Bob Campbell wrote: > > > > > > Here is a transcript entry from the WW1 service records for whom I believe > is My Henry John LEE: > > " > Henry James LEE service record 314456 (no medals) Is he Henry James or Henry John ? -- Anne Chambers South Australia anne dot chambers at bigpond dot com

Here is a transcript entry from the WW1 service records for whom I believe is My Henry John LEE: " Henry James LEE service record 314456 (no medals) Wanted to join RE Royal Engineers Enlisted 24/6/1916 called up at Grove Park Woking in Surrey 14/4/17 age on enlistment 39 y 8 months DOB….24/10/1877 Address 9 Canal Cottages Boundary Road Woking Henry J occupation furniture porter Classified “C1” and re-enlisted within the “700 Motor Transport company RASC in Liverpool, Southport and then based in Manchester.(Lancashire) Discharged at Woolwich 22/2/1919 Married but SEPARATED!! No children listed. Next of kin listed as “P. Pritchard”?" This seems to correspond approximately what facts I do know about him... Census records indicate he was born in around 1879 at either South Hatcham Surrey in 1881, to Tottenham by the time he was 12 in 1891. The disability column from 1881 says he had deformed feet from birth. In 1901 his birthplace is also Tottenham 1877/78. occupation Engineers shop worker. First question would his disability correspond with the C1 rating on his service record? Is the disability column now open to view yet on the 1911 census? By the 1901 census he was married to an Alice (nee' Flynn) who was born in and had family in Liverpool in 1879. It seems this couple had no surviving children between 1901 and 1911 census. It seems also according to an entry for an Alice LEE in Bury Lancashire the couple had separated . Alice is listed thus in 1911... Ernest Cowell head 32 (1879) single goods porter for Railway company, born Lancashire Fleetwood Ellen LEE housekeeper 32 (1879) single (married crossed out on the image) born Lancashire, Manchester? (no birth registered as Alice LEE there in that time period) Ernest Cowell LEE son 3 born Lancashire Bury (1908) Nora Cowell LEE dau 1 born Lancashire Bury (1910) I did consider this Woking entry for a Henry LEE aged 32 may be him but birthplace is shown incorrect? opinions please? :- At Hook Hill Hook Heath Woking SIM, Isabella Rose Servant Single F 48 1863 Housekeeper Domestic 010 Fyora Aberdenshire SIM, Elizabeth Lydia Servant Single F 30 1881 Housemaid Domestic Brodclyt Devonshire SMITH, Amy Gertrude Servant Single F 40 1871 Lady's Maid Domestic Hampstead Middlesex LEE, Henry Servant Single M 29 1882 Motor Driver Domestic Guat Haywood ?Staffordshire? LOMAS, Henry Servant Single M 33 1878 Footman Domestic Buxton Peelshire PEACOCK, George Servant Single F 15 1896 House-Coy Domestic Woking Surrey Am trying to fill in the space between 1901 to 1911 and Henry's enlistment in 1916, then after his discharge at Woolwich in 1919. As they were already married and divorce not an option I doubt either Henry or Alice LEE would have remarried until either had died. So any clues where to proceed now? cheers from Bob in Brisbane

On 13/06/2013 04:36, Anne Chambers wrote: > Bob Campbell wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Here is a transcript entry from the WW1 service records for whom I >> believe >> is My Henry John LEE: >> >> " >> Henry James LEE service record 314456 (no medals) > > > Is he Henry James or Henry John ? > > and Alice or Helen/Ellen? Perhaps more work needed on the marriage to find/check her background? If that other member tree is right about it being Helen Flynn then there is another candidate for Helen Lee in the 1901... Image says she is married but relation to head is Niece. Appears to have son Archibald lee but age 4 (months or years? Census image assumes years) 1901 England Census Name: Helen Lee Age: 29 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872 Relation: Niece Gender: Female Where born: Kilkenny, Ireland Civil Parish: West Ham Ecclesiastical parish: Emmanuel County/Island: Essex Country: England Household Members: Name Age Archibald Campbell 47 Emmeline M Campbell 44 Isabella Campbell 15 Helen Lee 29 Archibald Lee 4

On 13/06/2013 02:17, Bob Campbell wrote: > > > > > > Here is a transcript entry from the WW1 service records for whom I believe > is My Henry John LEE: You didn't mention having the birth record but sounds very much like like this one... Births Jun 1879 Lee Henry John Edmonton 3a 244 Edmonton includes Tottenham.. http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/edmonton.html Sub-districts : Cheshunt, East Tottenham, Edmonton, Enfield, Hampstead, Hornsey, Pymmes Park, Southgate, Tottenham, Waltham Abbey, West Tottenham, Wood Green. A member tree on Ancestry suggests he married.. Helen Flyn on 4 Nov 1900 at Hackney St John's, London, Middlesex, England FreedBMD has Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Dec 1900 Beech James Henry Hackney 1b 861 Flynn Helen Hackney 1b 861 Gillard Marion Hackney 1b 861 Lee Henry John Hackney 1b 861

On 12/06/2013 19:28, Charles Ellson wrote: > On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 14:46:16 +0100, David Mills > <dcm19401@gmailREMOVE.com> wrote: > >> On 11/06/2013 23:29, Charles Ellson wrote: >>> On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 16:12:09 +0100, David Mills >>> <dcm19401@gmailREMOVE.com> wrote: >>> >>>> My g/gfather ,born ca 1853 was described in the 1911 as an army pensioner. >>>> He served practically his whole time in Ireland and then India >>>> I have found several alternatives from Free BMD as to where and when he died. >>>> Presumably his pension ceased when he died, so can anyone tell me how I >>>> can find this information? >>>> >>> Generally in the National Archives at Kew. See e.g. :- >>> http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-person/britisharmysoldierupto1913.htm >>> [soldiers] >>> http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-person/britisharmyofficerbefore1913.htm >>> [officers] >>> >>> Note that FreeBMD only covers England and Wales, he would only have >>> needed to be away for the weekend to escape inclusion. >>> >>> for Scotland :- >>> copies of films of death register indexes are available at various LDS >>> family history centres, the electronic version can be searched in >>> www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk >>> >>> for Ireland :- >>> see www.familysearch.org for an electronic version of the deaths >>> indexes up to the 1950s. >>> >>> Mann :- >>> http://www.manxbmd.com/ (third party electronic version of indexes) >>> >>> However, if he was domiciled in England and Wales and left estate >>> requiring probate or administration then wherever he died he should >>> feature in the PRFD indexes which can be viewed (up to 196x) in >>> Ancestry and compared with your list of possible death index entries. >>> >> I have his army record which goes from his enlistment to the time he was >> discharged. >> However what I am looking for is the date at which his pension ceased to >> be paid. >> Is this >> This will then give an approximate date of death which will cut down the >> number certificates I will have to buy. >> > If there is a match in the PRFD indexes then that should give you the > actual date of his death and maybe the place. Can you give us his name > and birth year and last known whereabouts ? Am I correct in thinking > you don't have access to Ancestry ? > His name was Thomas Aldridge, born 1853 in Braughing,Herts., living according to the 1911 census in East Ham with his son Jesse. He serve in the army from 1869 to 1888 most of the time in India. That is the last sighting of him. Jesse was a lot easier to follow into the future.

On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 14:46:16 +0100, David Mills <dcm19401@gmailREMOVE.com> wrote: >On 11/06/2013 23:29, Charles Ellson wrote: >> On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 16:12:09 +0100, David Mills >> <dcm19401@gmailREMOVE.com> wrote: >> >>> My g/gfather ,born ca 1853 was described in the 1911 as an army pensioner. >>> He served practically his whole time in Ireland and then India >>> I have found several alternatives from Free BMD as to where and when he died. >>> Presumably his pension ceased when he died, so can anyone tell me how I >>> can find this information? >>> >> Generally in the National Archives at Kew. See e.g. :- >> http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-person/britisharmysoldierupto1913.htm >> [soldiers] >> http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-person/britisharmyofficerbefore1913.htm >> [officers] >> >> Note that FreeBMD only covers England and Wales, he would only have >> needed to be away for the weekend to escape inclusion. >> >> for Scotland :- >> copies of films of death register indexes are available at various LDS >> family history centres, the electronic version can be searched in >> www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk >> >> for Ireland :- >> see www.familysearch.org for an electronic version of the deaths >> indexes up to the 1950s. >> >> Mann :- >> http://www.manxbmd.com/ (third party electronic version of indexes) >> >> However, if he was domiciled in England and Wales and left estate >> requiring probate or administration then wherever he died he should >> feature in the PRFD indexes which can be viewed (up to 196x) in >> Ancestry and compared with your list of possible death index entries. >> >I have his army record which goes from his enlistment to the time he was >discharged. >However what I am looking for is the date at which his pension ceased to >be paid. >Is this >This will then give an approximate date of death which will cut down the >number certificates I will have to buy. > If there is a match in the PRFD indexes then that should give you the actual date of his death and maybe the place. Can you give us his name and birth year and last known whereabouts ? Am I correct in thinking you don't have access to Ancestry ?

On 2013-06-11 16:12:09 +0100, David Mills said: > My g/gfather ,born ca 1853 was described in the 1911 as an army pensioner. > He served practically his whole time in Ireland and then India > I have found several alternatives from Free BMD asto where and when he died. > Presumably his pension ceased when he died, so can anyone tell me how I > can find this information? > Thank you http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/research-guides/british-army-soldiers-discharge-and-pension-records.htm Looks like there is a lot of info on that page which may lead you to the records you want. Alternative answer is to see if there are any burial trancripts/ Monumental Inscriptions/ Probate Calendar entries, newspaper notices of death - any of which may confirm the death date you are looking for. You don't say where he was when last sighted in the records, if you post his name and the place he was last seen, with any other releveant info (wife/family names) we can have a look and see what we can come up with. -- Tickettyboo

On 09/06/2013 18:17, Mick wrote: > Hi all, > On a marriage certificate of 1914 the groom is described as a > Cinematograph operator in Royal Artillery (as far as I can make out) > > I have tried Goggle but I get a box to search for people and get > nothing for his name! > > Could it be a camera operator of sorts? > Mick. IOW. > There was a programme on the TV recently which showed film of a cameraman leaning over the side of an aeroplane taking pictures of enemy positions during WW1. It looked pretty precarious.

On 11/06/2013 23:29, Charles Ellson wrote: > On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 16:12:09 +0100, David Mills > <dcm19401@gmailREMOVE.com> wrote: > >> My g/gfather ,born ca 1853 was described in the 1911 as an army pensioner. >> He served practically his whole time in Ireland and then India >> I have found several alternatives from Free BMD as to where and when he died. >> Presumably his pension ceased when he died, so can anyone tell me how I >> can find this information? >> > Generally in the National Archives at Kew. See e.g. :- > http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-person/britisharmysoldierupto1913.htm > [soldiers] > http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-person/britisharmyofficerbefore1913.htm > [officers] > > Note that FreeBMD only covers England and Wales, he would only have > needed to be away for the weekend to escape inclusion. > > for Scotland :- > copies of films of death register indexes are available at various LDS > family history centres, the electronic version can be searched in > www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk > > for Ireland :- > see www.familysearch.org for an electronic version of the deaths > indexes up to the 1950s. > > Mann :- > http://www.manxbmd.com/ (third party electronic version of indexes) > > However, if he was domiciled in England and Wales and left estate > requiring probate or administration then wherever he died he should > feature in the PRFD indexes which can be viewed (up to 196x) in > Ancestry and compared with your list of possible death index entries. > I have his army record which goes from his enlistment to the time he was discharged. However what I am looking for is the date at which his pension ceased to be paid. Is this This will then give an approximate date of death which will cut down the number certificates I will have to buy.

On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 16:12:09 +0100, David Mills <dcm19401@gmailREMOVE.com> wrote: >My g/gfather ,born ca 1853 was described in the 1911 as an army pensioner. >He served practically his whole time in Ireland and then India >I have found several alternatives from Free BMD as to where and when he died. >Presumably his pension ceased when he died, so can anyone tell me how I >can find this information? > Generally in the National Archives at Kew. See e.g. :- http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-person/britisharmysoldierupto1913.htm [soldiers] http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-person/britisharmyofficerbefore1913.htm [officers] Note that FreeBMD only covers England and Wales, he would only have needed to be away for the weekend to escape inclusion. for Scotland :- copies of films of death register indexes are available at various LDS family history centres, the electronic version can be searched in www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk for Ireland :- see www.familysearch.org for an electronic version of the deaths indexes up to the 1950s. Mann :- http://www.manxbmd.com/ (third party electronic version of indexes) However, if he was domiciled in England and Wales and left estate requiring probate or administration then wherever he died he should feature in the PRFD indexes which can be viewed (up to 196x) in Ancestry and compared with your list of possible death index entries.

On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 19:01:28 -0400 (EDT), Mary Lou <mlou1173@aol.com> wrote: > >-----Original Message----- >From: Charles Ellson <ce11son@yahoo.ca> >To: genbrit <genbrit@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Mon, Jun 10, 2013 3:00 pm >Subject: Re: Royal Artillery 1914 job decription > > >On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 12:29:23 +0100, MB <MB@nospam.nospam> wrote: > >>On 09/06/2013 21:54, Graeme Wall wrote: >>> I did think of that but I can't for the life of me see why the RA would >>> need specialist projectionists in that era. Would be part of the job >>> for a cameraman. The term Cinematographer is still used in the film >>> industry for the principal cameraman. >> >> >>Film cameraman seems most likely. There would be a need for films for >>training, records of equipment trials and PR purposes. >> >>Much less demand for projectionists, perhaps a large training >>establishment or headquarters (where film of secret trials might be >>viewed) could have one. >> >Looking at various histories for the time it seems quite likely that >(away from the world of entertainment) the projectionist and cameraman >were quite likely to be the same person or part of the same crew. > > >How about a specialist in projectiles......as in rockets and/or bombs?? > That would probably have been a "grenadier" in Big Mistake 1. >Just a thought......mary lou >

On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 00:26:25 +0100, "Piercefield" <Piercefield@btinternet.com> wrote: >Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote, Sunday, June 09, 2013 2:32 PM >>> I guess change with time is more correct, >> What is correct? >> Usually one put a source reference with any record. >> The data in the record should be what is in the source. > >... is what I would do. > >> Is this correct? > >The "correct" answer is - "whatever floats your boat" ! > >It's YOUR hobby / Tree - you do whatever *you* prefer. > His preference presumably involves a format which will enable interchange of information with others not e.g. the Ancestry-style use of arbitrary location names which do not resemble the conventional usage within the countries of the UK and which thus hinders the comparison of information.

"Poll Book for the County of Dorset, in the Different Districts at the General Election of 1857" A copy of this is held at the Dorchester Family History Centre. http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=303613 It gives the names of about 1250 Voters, their village, their Polling Station and Booth, AND how they voted ! The book is also available free from Google Books as a 105 page book in .PDF file in image format. This I have downloaded, and OCRed, and saved as a searchable .pdf – but that is 17 MegaBytes in size, so can’t really be posted, either through e-mail nor snail-mail. Be aware that OCR is still not perfect, and there are bound to be errors. So if you don’t find what you seek, it may still be there, unrecognised ! And if you should find an error, please tell me what it is so that I can correct it [ "It" ???] This file contains just the Index of the 1,256 Surnames. There is a similar file to this, but much larger, which contains 1,256 lines, one per Voter, with the full name of each. Both are available for download in the Library at spanglefish.com/okefordfitzpaine If you want a look-up, just ask. Here's the surname list:- Names of Voters abstracted from the 1857 Dorset Poll Book Surname No. of that name A'Barrow 1 Abbott 9 Adams 9 Adlam 1 Ailes 1 Aimes 1 Aines 1 Ainsworth 2 Aish 2 Akerman 2 Aldridge 1 Alexander 1 Allandale 1 Allen 5 Allner 1 Alner 1 Alpin 2 Alsford 1 Alston 1 Amey 2 Anderson 1 Andrews 22 Angel 2 Ansley 1 Ansty 3 Antell 2 Anthony 1 Applin 1 Apsey 2 Arden 3 Argyle 1 Arnold 5 Ash 1 Ashford 1 Atherton 1 Atkins 4 Atkinson 1 Attwool 1 Attwooll 15 Austen 4 Austin 1 Ayles 6 Ayling 1 Babington 4 Bagg 1 Bagwell 2 Bailey 5 Baker 15 Ball 4 Ballam 1 Balson 3 Bankes 1 Banks 1 Bannon 1 Barge 2 Barling 1 Barnes 15 Barnicott 1 Barratt 1 Barrett 10 Barter 1 Bartlett 12 Bartley 1 Bascombe 5 Baskerville 1 Baskett 1 Bason 1 Bastable 4 Bastard 1 Bastow 1 Batt 1 Battrick 1 Baunton 1 Baverstock 2 Baxter 1 Bayly 3 Bazell 2 Beach 1 Bead 2 Beadon 1 Beale 4 Beasant 1 Beaton 1 Beech 1 Bell 4 Belson 1 Benfield 1 Benham 1 Benjafield 6 Bennet 1 Bennett 9 Bentley 2 Bently 1 Besant 3 Besent 3 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"CWatters" wrote in message news:M7CdnVEYG8VXfCjMnZ2dnUVZ8jSdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk... On 09/06/2013 23:53, Richard van Schaik wrote: > On 09-06-2013 15:17, Lesley Robertson wrote: >> Grrrr, >> I've just had an email from someone wanting me to send him all >> of the >> photos included in the burial ground section of my website! >If they are already on your web site tell him to download them? I suspect that he doesn't like the low res versions I use to keep the size of my site down.... Each one has a transcription so he can't gain anything from the high res versions. Lesley

My g/gfather ,born ca 1853 was described in the 1911 as an army pensioner. He served practically his whole time in Ireland and then India I have found several alternatives from Free BMD asto where and when he died. Presumably his pension ceased when he died, so can anyone tell me how I can find this information? Thank you

My latest "Famous family trees" blog has just been published on the Findmypast website at: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/2013/06/famous-family-trees-clare-balding/ The subject of my latest researches is the TV presenter and Channel 4 racing presenter CLARE BALDING, whose ancestry is rather colourful. Through her mother, she is a direct descendant of William the Conqueror and of seven other medieval monarchs. Some of her ancestors met sticky ends through execution, among them her 14th great-grandfather George Plantagenet, Duke of Clarence, who, as Shakespeare had it, was drowned in a butt of Malmsey wine. Her 13th great-grandmother was Margaret Countess of Salisbury, who was messily beheaded as a Catholic martyr at 67 on the orders of Henry VIII in 1541. She descends from the Earls of Derby, one of whom founded the Epsom Derby and The Oaks, and her royal descent is through the Earls of Huntingdon. She descends also from the Plantagenets who were deeply involved in the Wars of the Roses. What particularly intrigued me, though, was discovering that she is one-quarter American through her paternal grandmother, Eleanor Hoagland, a New York society heiress who married Clare's grandfather, Gerald Matthews Balding, a well-known English polo player in America in the 1930s, in New York in 1935. The Hoagland family's entry in the US 1920 census can be seen as part of the blog. Her American ancestry can be traced back to a Dutch immigrant into what was then New Amsterdam in 1634. Her great-great-great-grandfather, Joseph Christoffel Hoagland (1841-1899) founded in 1873 what became the largest baking powder manufacturer in America. The ancestry comes through Clare's father, Ian Balding, trainer of some of the Queen's horses, who is half-American through his mother Eleanor Hoagland, having been born in America in 1938. As far as I can see, I don't think anyone has gone into Clare Balding's American ancestry in any detail before. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Steve Hayes wrote: > Speaking of conserving data, has anyone been using the new (or rather new new) > FamilySearch? > > I've been having a look at it, and it seems to be one of the better places > for keeping an online family tree. My review is here: > > http://t.co/1oFxWjJOHk > > I've resisted the commercial sites for putting your family tree online, but > the FamilySearch people seem to have learnt from others' mistakes, and since > they're not in it mainly for the money, it seems more likely that it will > last. > I'm not sure that for my purposes nnfs differs that much from onfs except that it now has a new front page to go into the online tree. As I only use fs at all to look up specific records this is just a nuisance if forget to include /search in the URL. -- Ian The Hotmail address is my spam-bin. Real mail address is iang at austonley org uk

On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 01:17:30 +0200, Richard van Schaik <f.m.a.vanschaikREMOVE@THISgmail.com> wrote: >On 10-06-2013 15:35, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: >> So: be grateful to those who would copy all your stuff, they are doing >> your descendants a favour. > >And they copy the mistakes you (or I) inadvertently made and those do >get their own live? I made some other arrangement for my data hoping to >keep it save for future generations. I know any arrangement has its >pitfalls. Most is on my site but not all as part is far beyond my scope >(but entered it), part less then three generations, part not reliable >enough. The way I am thinking of conserves all and might enhance. Future >will learn after I've stopped learning. Speaking of conserving data, has anyone been using the new (or rather new new) FamilySearch? I've been having a look at it, and it seems to be one of the better places for keeping an online family tree. My review is here: http://t.co/1oFxWjJOHk I've resisted the commercial sites for putting your family tree online, but the FamilySearch people seem to have learnt from others' mistakes, and since they're not in it mainly for the money, it seems more likely that it will last. -- Steve Hayes Web: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com/ http://hayesgreene.blogspot.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/afgen/

On 10-06-2013 15:35, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > On 9 Jun at 23:53, Richard van Schaik > <f.m.a.vanschaikREMOVE@THISgmail.com> wrote: > >> On 09-06-2013 15:17, Lesley Robertson wrote: >>> Grrrr, >>> I've just had an email from someone wanting me to send him all of > the >>> photos included in the burial ground section of my website! It's a >>> complete burial ground, there's a lot of photos (and work) there. I >>> politely replied that I wasn't willing to send them all, and that >>> there's no way that all of the people in the burial ground are >>> related. The answer's just come back that he has nearly all the >>> names, so needs all the pictures, but if I don't want to send him >>> all of them, could he just have those in a longish list.... >>> >>> I'm a bit reluctant to tell him that I know that there's several >>> unrelated lines among the more common surnames because I've checked >>> the families in case he demands the research notes as well! >>> >>> I don't mind helping people with ancestors in my OPS, but this is >>> seriously over the top! >>> >>> Grrrrr Lesley Robertson >> >> Looks similar to me to one asking the whole family tree on some >> surname. I then think "can be found in the archives if you are willing >> to spend time". My scope here is "if he wants it he can get it at the >> respective graveyards". Willing to help but not on such a major work >> for own purposes. > > That's more like it: I don't do pictures but have been known to make an > entry or two into a family tree. The issue I am faced with is that I am > not immortal and our infants are not too interested to working over all > this dusty stuff. But at some time in the future it is likely that > someone will actually take an interest again in the family tree. Where > do they find it? The only finding place that I reckon will last is the > internet itself. So I put all my hard won factoids and the odd > less-than-factoid on an internet site and anyone can and does copy it, > thus preserving it for their lifetime as well as mine. > > So: be grateful to those who would copy all your stuff, they are doing > your descendants a favour. And they copy the mistakes you (or I) inadvertently made and those do get their own live? I made some other arrangement for my data hoping to keep it save for future generations. I know any arrangement has its pitfalls. Most is on my site but not all as part is far beyond my scope (but entered it), part less then three generations, part not reliable enough. The way I am thinking of conserves all and might enhance. Future will learn after I've stopped learning. Richard -- Richard van Schaik f.m.a.vanschaikREMOVE@THISgmail.com http://www.fmavanschaik.nl/

Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote, Sunday, June 09, 2013 2:32 PM >> I guess change with time is more correct, > What is correct? > Usually one put a source reference with any record. > The data in the record should be what is in the source. ... is what I would do. > Is this correct? The "correct" answer is - "whatever floats your boat" ! It's YOUR hobby / Tree - you do whatever *you* prefer.