In message <kph8id$524$1@dont-email.me>, David Mills <dcm19401@gmailREMOVE.com> writes: >On 15/06/2013 07:48, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: >> In message <kpcurr$evq$1@dont-email.me>, David Mills >> <dcm19401@gmailREMOVE.com> writes: >>> On 13/06/2013 16:17, Tickettyboo wrote: >>>> On 2013-06-12 21:52:01 +0100, David Mills said: >> [] >>>>> His name was Thomas Aldridge, born 1853 in Braughing,Herts., living >>>>> according to the 1911 census in East Ham with his son Jesse. >> [] >>> I had bought the Fulham death certificate some while back but the >>> informant was his son A Aldridge so I ruled that one out. >> >> Are you sure he didn't have a son A.? I know there's no such living with >> him in the 1901 (see another post in this thread), but he could have >> left or not been born by then. >> [] >>> Thanks tick boo >In the 1911 census thomas states 2 children born alive and 2 living. Ah, so none _before_ Emma and Jesse. I suppose could be more later, though as mother would be 46ish by the time of the '11 (and they were both born well before the '01), you're probably right that "A." is son of another. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Quantity is no substitute for quality, but it's the only one we've got.

On 15/06/2013 07:48, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: > In message <kpcurr$evq$1@dont-email.me>, David Mills > <dcm19401@gmailREMOVE.com> writes: >> On 13/06/2013 16:17, Tickettyboo wrote: >>> On 2013-06-12 21:52:01 +0100, David Mills said: > [] >>>> His name was Thomas Aldridge, born 1853 in Braughing,Herts., living >>>> according to the 1911 census in East Ham with his son Jesse. > [] >> I had bought the Fulham death certificate some while back but the >> informant was his son A Aldridge so I ruled that one out. > > Are you sure he didn't have a son A.? I know there's no such living with > him in the 1901 (see another post in this thread), but he could have > left or not been born by then. > [] >> Thanks tick boo In the 1911 census thomas states 2 children born alive and 2 living.

On 15/06/2013 00:16, CWatters wrote: > On 14/06/2013 18:26, David Mills wrote: >> On 14/06/2013 17:53, David Mills wrote: >>> On 13/06/2013 20:45, CWatters wrote: >>>> On 13/06/2013 20:43, CWatters wrote: >>>>> On 11/06/2013 16:12, David Mills wrote: >>>>>> My g/gfather ,born ca 1853 was described in the 1911 as an army >>>>>> pensioner. >>>>>> He served practically his whole time in Ireland and then India >>>>> >>>>> Do you know if he came back from India? >>>>> >>>> >>>> Forget that. I guess he must have come back to be in the 1911 ! >>>> >>>> >>> could have been a flying visit.??????? >> The above was tongue in cheek >> >> In 1911 Thomas was employed as a builder's carman and was lodging in >> East Ham with his son. His wife died in 1910 >> What I could do is get Jesse's marriage cert. >> In 1923 he married,the bride's surname was Hajee. I got that from >> free BMD. I immediately thought he'd marries a muslim, but it is also a >> Dutch name, and her christian names were Theresa Gladys! >> It might say on the cert. father "deceased" If not Ah well!! >> > > The 1901 also mentions a daughter > > Thomas Aldridge 43 > Maria Aldridge 36 > Emma A Aldridge 8 > Jesse T Aldridge 5 > > This family is a real pain. Maria's maiden name was Drake and according to censuses was born in different places. I couldn't find her birth record for the reason that Maria was her middle name the first being Laura!!!! Thank you Mrs Gaskin of t)he GOONS for that nugget of information. Emma (it's Emmma M for May) Aldridge left her husband for another man in the 1920's. On her death certificate (1925) the informant is given as her husband who had the same name as Emma's married name. An assumption of the registrar or Albert lied about the relationship!!!! Another interesting fact or two.. I couldn't find Maria's death, although there was one in Mitcham Surrey that seemed to fit although it seemed strange that someone that lived in London should die in Surrey. I suddenly remembered after several months, (it's strange how these things just pop into one's mind) that Maria's g/son (my uncle) was born in Mitcham although he grew up in East Ham. I discovered that Maria had a sister who lived in Mitcham and Maria had died at her sisters address, the same as that where my uncle was born. Thomas was the informant of Maria's death and he gave his address in East Ham. Emma was born in Tottenham but the 1901 census says Chelsea!!!!! this family is driving me mad!!

In message <kpcurr$evq$1@dont-email.me>, David Mills <dcm19401@gmailREMOVE.com> writes: >On 13/06/2013 16:17, Tickettyboo wrote: >> On 2013-06-12 21:52:01 +0100, David Mills said: [] >>> His name was Thomas Aldridge, born 1853 in Braughing,Herts., living >>> according to the 1911 census in East Ham with his son Jesse. [] >I had bought the Fulham death certificate some while back but the >informant was his son A Aldridge so I ruled that one out. Are you sure he didn't have a son A.? I know there's no such living with him in the 1901 (see another post in this thread), but he could have left or not been born by then. [] >Thanks tick boo -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Under democracy one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to prove that the other party is unfit to rule - and both commonly succeed, and are right. -H.L. Mencken, writer, editor, and critic (1880-1956)

On 14/06/2013 18:26, David Mills wrote: > On 14/06/2013 17:53, David Mills wrote: >> On 13/06/2013 20:45, CWatters wrote: >>> On 13/06/2013 20:43, CWatters wrote: >>>> On 11/06/2013 16:12, David Mills wrote: >>>>> My g/gfather ,born ca 1853 was described in the 1911 as an army >>>>> pensioner. >>>>> He served practically his whole time in Ireland and then India >>>> >>>> Do you know if he came back from India? >>>> >>> >>> Forget that. I guess he must have come back to be in the 1911 ! >>> >>> >> could have been a flying visit.??????? > The above was tongue in cheek > > In 1911 Thomas was employed as a builder's carman and was lodging in > East Ham with his son. His wife died in 1910 > What I could do is get Jesse's marriage cert. > In 1923 he married,the bride's surname was Hajee. I got that from > free BMD. I immediately thought he'd marries a muslim, but it is also a > Dutch name, and her christian names were Theresa Gladys! > It might say on the cert. father "deceased" If not Ah well!! > There is fair bit about her on a well know site.. London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 Theresa Gladys Hajee Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 4 Feb 1900 Father's Name: William David Hajee Mother's Name: Theresa Hajee Parish or Poor Law Union: Finsbury Park St Thomas Borough: Islington Register Type: Parish Registers 1911 England Census about Gladys Hajee Name: Gladys Hajee Age in 1911: 11 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900 Relation to Head: Daughter Gender: Female Birth Place: Islington, London, England Civil Parish: East Ham County/Island: Essex Country: England Street Address: 134 Ruskin Avenue, Manor Park E, Essex Occupation: school Registration District: West Ham Registration District Number: 188 Sub-registration District: North East Ham ED, institution, or vessel: 22 Household Schedule Number: 385 Piece: 9578 Household Members: Name Age William David Hajee 41 Teresa Hajee 41 William Hajee 16 Charles Hajee 14 Gladys Hajee 11

On 14/06/2013 18:26, David Mills wrote: > On 14/06/2013 17:53, David Mills wrote: >> On 13/06/2013 20:45, CWatters wrote: >>> On 13/06/2013 20:43, CWatters wrote: >>>> On 11/06/2013 16:12, David Mills wrote: >>>>> My g/gfather ,born ca 1853 was described in the 1911 as an army >>>>> pensioner. >>>>> He served practically his whole time in Ireland and then India >>>> >>>> Do you know if he came back from India? >>>> >>> >>> Forget that. I guess he must have come back to be in the 1911 ! >>> >>> >> could have been a flying visit.??????? > The above was tongue in cheek > > In 1911 Thomas was employed as a builder's carman and was lodging in > East Ham with his son. His wife died in 1910 > What I could do is get Jesse's marriage cert. > In 1923 he married,the bride's surname was Hajee. I got that from > free BMD. I immediately thought he'd marries a muslim, but it is also a > Dutch name, and her christian names were Theresa Gladys! > It might say on the cert. father "deceased" If not Ah well!! > The 1901 also mentions a daughter Thomas Aldridge 43 Maria Aldridge 36 Emma A Aldridge 8 Jesse T Aldridge 5

On 14/06/2013 17:53, David Mills wrote: > On 13/06/2013 20:45, CWatters wrote: >> On 13/06/2013 20:43, CWatters wrote: >>> On 11/06/2013 16:12, David Mills wrote: >>>> My g/gfather ,born ca 1853 was described in the 1911 as an army >>>> pensioner. >>>> He served practically his whole time in Ireland and then India >>> >>> Do you know if he came back from India? >>> >> >> Forget that. I guess he must have come back to be in the 1911 ! >> >> > could have been a flying visit.??????? The above was tongue in cheek In 1911 Thomas was employed as a builder's carman and was lodging in East Ham with his son. His wife died in 1910 What I could do is get Jesse's marriage cert. In 1923 he married,the bride's surname was Hajee. I got that from free BMD. I immediately thought he'd marries a muslim, but it is also a Dutch name, and her christian names were Theresa Gladys! It might say on the cert. father "deceased" If not Ah well!!

On 13/06/2013 20:45, CWatters wrote: > On 13/06/2013 20:43, CWatters wrote: >> On 11/06/2013 16:12, David Mills wrote: >>> My g/gfather ,born ca 1853 was described in the 1911 as an army >>> pensioner. >>> He served practically his whole time in Ireland and then India >> >> Do you know if he came back from India? >> > > Forget that. I guess he must have come back to be in the 1911 ! > > could have been a flying visit.???????

Anne, thought you may be interested that I found the childrens baptisms on Ancestry's Manchester baptisms database, and by comparing these with FreeBMD it turns out that Ellen's maiden name was Mallinson and not FLYNN, So its now back to searching for Henry and Ellen LEE again possibly in combination for the post 1931 London Electoral Rolls. cheers from Bob in Brisbane

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Anne, you are correct in this being not my Henry John LEE as I just downloaded the images and gave this some close scrutiny. The first page does say yes to being married but written next is the word separated. However the clincher was where he said he was born in Surrey and a corresponding Freebmd record has him registered as Henry James at Guildford in 1878. Oh well back to the drawing board with this one ! Also my mistake Henry's wife was always Ellen or Helen Flynn from Liverpool, which is the same one you found in 1881 and registered in 1879. What's your make on the 1911 housekeeper Ellen LEE who has 2 children taking on the name of the head of household Ernest Cowell? Should I try to locate the eldest son Ernest Cowell LEE's birth registration and also Ellen LEE's death (assuming she stayed somewhere near Bury in Lancashire) and didn't re-marry . There may be mention of Henry LEE in that record somewhere perhaps? There seems to be no corresponding birth registration for this mother/housekeeper in Lancashire where she states and in 1879 under Ellen LEE! I have noted an Ernest Cowell died in September 1922 at Chorlton in Lancashire aged 44 (1878!) which may be the head of household. cheers from Bob in Brisbane -----Original Message----- From: Anne Chambers Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 8:38 PM To: genbrit@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Fw: Henry John LEE? Anne Chambers wrote: > > > The service record for Henry JAMES Lee, RASC does not say anything about > him being married/separated, just > says next of kin P Pritchard living with him as his wife. He's actually signed his attestation form 'Henry James Lee' so it's not a clerical error. I think the chances of his being your Henry John Lee are slight. -- Anne Chambers South Australia anne dot chambers at bigpond dot com

On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 21:15:08 +0100, Charles Ellson <ce11son@yahoo.ca> wrote: >On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 18:34:20 +0100, Tickettyboo ><tickettyboo@mail2oops.com> wrote: > >>On 2013-06-13 18:22:37 +0100, David Mills said: >> >>> On 13/06/2013 16:17, Tickettyboo wrote: >>>> On 2013-06-12 21:52:01 +0100, David Mills said: >>>> >>>>> On 12/06/2013 19:28, Charles Ellson wrote: >>>>>> On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 14:46:16 +0100, David Mills >>>>>> <dcm19401@gmailREMOVE.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 11/06/2013 23:29, Charles Ellson wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 16:12:09 +0100, David Mills >>>>>>>> <dcm19401@gmailREMOVE.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My g/gfather ,born ca 1853 was described in the 1911 as an army >>>>>>>>> pensioner. >>>>>>>>> He served practically his whole time in Ireland and then India >>>>>>>>> I have found several alternatives from Free BMD as to where and >>>>>>>>> when he died. >>>>>>>>> Presumably his pension ceased when he died, so can anyone tell me >>>>>>>>> how I >>>>>>>>> can find this information? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Generally in the National Archives at Kew. See e.g. :- >>>>>>>> http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-person/britisharmysoldierupto1913.htm >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [soldiers] >>>>>>>> http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-person/britisharmyofficerbefore1913.htm >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [officers] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Note that FreeBMD only covers England and Wales, he would only have >>>>>>>> needed to be away for the weekend to escape inclusion. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> for Scotland :- >>>>>>>> copies of films of death register indexes are available at various LDS >>>>>>>> family history centres, the electronic version can be searched in >>>>>>>> www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> for Ireland :- >>>>>>>> see www.familysearch.org for an electronic version of the deaths >>>>>>>> indexes up to the 1950s. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mann :- >>>>>>>> http://www.manxbmd.com/ (third party electronic version of indexes) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> However, if he was domiciled in England and Wales and left estate >>>>>>>> requiring probate or administration then wherever he died he should >>>>>>>> feature in the PRFD indexes which can be viewed (up to 196x) in >>>>>>>> Ancestry and compared with your list of possible death index entries. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have his army record which goes from his enlistment to the time he >>>>>>> was >>>>>>> discharged. >>>>>>> However what I am looking for is the date at which his pension >>>>>>> ceased to >>>>>>> be paid. >>>>>>> Is this >>>>>>> This will then give an approximate date of death which will cut down >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> number certificates I will have to buy. >>>>>>> >>>>>> If there is a match in the PRFD indexes then that should give you the >>>>>> actual date of his death and maybe the place. Can you give us his name >>>>>> and birth year and last known whereabouts ? Am I correct in thinking >>>>>> you don't have access to Ancestry ? >>>>>> >>>>> His name was Thomas Aldridge, born 1853 in Braughing,Herts., living >>>>> according to the 1911 census in East Ham with his son Jesse. >>>>> He serve in the army from 1869 to 1888 most of the time in India. >>>>> That is the last sighting of him. >>>>> Jesse was a lot easier to follow into the future. >>>> >>>> There are two entries in the GRO deaths index for Thomas Aldridge born >>>> 1853+/- a year who died in the London area. >>>> 1911 Q3 Fulham - there is a likely corresponding Probate Calendar entry >>>> for this man: >>>> Probate Calendar Thomas of 49 Kinnoul-road Fulham Middlesex, died 24 >>>> September 1911, Administration London 9 October ro Arthur Aldridge >>>> fitter. Effects £300 7s 1d >>>> >>>> The other one was 1929 Q2 St George Hanover Square, I can't see a >>>> Probate Calendar entry for this one, but I looked at the London >>>> Electoral roll for 1929 (which was in force 1st May 1929 to 14th October >>>> 1930, so probably compiled before this death date) and there was a >>>> Thomas Aldridge registered to vote in the Royal Hospital District. > He was also listed there in 1926 and 1927 but doesn't seem to show up earlier or late than than 1926-1929. >>>> His address was Long Ward so it would seem he was an In Pensioner. Maybe >>>> it was 'your' Thomas and he gave up his pension and went to live in when >>>> he got old? >>>> Its a long shot, I know. >>>> >>>> http://www.chelsea-pensioners.co.uk/tracing-chelsea-pensioner-ancestors >>>> >>>> That page may help you. >>>> >>> Thank you for your info. >>> I had bought the Fulham death certificate some while back but the >>> informant was his son A Aldridge so I ruled that one out. >>> The other in the St Georges Hanover Sq I had ruled out because I >>> thought that that district didn't cover the Chelsea Hospital. >>> However I shall get the certificate based on your info, >>> Thanks tick boo >> >>OOh before you order it, I don't know if that district 'does' cover the >>Chelsea Hospital, but deaths are registered in the district they occur >>so its still a 'possible'. It was the electoral roll entry that made me >>wonder. >><Boo, hoping David won't bill me if this isn't the correct cert ! :-) > >> >St George HS is IIRC much of London SW1 reaching at least as far south >as the area now lost under Victoria Tower Gardens at the south end of >the Palace of Westminster. It is a bit along the road from the Chelsea >Hospital but possibly could have included one or two of the local >"real" hospitals that a resident of the RH might have been taken to. >Thomas seems to be a "loose end" in around half a dozen or so family >trees in Ancestry; I might have a look later to see if his son stayed >in the area or moved away in case his dad went with him. > And a bit more :- There is what looks like the marriage of his son in 1923 :- DEC 1923 West Ham 4a 624 to Theresa G HAJEE Jesse seems to have died in 1946 :- MAR 1946 East Ham 4a 120 50y Theresa seems to have died in 1955 :- JUN 1955 East Ham 5a 9 55y The PRFD index entry gives her address as 53 Burges Road LONDON E6 and her death as 2 May 1955 at the East Ham Memorial Hospital. Unfortunately there was no will, administration being granted to Ronald Thomas William ALDRIDGE, overseas representative. There is no entry for Jesse. That doesn't directly locate Thomas but possibly knocks on the head the possibility that they all emigrated or moved away from the London/Essex area.

On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 18:34:20 +0100, Tickettyboo <tickettyboo@mail2oops.com> wrote: >On 2013-06-13 18:22:37 +0100, David Mills said: > >> On 13/06/2013 16:17, Tickettyboo wrote: >>> On 2013-06-12 21:52:01 +0100, David Mills said: >>> >>>> On 12/06/2013 19:28, Charles Ellson wrote: >>>>> On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 14:46:16 +0100, David Mills >>>>> <dcm19401@gmailREMOVE.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 11/06/2013 23:29, Charles Ellson wrote: >>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 16:12:09 +0100, David Mills >>>>>>> <dcm19401@gmailREMOVE.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My g/gfather ,born ca 1853 was described in the 1911 as an army >>>>>>>> pensioner. >>>>>>>> He served practically his whole time in Ireland and then India >>>>>>>> I have found several alternatives from Free BMD as to where and >>>>>>>> when he died. >>>>>>>> Presumably his pension ceased when he died, so can anyone tell me >>>>>>>> how I >>>>>>>> can find this information? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Generally in the National Archives at Kew. See e.g. :- >>>>>>> http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-person/britisharmysoldierupto1913.htm >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [soldiers] >>>>>>> http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-person/britisharmyofficerbefore1913.htm >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [officers] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Note that FreeBMD only covers England and Wales, he would only have >>>>>>> needed to be away for the weekend to escape inclusion. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> for Scotland :- >>>>>>> copies of films of death register indexes are available at various LDS >>>>>>> family history centres, the electronic version can be searched in >>>>>>> www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk >>>>>>> >>>>>>> for Ireland :- >>>>>>> see www.familysearch.org for an electronic version of the deaths >>>>>>> indexes up to the 1950s. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mann :- >>>>>>> http://www.manxbmd.com/ (third party electronic version of indexes) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> However, if he was domiciled in England and Wales and left estate >>>>>>> requiring probate or administration then wherever he died he should >>>>>>> feature in the PRFD indexes which can be viewed (up to 196x) in >>>>>>> Ancestry and compared with your list of possible death index entries. >>>>>>> >>>>>> I have his army record which goes from his enlistment to the time he >>>>>> was >>>>>> discharged. >>>>>> However what I am looking for is the date at which his pension >>>>>> ceased to >>>>>> be paid. >>>>>> Is this >>>>>> This will then give an approximate date of death which will cut down >>>>>> the >>>>>> number certificates I will have to buy. >>>>>> >>>>> If there is a match in the PRFD indexes then that should give you the >>>>> actual date of his death and maybe the place. Can you give us his name >>>>> and birth year and last known whereabouts ? Am I correct in thinking >>>>> you don't have access to Ancestry ? >>>>> >>>> His name was Thomas Aldridge, born 1853 in Braughing,Herts., living >>>> according to the 1911 census in East Ham with his son Jesse. >>>> He serve in the army from 1869 to 1888 most of the time in India. >>>> That is the last sighting of him. >>>> Jesse was a lot easier to follow into the future. >>> >>> There are two entries in the GRO deaths index for Thomas Aldridge born >>> 1853+/- a year who died in the London area. >>> 1911 Q3 Fulham - there is a likely corresponding Probate Calendar entry >>> for this man: >>> Probate Calendar Thomas of 49 Kinnoul-road Fulham Middlesex, died 24 >>> September 1911, Administration London 9 October ro Arthur Aldridge >>> fitter. Effects £300 7s 1d >>> >>> The other one was 1929 Q2 St George Hanover Square, I can't see a >>> Probate Calendar entry for this one, but I looked at the London >>> Electoral roll for 1929 (which was in force 1st May 1929 to 14th October >>> 1930, so probably compiled before this death date) and there was a >>> Thomas Aldridge registered to vote in the Royal Hospital District. >>> His address was Long Ward so it would seem he was an In Pensioner. Maybe >>> it was 'your' Thomas and he gave up his pension and went to live in when >>> he got old? >>> Its a long shot, I know. >>> >>> http://www.chelsea-pensioners.co.uk/tracing-chelsea-pensioner-ancestors >>> >>> That page may help you. >>> >> Thank you for your info. >> I had bought the Fulham death certificate some while back but the >> informant was his son A Aldridge so I ruled that one out. >> The other in the St Georges Hanover Sq I had ruled out because I >> thought that that district didn't cover the Chelsea Hospital. >> However I shall get the certificate based on your info, >> Thanks tick boo > >OOh before you order it, I don't know if that district 'does' cover the >Chelsea Hospital, but deaths are registered in the district they occur >so its still a 'possible'. It was the electoral roll entry that made me >wonder. ><Boo, hoping David won't bill me if this isn't the correct cert ! :-) > > St George HS is IIRC much of London SW1 reaching at least as far south as the area now lost under Victoria Tower Gardens at the south end of the Palace of Westminster. It is a bit along the road from the Chelsea Hospital but possibly could have included one or two of the local "real" hospitals that a resident of the RH might have been taken to. Thomas seems to be a "loose end" in around half a dozen or so family trees in Ancestry; I might have a look later to see if his son stayed in the area or moved away in case his dad went with him.

On 13/06/2013 20:43, CWatters wrote: > On 11/06/2013 16:12, David Mills wrote: >> My g/gfather ,born ca 1853 was described in the 1911 as an army >> pensioner. >> He served practically his whole time in Ireland and then India > > Do you know if he came back from India? > Forget that. I guess he must have come back to be in the 1911 !

On 11/06/2013 16:12, David Mills wrote: > My g/gfather ,born ca 1853 was described in the 1911 as an army pensioner. > He served practically his whole time in Ireland and then India Do you know if he came back from India? One of ours didn't. When he left the army he got married and lived out there.

Anne Chambers wrote: > > > The service record for Henry JAMES Lee, RASC does not say anything about him being married/separated, just > says next of kin P Pritchard living with him as his wife. He's actually signed his attestation form 'Henry James Lee' so it's not a clerical error. I think the chances of his being your Henry John Lee are slight. -- Anne Chambers South Australia anne dot chambers at bigpond dot com

CWatters wrote: > On 13/06/2013 02:17, Bob Campbell wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Here is a transcript entry from the WW1 service records for whom I believe >> is My Henry John LEE: > > You didn't mention having the birth record but sounds very much like like this one... > > Births Jun 1879 > Lee Henry John Edmonton 3a 244 > > Edmonton includes Tottenham.. > > http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/edmonton.html > > Sub-districts : Cheshunt, East Tottenham, Edmonton, Enfield, Hampstead, Hornsey, Pymmes Park, Southgate, > Tottenham, Waltham Abbey, West Tottenham, Wood Green. > > A member tree on Ancestry suggests he married.. > > Helen Flyn on 4 Nov 1900 at Hackney St John's, London, Middlesex, England > > FreedBMD has > > Surname First name(s) District Vol Page > > Marriages Dec 1900 > > Beech James Henry Hackney 1b 861 > Flynn Helen Hackney 1b 861 > Gillard Marion Hackney 1b 861 > Lee Henry John Hackney 1b 861 The father of the Henry John Lee (cellarman) who married Helen Flynn on 4th November 1900 in St John, Hackney is John Lee, carman. This corresponds with the details for Henry John Lee born in South Hatcham in the 1881 census. Her father is William Flynn deceased Births Jun 1879 Flynn Mary Ellen Liverpool 8b 4 1881 census RG11; Piece: 3609; Folio: 30; Page: 6 1 in 9 Court, Adlington Road, Liverpool William Flynn 27 Boarder Widower Cotton Porter b ireland Ellen Flynn 17 months b Liverpool The service record for Henry JAMES Lee, RASC does not say anything about him being married/separated, just says next of kin P Pritchard living with him as his wife. Why do you think Ellen/Helen is Alice ? I think perhaps you have the wrong couple in 1901 Name Age RG13; Piece: 257; Folio: 120; Page: 8. 394 City Road, Islington Henry Lee 23 Engineer's Shop b Tottenham Elen Lee 22 Caretaker b Liverpool -- Anne Chambers South Australia anne dot chambers at bigpond dot com

On 2013-06-13 18:22:37 +0100, David Mills said: > On 13/06/2013 16:17, Tickettyboo wrote: >> On 2013-06-12 21:52:01 +0100, David Mills said: >> >>> On 12/06/2013 19:28, Charles Ellson wrote: >>>> On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 14:46:16 +0100, David Mills >>>> <dcm19401@gmailREMOVE.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 11/06/2013 23:29, Charles Ellson wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 16:12:09 +0100, David Mills >>>>>> <dcm19401@gmailREMOVE.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> My g/gfather ,born ca 1853 was described in the 1911 as an army >>>>>>> pensioner. >>>>>>> He served practically his whole time in Ireland and then India >>>>>>> I have found several alternatives from Free BMD as to where and >>>>>>> when he died. >>>>>>> Presumably his pension ceased when he died, so can anyone tell me >>>>>>> how I >>>>>>> can find this information? >>>>>>> >>>>>> Generally in the National Archives at Kew. See e.g. :- >>>>>> http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-person/britisharmysoldierupto1913.htm >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> [soldiers] >>>>>> http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-person/britisharmyofficerbefore1913.htm >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> [officers] >>>>>> >>>>>> Note that FreeBMD only covers England and Wales, he would only have >>>>>> needed to be away for the weekend to escape inclusion. >>>>>> >>>>>> for Scotland :- >>>>>> copies of films of death register indexes are available at various LDS >>>>>> family history centres, the electronic version can be searched in >>>>>> www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk >>>>>> >>>>>> for Ireland :- >>>>>> see www.familysearch.org for an electronic version of the deaths >>>>>> indexes up to the 1950s. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mann :- >>>>>> http://www.manxbmd.com/ (third party electronic version of indexes) >>>>>> >>>>>> However, if he was domiciled in England and Wales and left estate >>>>>> requiring probate or administration then wherever he died he should >>>>>> feature in the PRFD indexes which can be viewed (up to 196x) in >>>>>> Ancestry and compared with your list of possible death index entries. >>>>>> >>>>> I have his army record which goes from his enlistment to the time he >>>>> was >>>>> discharged. >>>>> However what I am looking for is the date at which his pension >>>>> ceased to >>>>> be paid. >>>>> Is this >>>>> This will then give an approximate date of death which will cut down >>>>> the >>>>> number certificates I will have to buy. >>>>> >>>> If there is a match in the PRFD indexes then that should give you the >>>> actual date of his death and maybe the place. Can you give us his name >>>> and birth year and last known whereabouts ? Am I correct in thinking >>>> you don't have access to Ancestry ? >>>> >>> His name was Thomas Aldridge, born 1853 in Braughing,Herts., living >>> according to the 1911 census in East Ham with his son Jesse. >>> He serve in the army from 1869 to 1888 most of the time in India. >>> That is the last sighting of him. >>> Jesse was a lot easier to follow into the future. >> >> There are two entries in the GRO deaths index for Thomas Aldridge born >> 1853+/- a year who died in the London area. >> 1911 Q3 Fulham - there is a likely corresponding Probate Calendar entry >> for this man: >> Probate Calendar Thomas of 49 Kinnoul-road Fulham Middlesex, died 24 >> September 1911, Administration London 9 October ro Arthur Aldridge >> fitter. Effects £300 7s 1d >> >> The other one was 1929 Q2 St George Hanover Square, I can't see a >> Probate Calendar entry for this one, but I looked at the London >> Electoral roll for 1929 (which was in force 1st May 1929 to 14th October >> 1930, so probably compiled before this death date) and there was a >> Thomas Aldridge registered to vote in the Royal Hospital District. >> His address was Long Ward so it would seem he was an In Pensioner. Maybe >> it was 'your' Thomas and he gave up his pension and went to live in when >> he got old? >> Its a long shot, I know. >> >> http://www.chelsea-pensioners.co.uk/tracing-chelsea-pensioner-ancestors >> >> That page may help you. >> > Thank you for your info. > I had bought the Fulham death certificate some while back but the > informant was his son A Aldridge so I ruled that one out. > The other in the St Georges Hanover Sq I had ruled out because I > thought that that district didn't cover the Chelsea Hospital. > However I shall get the certificate based on your info, > Thanks tick boo OOh before you order it, I don't know if that district 'does' cover the Chelsea Hospital, but deaths are registered in the district they occur so its still a 'possible'. It was the electoral roll entry that made me wonder. <Boo, hoping David won't bill me if this isn't the correct cert ! :-) > -- Tickettyboo

On 13/06/2013 16:17, Tickettyboo wrote: > On 2013-06-12 21:52:01 +0100, David Mills said: > >> On 12/06/2013 19:28, Charles Ellson wrote: >>> On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 14:46:16 +0100, David Mills >>> <dcm19401@gmailREMOVE.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On 11/06/2013 23:29, Charles Ellson wrote: >>>>> On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 16:12:09 +0100, David Mills >>>>> <dcm19401@gmailREMOVE.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> My g/gfather ,born ca 1853 was described in the 1911 as an army >>>>>> pensioner. >>>>>> He served practically his whole time in Ireland and then India >>>>>> I have found several alternatives from Free BMD as to where and >>>>>> when he died. >>>>>> Presumably his pension ceased when he died, so can anyone tell me >>>>>> how I >>>>>> can find this information? >>>>>> >>>>> Generally in the National Archives at Kew. See e.g. :- >>>>> http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-person/britisharmysoldierupto1913.htm >>>>> >>>>> [soldiers] >>>>> http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-person/britisharmyofficerbefore1913.htm >>>>> >>>>> [officers] >>>>> >>>>> Note that FreeBMD only covers England and Wales, he would only have >>>>> needed to be away for the weekend to escape inclusion. >>>>> >>>>> for Scotland :- >>>>> copies of films of death register indexes are available at various LDS >>>>> family history centres, the electronic version can be searched in >>>>> www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk >>>>> >>>>> for Ireland :- >>>>> see www.familysearch.org for an electronic version of the deaths >>>>> indexes up to the 1950s. >>>>> >>>>> Mann :- >>>>> http://www.manxbmd.com/ (third party electronic version of indexes) >>>>> >>>>> However, if he was domiciled in England and Wales and left estate >>>>> requiring probate or administration then wherever he died he should >>>>> feature in the PRFD indexes which can be viewed (up to 196x) in >>>>> Ancestry and compared with your list of possible death index entries. >>>>> >>>> I have his army record which goes from his enlistment to the time he >>>> was >>>> discharged. >>>> However what I am looking for is the date at which his pension >>>> ceased to >>>> be paid. >>>> Is this >>>> This will then give an approximate date of death which will cut down >>>> the >>>> number certificates I will have to buy. >>>> >>> If there is a match in the PRFD indexes then that should give you the >>> actual date of his death and maybe the place. Can you give us his name >>> and birth year and last known whereabouts ? Am I correct in thinking >>> you don't have access to Ancestry ? >>> >> His name was Thomas Aldridge, born 1853 in Braughing,Herts., living >> according to the 1911 census in East Ham with his son Jesse. >> He serve in the army from 1869 to 1888 most of the time in India. >> That is the last sighting of him. >> Jesse was a lot easier to follow into the future. > > There are two entries in the GRO deaths index for Thomas Aldridge born > 1853+/- a year who died in the London area. > 1911 Q3 Fulham - there is a likely corresponding Probate Calendar entry > for this man: > Probate Calendar Thomas of 49 Kinnoul-road Fulham Middlesex, died 24 > September 1911, Administration London 9 October ro Arthur Aldridge > fitter. Effects £300 7s 1d > > The other one was 1929 Q2 St George Hanover Square, I can't see a > Probate Calendar entry for this one, but I looked at the London > Electoral roll for 1929 (which was in force 1st May 1929 to 14th October > 1930, so probably compiled before this death date) and there was a > Thomas Aldridge registered to vote in the Royal Hospital District. > His address was Long Ward so it would seem he was an In Pensioner. Maybe > it was 'your' Thomas and he gave up his pension and went to live in when > he got old? > Its a long shot, I know. > > http://www.chelsea-pensioners.co.uk/tracing-chelsea-pensioner-ancestors > > That page may help you. > Thank you for your info. I had bought the Fulham death certificate some while back but the informant was his son A Aldridge so I ruled that one out. The other in the St Georges Hanover Sq I had ruled out because I thought that that district didn't cover the Chelsea Hospital. However I shall get the certificate based on your info, Thanks tick boo

On 2013-06-12 21:52:01 +0100, David Mills said: > On 12/06/2013 19:28, Charles Ellson wrote: >> On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 14:46:16 +0100, David Mills >> <dcm19401@gmailREMOVE.com> wrote: >> >>> On 11/06/2013 23:29, Charles Ellson wrote: >>>> On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 16:12:09 +0100, David Mills >>>> <dcm19401@gmailREMOVE.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> My g/gfather ,born ca 1853 was described in the 1911 as an army pensioner. >>>>> He served practically his whole time in Ireland and then India >>>>> I have found several alternatives from Free BMD as to where and when he died. >>>>> Presumably his pension ceased when he died, so can anyone tell me how I >>>>> can find this information? >>>>> >>>> Generally in the National Archives at Kew. See e.g. :- >>>> http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-person/britisharmysoldierupto1913.htm >>>> >>>> [soldiers] >>>> http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-person/britisharmyofficerbefore1913.htm >>>> >>>> [officers] >>>> >>>> Note that FreeBMD only covers England and Wales, he would only have >>>> needed to be away for the weekend to escape inclusion. >>>> >>>> for Scotland :- >>>> copies of films of death register indexes are available at various LDS >>>> family history centres, the electronic version can be searched in >>>> www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk >>>> >>>> for Ireland :- >>>> see www.familysearch.org for an electronic version of the deaths >>>> indexes up to the 1950s. >>>> >>>> Mann :- >>>> http://www.manxbmd.com/ (third party electronic version of indexes) >>>> >>>> However, if he was domiciled in England and Wales and left estate >>>> requiring probate or administration then wherever he died he should >>>> feature in the PRFD indexes which can be viewed (up to 196x) in >>>> Ancestry and compared with your list of possible death index entries. >>>> >>> I have his army record which goes from his enlistment to the time he was >>> discharged. >>> However what I am looking for is the date at which his pension ceased to >>> be paid. >>> Is this >>> This will then give an approximate date of death which will cut down the >>> number certificates I will have to buy. >>> >> If there is a match in the PRFD indexes then that should give you the >> actual date of his death and maybe the place. Can you give us his name >> and birth year and last known whereabouts ? Am I correct in thinking >> you don't have access to Ancestry ? >> > His name was Thomas Aldridge, born 1853 in Braughing,Herts., living > according to the 1911 census in East Ham with his son Jesse. > He serve in the army from 1869 to 1888 most of the time in India. > That is the last sighting of him. > Jesse was a lot easier to follow into the future. There are two entries in the GRO deaths index for Thomas Aldridge born 1853+/- a year who died in the London area. 1911 Q3 Fulham - there is a likely corresponding Probate Calendar entry for this man: Probate Calendar Thomas of 49 Kinnoul-road Fulham Middlesex, died 24 September 1911, Administration London 9 October ro Arthur Aldridge fitter. Effects £300 7s 1d The other one was 1929 Q2 St George Hanover Square, I can't see a Probate Calendar entry for this one, but I looked at the London Electoral roll for 1929 (which was in force 1st May 1929 to 14th October 1930, so probably compiled before this death date) and there was a Thomas Aldridge registered to vote in the Royal Hospital District. His address was Long Ward so it would seem he was an In Pensioner. Maybe it was 'your' Thomas and he gave up his pension and went to live in when he got old? Its a long shot, I know. http://www.chelsea-pensioners.co.uk/tracing-chelsea-pensioner-ancestors That page may help you. -- Tickettyboo