 8d >>>>> 105). Is that >>>>> him? >>>>> >>>>> His death is in the GRO death indexes at Findmypast (and presumably >>>>> Ancestry as >>>>> well). He died at Worthing in January 1997 and his date of birth was >>>>> given as >>>>> 13 May 1923. I can find no marriage for an Alfred Derek or Alfred D >>>>> George >>>>> after that year, so presumably he didn't have any descendants unless >>>>> he married >>>>> without the middle initial being given, >>>>> >>>>> He appears to have had a sister Christine George, mother's maiden name >>>>> Chalmers, also born at Salford in the Jan-Mar quarter of 1919 (vol 8d >>>>> page 87). >>>>> The marriage of their parents Alfred George and Nora Chalmers was at >>>>> Salford in >>>>> the September quarter of 1915 (8d 302). >>>>> >>>>> Do you not know how to search the GRO indexes at FreeBMD and other >>>>> sites? If >>>>> you are a beginner, post again and I will give you some advice and >>>>> instructions. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Roy Stockdill >>>>> Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer >>>>> Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ >>>>> >>>>> "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, >>>>> and that is not being talked about." >>>>> OSCAR WILDE >>>>> >>>> >>>> That one also appears in a Public Member tree on Ancestry. >>>> >>>> His wfe is named as >>>> >>>> Marguerita Eleanor Malone >>>> >>>> Birth 2 Jan 1927 in Georgetown, Renfrewshire >>>> Death 2006 in Paisley >>>> >>>> Marriage Information >>>> Date 8 Jun 1946 >>>> Location Johnstone >>>> to Alfred Derek George >>>> >>>> No children listed though. >>>> >>> >>> FreeBMD can't find any "George" births with mothers maiden name "Malone". >>> >> With a marriage and death in Renfrewshire there is a fair chance of >> any children also being born thereabouts and thus out of reach of >> FreeBMD. >> > >I never was much good with Geography. > I should have added that it is also too recent for ScotlandsPeople (i.e. you can search on the surname but not the mother's maiden surname) but the name combination can be searched within the GRO in Edinburgh or (up to c.1953) on films of the indexes held by the LDS.

On 07/06/2013 21:54, Charles Ellson wrote: > On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 11:18:50 +0100, CWatters > <colin.watters@NOturnersoakSPAM.plus.com> wrote: > >> On 07/06/2013 11:14, CWatters wrote: >>> On 03/06/2013 10:05, roy.stockdill@btinternet.com wrote: >>>> From: stephen.hannigan@gmail.com >>>> >>>>> Good morning, >>>>> >>>>> I'm looking for descendants of Alfred Derek George, born 1923 in >>>>> Stockport and >>>>> believed to have lived out the remainder of his years in West Sussex. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> Stephen> >>>> >>>> FreeBMD has no Alfred Derek George born at Stockport in 1923. The >>>> nearest I can >>>> find is an Alfred D GEORGE whose birth was registered at Salford, >>>> Lancs, in the >>>> April-June quarter of 1923, mother's maiden name Chalmers (vol 8d >>>> 105). Is that >>>> him? >>>> >>>> His death is in the GRO death indexes at Findmypast (and presumably >>>> Ancestry as >>>> well). He died at Worthing in January 1997 and his date of birth was >>>> given as >>>> 13 May 1923. I can find no marriage for an Alfred Derek or Alfred D >>>> George >>>> after that year, so presumably he didn't have any descendants unless >>>> he married >>>> without the middle initial being given, >>>> >>>> He appears to have had a sister Christine George, mother's maiden name >>>> Chalmers, also born at Salford in the Jan-Mar quarter of 1919 (vol 8d >>>> page 87). >>>> The marriage of their parents Alfred George and Nora Chalmers was at >>>> Salford in >>>> the September quarter of 1915 (8d 302). >>>> >>>> Do you not know how to search the GRO indexes at FreeBMD and other >>>> sites? If >>>> you are a beginner, post again and I will give you some advice and >>>> instructions. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Roy Stockdill >>>> Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer >>>> Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ >>>> >>>> "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, >>>> and that is not being talked about." >>>> OSCAR WILDE >>>> >>> >>> That one also appears in a Public Member tree on Ancestry. >>> >>> His wfe is named as >>> >>> Marguerita Eleanor Malone >>> >>> Birth 2 Jan 1927 in Georgetown, Renfrewshire >>> Death 2006 in Paisley >>> >>> Marriage Information >>> Date 8 Jun 1946 >>> Location Johnstone >>> to Alfred Derek George >>> >>> No children listed though. >>> >> >> FreeBMD can't find any "George" births with mothers maiden name "Malone". >> > With a marriage and death in Renfrewshire there is a fair chance of > any children also being born thereabouts and thus out of reach of > FreeBMD. > I never was much good with Geography.

On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 11:18:50 +0100, CWatters <colin.watters@NOturnersoakSPAM.plus.com> wrote: >On 07/06/2013 11:14, CWatters wrote: >> On 03/06/2013 10:05, roy.stockdill@btinternet.com wrote: >>> From: stephen.hannigan@gmail.com >>> >>>> Good morning, >>>> >>>> I'm looking for descendants of Alfred Derek George, born 1923 in >>>> Stockport and >>>> believed to have lived out the remainder of his years in West Sussex. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> Stephen> >>> >>> FreeBMD has no Alfred Derek George born at Stockport in 1923. The >>> nearest I can >>> find is an Alfred D GEORGE whose birth was registered at Salford, >>> Lancs, in the >>> April-June quarter of 1923, mother's maiden name Chalmers (vol 8d >>> 105). Is that >>> him? >>> >>> His death is in the GRO death indexes at Findmypast (and presumably >>> Ancestry as >>> well). He died at Worthing in January 1997 and his date of birth was >>> given as >>> 13 May 1923. I can find no marriage for an Alfred Derek or Alfred D >>> George >>> after that year, so presumably he didn't have any descendants unless >>> he married >>> without the middle initial being given, >>> >>> He appears to have had a sister Christine George, mother's maiden name >>> Chalmers, also born at Salford in the Jan-Mar quarter of 1919 (vol 8d >>> page 87). >>> The marriage of their parents Alfred George and Nora Chalmers was at >>> Salford in >>> the September quarter of 1915 (8d 302). >>> >>> Do you not know how to search the GRO indexes at FreeBMD and other >>> sites? If >>> you are a beginner, post again and I will give you some advice and >>> instructions. >>> >>> -- >>> Roy Stockdill >>> Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer >>> Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ >>> >>> "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, >>> and that is not being talked about." >>> OSCAR WILDE >>> >> >> That one also appears in a Public Member tree on Ancestry. >> >> His wfe is named as >> >> Marguerita Eleanor Malone >> >> Birth 2 Jan 1927 in Georgetown, Renfrewshire >> Death 2006 in Paisley >> >> Marriage Information >> Date 8 Jun 1946 >> Location Johnstone >> to Alfred Derek George >> >> No children listed though. >> > >FreeBMD can't find any "George" births with mothers maiden name "Malone". > With a marriage and death in Renfrewshire there is a fair chance of any children also being born thereabouts and thus out of reach of FreeBMD.

On 2013-06-04 11:31:48 +0100, Mick said: > On Mon, 03 Jun 2013 10:05:00 +0100, roy.stockdill@btinternet.com > wrote: > > >> >> Do you not know how to search the GRO indexes at FreeBMD and other sites? If >> you are a beginner, post again and I will give you some advice and >> instructions. > > Hi Roy, > I could do with some instructions if you do not mind? > I consider myself the blind led by the blind, but am beginning to make > some progress! > Mick IOW http://www.freebmd.org.uk/search-help.shtml Some useful pointers on there. -- Tickettyboo

On 07/06/2013 11:14, CWatters wrote: > On 03/06/2013 10:05, roy.stockdill@btinternet.com wrote: >> From: stephen.hannigan@gmail.com >> >>> Good morning, >>> >>> I'm looking for descendants of Alfred Derek George, born 1923 in >>> Stockport and >>> believed to have lived out the remainder of his years in West Sussex. >>> >>> Thanks >>> Stephen> >> >> FreeBMD has no Alfred Derek George born at Stockport in 1923. The >> nearest I can >> find is an Alfred D GEORGE whose birth was registered at Salford, >> Lancs, in the >> April-June quarter of 1923, mother's maiden name Chalmers (vol 8d >> 105). Is that >> him? >> >> His death is in the GRO death indexes at Findmypast (and presumably >> Ancestry as >> well). He died at Worthing in January 1997 and his date of birth was >> given as >> 13 May 1923. I can find no marriage for an Alfred Derek or Alfred D >> George >> after that year, so presumably he didn't have any descendants unless >> he married >> without the middle initial being given, >> >> He appears to have had a sister Christine George, mother's maiden name >> Chalmers, also born at Salford in the Jan-Mar quarter of 1919 (vol 8d >> page 87). >> The marriage of their parents Alfred George and Nora Chalmers was at >> Salford in >> the September quarter of 1915 (8d 302). >> >> Do you not know how to search the GRO indexes at FreeBMD and other >> sites? If >> you are a beginner, post again and I will give you some advice and >> instructions. >> >> -- >> Roy Stockdill >> Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer >> Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ >> >> "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, >> and that is not being talked about." >> OSCAR WILDE >> > > That one also appears in a Public Member tree on Ancestry. > > His wfe is named as > > Marguerita Eleanor Malone > > Birth 2 Jan 1927 in Georgetown, Renfrewshire > Death 2006 in Paisley > > Marriage Information > Date 8 Jun 1946 > Location Johnstone > to Alfred Derek George > > No children listed though. > FreeBMD can't find any "George" births with mothers maiden name "Malone".