Thanks for the info Colin. regards John H "CWatters" <colin.watters@NOturnersoakSPAM.plus.com> wrote in message news:A-KdnWG5rt6EkVrMnZ2dnUVZ8uqdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk... > On 23/06/2013 06:11, John H wrote: >> Hi , >> National Archives UK has an entry at >>> http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=027-2160a&cid=-1#-1 < >> >> for one Charlotte Lambshead (aged )10 to be bound to William Jewell >> (yeoman) >> (for coniams Marshes) >> 2160 A/PO515 in 1826 >> >> I cant locate anything about "Coniams Marshes"....can anyone throw any >> light >> on where they may be >> >> I assume they maybe named after a Mr Coniam, but not really sure. >> >> I have in mind around berres Ferrer or Chudleigh, Devon areas . >> >> >> John H >> > > > http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/A2A/records.aspx?cat=027-312m8&cid=-1#-1 > > 312M-8/PO2 1853 > Contents: > Notes on Townsend tenement and Foots, or Coniams, tenement, Bovey Tracey, > 1833-1852 > > 312M-8/PE5 C18th > Contents: > Abstract of deeds 1709-1725 concerning Coniam's Tenement, Wises meadow and > Mannings meadow, to be held in trust for the maintenance of the Free > School

On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 12:09:52 +0100, brightside S9 <address@replyto_is_not.invalid> wrote: > > >Many thanks to all who replied.On Mon, 27 May 2013 21:09:45 +0100, >brightside S9 <address@replyto_is_not.invalid> wrote: > >>I (and a couple of distant relations) have struggled for many years >>trying to find the death of a Dinah Wool(l)ey. Born Dinah Lenton in >>1831. >> >>She married Matthew Lemon Woolley at Gretton parish Northamptonshire >>on 31/10/1853 and had several children. >>Freereg will find that marriage with >>name - Matthew Lemon WOOLLEY (note the double L) >>parish - Gretton >>county - Northamptonshire. >>and GRO DEC 1853 LENTON Dinah Uppingham 7a 575 >> >>She can be found in 1861 census. >> >>Her last born child (AFAICT) can be found in Freebmd >>GRO JUN 1863 WOOLLEY Phoebe Lenton Uppingham 7a 279 >>(note the spelling of Phoebe and the double L). >>So 2nd qtr 1863 is the last indication that Dinah *is* still alive. >> >>The baptism of this last child, on 8/12/1868, can be found Freereg. >>name - Phebe WOOLEY (note the spelling of Phebe and the single L). >>parish - Gretton >>county - Northamptonshire >> >>This baptism records the parents as Dinah and Matthew. There is no >>note to say that Dinah is deceased ( I have the microfiche for >>Gretton parish BMDs and there is no margin note). So DEC 1868 is the >>last indication that Dinah *may* still be alive. >> >>The next piece of information I have is that Matthew Lemon Woo(l)ley >>remarries in 1870 to a Caroline INGRAM. >>GRO SEP 1870 INGRAM Caroline Uppingham 7a 451 >>and the marriage can be found in Freereg >>name - Matthew Lemon WOOLEY (note the single L) >>parish - Gretton >>county - Northamptonshire >>Here the grooms condition is *Widower*. >> >>So this tells me that Dinah is no *longer* alive. >> Unless the knowledge of her death was based on false/incorrect information given to her husband. The seven-year wait before making a presumption of death applies to when a person has not been known to be alive for seven years, implicitly in the absence of further information about their whereabouts or wellbeing; if he was told e.g. that she had died in another place then IMU at that time that was sufficient for him to act as if he had been widowed without having to seek official confirmation. >>The mariages and births are all in a small village of Gretton and that >>seems to me to rule out anything suspicious. However I cannot find >>any information about Dinah Wool(l)ey's death or a burial. >> >>Can anyone find out when Dinah WOOL(L)ey died? Any clues would be >>welcome. Thanks. > > >Thanks to all who replied. But still no death found. > >Using Ancestry for England Ireland and Wales, there is no record of >death. A reply to this post has said that there is no record in >Scotland. > >So she could have died abroad. But as a wife of an Ag Lab I find this >improbable. That leaves me with the possibility that her death is >missing from the GRO index but was recorded locally. Probably at >Uppingham. As the GRO index pages are handwritten around the 1865 to >1870 time it appears to me that a misssing entrty in the GRO index is >all too possible. > Mistranscription (either from local to GRO or from GRO to Ancestry) is IME more likely. The latter can be bypassed by looking at images of the original pages (FreeBMD and Ancestry images won't necessarily both be from the same filming session). In fewer cases you might even get mis-indexing of the local register if e.g. the original writing is a bit doubtful (e.g. Ms and Ws hard to distinguish). >She is not buried in Gretton St James cemetary but that is not >uncommon for many of the residents (from census data) of Gretton. > >Searching in NBI II with various name possibilities gets me zilch. > >She could have been buried in the Gretton nonconformist church >cemetary, as is my grandmother's brother, died 1938. >I'll contact Gretton Local History Society and ask if she is buried in >that cemetary. > >I am not sure how to go about getting access to local registration for >the death on the presumption that she died in Gretton. Starting with >registration, Gretton, was in registration district Uppingham, >Gretton then moved to Kettering which moved to Northamtonshire. > >The Northahmtonshire County Coucil offer a copy certificate service >but want to know the details of death date etc, which is what I am >trying to find. > >The Registration district records are at the Northamptonshire Records >Offfice. I guess I'll have to write and ask if research is possible on >the death registration records looking for a possible death. > >Many thanks again for all the thoughts and ideas that the replies have >given me. > A rather long shot ? :- JUN 1863 WADDS Dinah Ann Uppingham 7a 191

On 23/06/2013 17:30, CWatters wrote: > On 03/06/2013 13:13, Jenny M Benson wrote: >> I have a similar problem with the daughter of one of my relations. She >> was born and then vanished! >> >> Alfred Ernest Nosworthy was married three times, the second time to Mary >> Ethel Austin in 1899, The marriage was short-lived because Mary Ethel >> died in Leicester RD in the September Q of 1900. As there was a Mary >> Ethel Nosworthy born in the same district in the same quarter, she >> almost certainly died in childbirth. But what happened to the child? >> > > Perhaps this is her... > > 1901 England Census > about Maud E Nosworthy > Name: > Maud E Nosworthy > Age: > 9 Months > Estimated Birth Year: > abt 1900 > Relation: > Niece > Gender: > Female > Where born: > Leicestershire, England > Civil Parish: > Stone > Ecclesiastical parish: > Christchurch > County/Island: > Staffordshire > Country: > England > Household Members: Name Age > George Ravenscroft 25 > Gertrude Ravenscroft 28 > Maud E Nosworthy 9 Months > > FreeBMD doesn't have a "Maud" Nosworthy born 1899-1900 > > Ooh, thank you *very* much, I think you have cracked it. Gertrude Ravenscroft was Gertrude Austin before she married, so almost certainly was Mary Ethel's sister Mary/Maud is still with them (or with them again) in 1911 but this time known as Ethel! -- Jenny M Benson

Hi Thanks to the couple of people who gave possible answers. Its appreciated John H "John H" <JohnH4999@gmail.com> wrote in message news:kq601d$olm$1@speranza.aioe.org... > Hi , > National Archives UK has an entry at >> http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=027-2160a&cid=-1#-1 < > > for one Charlotte Lambshead (aged )10 to be bound to William Jewell > (yeoman) > (for coniams Marshes) > 2160 A/PO515 in 1826 > > I cant locate anything about "Coniams Marshes"....can anyone throw any > light > on where they may be > > I assume they maybe named after a Mr Coniam, but not really sure. > > I have in mind around berres Ferrer or Chudleigh, Devon areas . > > > John H > > -- > ***** IMPORTANT INFORMATION ***** > This document should be read only by those persons to whom it is > addressed and its content is not intended for use by any other persons. > If you have received this message in error, please notify us > immediately. Please also destroy and delete the message from your > computer. This email is copyrighted by original sender. > > >

On 03/06/2013 13:13, Jenny M Benson wrote: > I have a similar problem with the daughter of one of my relations. She > was born and then vanished! > > Alfred Ernest Nosworthy was married three times, the second time to Mary > Ethel Austin in 1899, The marriage was short-lived because Mary Ethel > died in Leicester RD in the September Q of 1900. As there was a Mary > Ethel Nosworthy born in the same district in the same quarter, she > almost certainly died in childbirth. But what happened to the child? > Perhaps this is her... 1901 England Census about Maud E Nosworthy Name: Maud E Nosworthy Age: 9 Months Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900 Relation: Niece Gender: Female Where born: Leicestershire, England Civil Parish: Stone Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Household Members: Name Age George Ravenscroft 25 Gertrude Ravenscroft 28 Maud E Nosworthy 9 Months FreeBMD doesn't have a "Maud" Nosworthy born 1899-1900

John H wrote: > Hi , > National Archives UK has an entry at >> http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=027-2160a&cid=-1#-1 < > > for one Charlotte Lambshead (aged )10 to be bound to William Jewell (yeoman) > (for coniams Marshes) > 2160 A/PO515 in 1826 > > I cant locate anything about "Coniams Marshes"....can anyone throw any light > on where they may be > > I assume they maybe named after a Mr Coniam, but not really sure. > > I have in mind around berres Ferrer or Chudleigh, Devon areas . > > > John H > William Jewell was a churchwarden of Bovey Tracey parish in 1826. http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/BoveyTracey/BoveyTraceyIndentures.html -- Anne Chambers South Australia anne dot chambers at bigpond dot com

John H wrote: > Hi , > National Archives UK has an entry at >> http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=027-2160a&cid=-1#-1 < > > for one Charlotte Lambshead (aged )10 to be bound to William Jewell (yeoman) > (for coniams Marshes) > 2160 A/PO515 in 1826 > > I cant locate anything about "Coniams Marshes"....can anyone throw any light > on where they may be > > I assume they maybe named after a Mr Coniam, but not really sure. > > I have in mind around berres Ferrer or Chudleigh, Devon areas . > > > John H > There were Coniams living in Chagford (and owning most of the manors there), 11 or so miles from Bovey Tracey -- Anne Chambers South Australia anne dot chambers at bigpond dot com

On 23/06/2013 06:11, John H wrote: > Hi , > National Archives UK has an entry at >> http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=027-2160a&cid=-1#-1 < > > for one Charlotte Lambshead (aged )10 to be bound to William Jewell (yeoman) > (for coniams Marshes) > 2160 A/PO515 in 1826 > > I cant locate anything about "Coniams Marshes"....can anyone throw any light > on where they may be > > I assume they maybe named after a Mr Coniam, but not really sure. > > I have in mind around berres Ferrer or Chudleigh, Devon areas . > > > John H > http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/A2A/records.aspx?cat=027-312m8&cid=-1#-1 312M-8/PO2 1853 Contents: Notes on Townsend tenement and Foots, or Coniams, tenement, Bovey Tracey, 1833-1852 312M-8/PE5 C18th Contents: Abstract of deeds 1709-1725 concerning Coniam's Tenement, Wises meadow and Mannings meadow, to be held in trust for the maintenance of the Free School

Hi , National Archives UK has an entry at > http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=027-2160a&cid=-1#-1 < for one Charlotte Lambshead (aged )10 to be bound to William Jewell (yeoman) (for coniams Marshes) 2160 A/PO515 in 1826 I cant locate anything about "Coniams Marshes"....can anyone throw any light on where they may be I assume they maybe named after a Mr Coniam, but not really sure. I have in mind around berres Ferrer or Chudleigh, Devon areas . John H -- ***** IMPORTANT INFORMATION ***** This document should be read only by those persons to whom it is addressed and its content is not intended for use by any other persons. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately. Please also destroy and delete the message from your computer. This email is copyrighted by original sender.

On Sunday, 23 June 2013 06:11:09 UTC+1, John H wrote: > Hi , > > National Archives UK has an entry at > > > http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=027-2160a&cid=-1#-1 > > for one Charlotte Lambshead (aged )10 to be bound to William Jewell (yeoman) > > (for coniams Marshes) > > 2160 A/PO515 in 1826 > > I cant locate anything about "Coniams Marshes"....can anyone throw any light > > on where they may be > > I assume they maybe named after a Mr Coniam, but not really sure. > > I have in mind around berres Ferrer or Chudleigh, Devon areas . > > John H It's most likely to be a farm in Bovey Tracey parish. It looks as though the parish was operating a system of requiring each estate in the parish in turn to take a parish orphan as an apprentice (thus relieving the parish of the expense of maintaining them). Interestingly, the year before William Jewell took another apprentice 'for Coombe' - he may have had owned two farms, and had to take an apprentice for each, or possibly Coniams is a misreading of Coombe. Matt Tompkins

Tony Proctor wrote: > I picked up a copy of an old "Bacon's New Large Print Map of London and > Suburbs" from a second-hand book shop the other day. The map is in poor > condition but I intend to try and rescue as much as I can of it. > > There is no visible date printed anywhere so I need a little help or advice > on dating it. There is a "1900" pencilled on one of the remaining index > pages but I'm sceptical of that - it must be a guess at best. Assuming it's no later than about 1911, look at the outermost sets of streets & then try to find when they first appeared on the census. Of course as London expanded to absorb villages it will acquire some much older streets so you'll need to look in the in-between streets. -- Ian The Hotmail address is my spam-bin. Real mail address is iang at austonley org uk

Jon Green wrote:       > On 19/06/2013 12:51, Dennis Ahern wrote: >>  From the Cardiff Evening Express, 12 October 1892 - >> >>                    FOUND DROWNED AT CARDIFF. >>    This morning, shortly after seven o'clock, the body of a man >>    unknown was found floating in the West Dock. The body was >>    recovered by Police constables Foster and [Daniel] Ahern, of >>    the Bute Dock Police Force. The deceased was a man about 28 >>    years of age, 5ft. 8in. in height, fair complexion, and was attired >>    in a black serge coat, blue jersey, black cloth trousers, check >>    shirt, and flannel drawers. > What amuses me most - and, yes, I have a dark streak in my humour - is > that they felt the need to describe the deceased's underwear, in case it > would tip the balance, and someone would say, "That must be Dai Ynyr > Gwlyb - he always wore flannel undies!"   :-)       And nothing about what was in his pocketses - which may have been more useful for identification.     Chris

On 26/05/2013 18:34, Tony Proctor wrote: > I picked up a copy of an old "Bacon's New Large Print Map of London and > Suburbs" from a second-hand book shop the other day. The map is in poor > condition but I intend to try and rescue as much as I can of it. > > There is no visible date printed anywhere so I need a little help or advice > on dating it. There is a "1900" pencilled on one of the remaining index > pages but I'm sceptical of that - it must be a guess at best. > > Tony Proctor > > This was on e bay recently Bacon's New Large-Print Map of London and Suburbs 1908-20 Collectable Street Map Bacon's New Large-Print Map, (34.5 x 27.2"), c. 1908. Covers from Hampton Court to Greenwich & Highgate to Crystal Palace. Folds into cloth covers with 61 pp. Colour Print Index to Streets and Illustrated Guide. In fair condition for its age

On 26/05/2013 18:34, Tony Proctor wrote: > I picked up a copy of an old "Bacon's New Large Print Map of London and > Suburbs" from a second-hand book shop the other day. The map is in poor > condition but I intend to try and rescue as much as I can of it. > > There is no visible date printed anywhere so I need a little help or advice > on dating it. There is a "1900" pencilled on one of the remaining index > pages but I'm sceptical of that - it must be a guess at best. > > Tony Proctor > > Bridges over the Thames can be dated. eg Tower bridge was opened in 1894.

On 19/06/2013 17:27, Lesley Robertson wrote: > > It's the tears on demand that's made me very selective when watching > "Who Do You Think You Are".. I'm going to have to watch this on the iPad > since my cable company doesn't get the ITV stable, so it's going to have > to be good to keep me watching... > Thanks for the reminder, though, I thank Roy for the WARNING rather than the Reminder! The amount of sentimental tosh and ridiculous tears that we get in WDYTYA drives me mad enough, but it sounds as though the proportion of slush to good stuff in this programme will be far too high for me. -- Jenny M Benson

On 19/06/2013 12:51, Dennis Ahern wrote: > From the Cardiff Evening Express, 12 October 1892 - > > FOUND DROWNED AT CARDIFF. > This morning, shortly after seven o'clock, the body of a man > unknown was found floating in the West Dock. The body was > recovered by Police constables Foster and [Daniel] Ahern, of > the Bute Dock Police Force. The deceased was a man about 28 > years of age, 5ft. 8in. in height, fair complexion, and was attired > in a black serge coat, blue jersey, black cloth trousers, check > shirt, and flannel drawers. What amuses me most - and, yes, I have a dark streak in my humour - is that they felt the need to describe the deceased's underwear, in case it would tip the balance, and someone would say, "That must be Dai Ynyr Gwlyb - he always wore flannel undies!" Jon -- SPAM BLOCK IN USE! Replace 'deadspam' with 'green-lines' to email me.

Roy Stockdill wrote in message news:mailman.0.1371381989.681.genbrit@rootsweb.com... >A new series starts on ITVI on Tuesday June 25, made by Wall To Wall >Television, the same people who make Who Do You Think You Are? (snip) >Now, don't get me wrong, I am sure it will be an interesting series, >I know >some of the Wall to Wall People (indeed, I was in one of their >programmes >about the comedian John Bishop) and I recognise the exigencies of >television >demand a bit of emotion! However, am I being unfair in thinking these >showbiz >luvvies can turn on the tears and emotion to demand? Clearly, none of >them can >be family historians since people such as ourselves would take it all >in our >stride! Wouldn't we??? It's the tears on demand that's made me very selective when watching "Who Do You Think You Are".. I'm going to have to watch this on the iPad since my cable company doesn't get the ITV stable, so it's going to have to be good to keep me watching... Thanks for the reminder, though, Lesley Robertson

>From the Cardiff Evening Express, 12 October 1892 - FOUND DROWNED AT CARDIFF. This morning, shortly after seven o'clock, the body of a man unknown was found floating in the West Dock. The body was recovered by Police constables Foster and [Daniel] Ahern, of the Bute Dock Police Force. The deceased was a man about 28 years of age, 5ft. 8in. in height, fair complexion, and was attired in a black serge coat, blue jersey, black cloth trousers, check shirt, and flannel drawers. Welsh newspapers online at National Library of Wales http://welshnewspapers.llgc.org.uk/en/home

On 19/06/2013 11:22, CWatters wrote: > On 14/06/2013 05:01, Charles Ellson wrote: > >> And a bit more :- >> There is what looks like the marriage of his son in 1923 :- >> DEC 1923 West Ham 4a 624 to Theresa G HAJEE >> >> Jesse seems to have died in 1946 :- >> MAR 1946 East Ham 4a 120 50y >> >> Theresa seems to have died in 1955 :- >> JUN 1955 East Ham 5a 9 55y >> >> The PRFD index entry gives her address as 53 Burges Road LONDON E6 and >> her death as 2 May 1955 at the East Ham Memorial Hospital. >> Unfortunately there was no will, administration being granted to >> Ronald Thomas William ALDRIDGE, overseas representative. > > In case it helps.. > > Findmy past has a RONALD THOMAS WILLIAM ALDRIDGE born in 1924 and went > back and forth to Lagos Nigeria in 1958-60 ish > > eg > > RONALD THOMAS WILLIAM ALDRIDGE Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960 > Collections from Australia & New Zealand, United Kingdom, Ireland, > United States Country NIGERIA Year 1958 Ship Name KANO PALM Birth Year > 1924 Destination LAGOS Ship Departure Port LONDON Destination Port LAGOS > > FreeBMD suggests he is her son.. Births Mar 1925 Surname First name(s) Mother/Spouse/Age District Vol Page Aldridge Ronald T W Hajee Bromley 2a 878

On 14/06/2013 05:01, Charles Ellson wrote: > And a bit more :- > There is what looks like the marriage of his son in 1923 :- > DEC 1923 West Ham 4a 624 to Theresa G HAJEE > > Jesse seems to have died in 1946 :- > MAR 1946 East Ham 4a 120 50y > > Theresa seems to have died in 1955 :- > JUN 1955 East Ham 5a 9 55y > > The PRFD index entry gives her address as 53 Burges Road LONDON E6 and > her death as 2 May 1955 at the East Ham Memorial Hospital. > Unfortunately there was no will, administration being granted to > Ronald Thomas William ALDRIDGE, overseas representative. In case it helps.. Findmy past has a RONALD THOMAS WILLIAM ALDRIDGE born in 1924 and went back and forth to Lagos Nigeria in 1958-60 ish eg RONALD THOMAS WILLIAM ALDRIDGE Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960 Collections from Australia & New Zealand, United Kingdom, Ireland, United States Country NIGERIA Year 1958 Ship Name KANO PALM Birth Year 1924 Destination LAGOS Ship Departure Port LONDON Destination Port LAGOS