"Tickettyboo" wrote in message news:apsgp8F5k6kU1@mid.individual.net... On 2013-03-04 11:22:22 +0000, Ian Goddard said: > Tickettyboo wrote: >> I have received a copy of a document from a regional archives >> office. It >> was a parochial survey done in 1835 by the local vicar, as >> requested by >> the church authorities. >> >> I wanted the copy for my own research and intend to transcribe it >> and >> let the archives have a copy. I would happily publish the >> transcription, >> so that others can have access to the info, but have been told I >> can't >> 'because of copyright and also because it takes income away from >> the >> archives'. > > Some background here: > http://www.archives.org.uk/publications/copyright-issues-for-archivists.html Thank you - and to the others who have replied. My thinking is that copyright is a minefield, I doubt if I will ever fully understand all the nuances of it and can see why archives perhaps err on the side of caution. I don't like the resulting effect on my hobby, but sometimes life is unfair. Got to live with it I suppose and keep on finding ways to get info without treading on the mines :-) */*/*/ Copyright on the original work is until 70 years after the author's death. If you extract information from the text, putting it into your own words, you create an original work on which you hold the copyright as it's your work. If you make a word for word transcription of a written work, that's the same (apart from the work involved) as photocopying or scanning it. It's the author's words, not yours and, within the time frame, still the author's copyright. Even if it's something as simple as a picture or table, if you don't change it, it still belongs to the author or the estate as their original work. Also, if the archive have made images of the original work to provide you with a copy, they can claim that they own the copyright on those images - if you could get to the original book and make your own images, it would be different. That's how people can claim copyright on pictures of things like the Mona Lisa. Unless you have a brain like a corkscrew, it's best not to think about it. Lesley Robertson

"Tickettyboo" wrote in message news:apsh1bF5mgdU1@mid.individual.net... https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-25941-12055-68?cc=1968530&wc=M9MT-2HP:1046484211 Link will take you to a WW1 draft registration card on Family Search. Its section 12 I am having trouble with, the reason for claiming exemption from draft. The first word appears to be Yes: and then after that, maybe Seminal but the last word has me defeated. If anyone can make the letters out I could have a stab at finding out what it means. (not that it impressed the army, he was enlisted less than a month later and served till July 1919) */-*/- It's "Hiatus", I think. Lesley Robertson

On 27/06/2013 19:36, Lesley Robertson wrote: > "Tickettyboo" wrote in message news:apsh1bF5mgdU1@mid.individual.net... > > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-25941-12055-68?cc=1968530&wc=M9MT-2HP:1046484211 > > > > Link will take you to a WW1 draft registration card on Family Search. > Its section 12 I am having trouble with, the reason for claiming > exemption from draft. The first word appears to be Yes: and then after > that, maybe Seminal but the last word has me defeated. If anyone can > make the letters out I could have a stab at finding out what it means. Hiatus? > > (not that it impressed the army, he was enlisted less than a month > later and served till July 1919) > > */-*/- > > It's "Hiatus", I think. > Lesley Robertson -- Graeme Wall This account not read, substitute trains for rail. Railway Miscellany at <http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail>

On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 18:40:06 +0100, "Brian Austin" <brian.austin@btinternet.com> wrote: > >"Charles Ellson" <ce11son@yahoo.ca> wrote in message >news:i8nms8543vlu6a3frhbmte2s1ihr0sc5hc@4ax.com... >> On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 18:03:47 +0100, Mick <mrcycleuk@yahoo.co.uk> >> wrote: >> >>>On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 16:50:12 +0100, Charles Ellson <ce11son@yahoo.ca> >>>wrote: >>> >>>>On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 06:56:01 +0100, Mick <mrcycleuk@yahoo.co.uk> >>>>wrote: >>>> >>>>>Hi all, >>>>> Findmypast at the moment goes up to 2006 for BMD >>>>>registrations if I am right? >>>>>When do firms like them move up to a later year? >>>>> >>>>Usually when the indexes are available to them (distinct from >>>>distributed to a chosen few libraries etc.) and I'm not sure if they >>>>are. >>>> >>>>>This is not criticizing just wondering? >>>>>A local society is up to 2010, but I realize for a small area. >>>>> >>>>It's possible they had an arrangement with the local registrar to >>>>produce an index in the same way that e.g. the CheshireBMD index was >>>>produced. >>> >>>Thank you for the information, I was wondering if other paid for >>>search providers were more current? >>> >> I don't think so. That seems to suggest the problem is availability >> rather than unwillingness on the part of Ancestry/FMP/etc. It is >> possibly another thing they can't be bothered with since the English >> GRO was taken over by the passport mob. > >I suspect it's as much unwillingness as can't be bothered. In their ideal >world no records would be released less than 100 years old because they are >paranoid about identity fraud. > That can work both ways. ISTR the availability of the basic set of BMD records is still recognised by enough officials (distinct from "something must be done" politicians trying to solve problems that don't actually/practically exist) as part of the armoury which makes identity fraud harder to achieve. >This is just one more creeping restriction. > >Brian Austin

"Charles Ellson" <ce11son@yahoo.ca> wrote in message news:i8nms8543vlu6a3frhbmte2s1ihr0sc5hc@4ax.com... > On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 18:03:47 +0100, Mick <mrcycleuk@yahoo.co.uk> > wrote: > >>On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 16:50:12 +0100, Charles Ellson <ce11son@yahoo.ca> >>wrote: >> >>>On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 06:56:01 +0100, Mick <mrcycleuk@yahoo.co.uk> >>>wrote: >>> >>>>Hi all, >>>> Findmypast at the moment goes up to 2006 for BMD >>>>registrations if I am right? >>>>When do firms like them move up to a later year? >>>> >>>Usually when the indexes are available to them (distinct from >>>distributed to a chosen few libraries etc.) and I'm not sure if they >>>are. >>> >>>>This is not criticizing just wondering? >>>>A local society is up to 2010, but I realize for a small area. >>>> >>>It's possible they had an arrangement with the local registrar to >>>produce an index in the same way that e.g. the CheshireBMD index was >>>produced. >> >>Thank you for the information, I was wondering if other paid for >>search providers were more current? >> > I don't think so. That seems to suggest the problem is availability > rather than unwillingness on the part of Ancestry/FMP/etc. It is > possibly another thing they can't be bothered with since the English > GRO was taken over by the passport mob. I suspect it's as much unwillingness as can't be bothered. In their ideal world no records would be released less than 100 years old because they are paranoid about identity fraud. This is just one more creeping restriction. Brian Austin

>From the Illustrated Usk Observer and Raglan Herald, 2 May 1863 - At the Roman Catholic chapel, Abergavenny, April 20, by the Rev. J. Wilson, Mr. Patrick Bryan to Miss Mary Ahern, both of Abergavenny. Welsh newspapers online at National Library of Wales http://welshnewspapers.llgc.org.uk/en/home

I thought hiatus too - checked seminal hiatus on google and it took me to semilunar hiatus, meaning a nasal condition. In which case I guess the draft board would say a person was ok. -----Original Message----- From: genbrit-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:genbrit-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lesley Robertson Sent: Thursday, 27 June, 2013 11:36 AM To: genbrit@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Help required with handwriting please "Tickettyboo" wrote in message news:apsh1bF5mgdU1@mid.individual.net... https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-25941-12055-68?cc=1968530&wc=M 9MT-2HP:1046484211 Link will take you to a WW1 draft registration card on Family Search. Its section 12 I am having trouble with, the reason for claiming exemption from draft. The first word appears to be Yes: and then after that, maybe Seminal but the last word has me defeated. If anyone can make the letters out I could have a stab at finding out what it means. (not that it impressed the army, he was enlisted less than a month later and served till July 1919) */-*/- It's "Hiatus", I think. Lesley Robertson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENBRIT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3345 / Virus Database: 3204/6443 - Release Date: 06/26/13

Anne Chambers wrote: >> > Births Dec 1883 > Wolfe Annie Pemlia Isle Of Wight 2b 590 > > London Electoral Rolls 1929 > 76 York Mansions Battersea > Sidney Annie Pemlia > Sidney Leicester Philip > > > from familysearch.org England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Annie Pemlia Wolfe birth: 6 September 1882 christening: 17 December 1888 St Thomas', Newport, Hampshire, England parents:William Wolfe, Eliza -- Anne Chambers South Australia anne dot chambers at bigpond dot com

Mick wrote: > Hi all, > Can anyone advise me where to try next for a marriage and death > please? > > Annie Pamila Wolfe born 1883 IOW. > > Parents are: William Wolfe & Eliza Parsons. > > Name: WOLFE, Annie Pamlia > Registration district: Isle of Wight > County: Hampshire > Year of registration:1883 > Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec > Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3 > Volume no:2B > Page no:590 > > 1901 Census: At this address of: 1 & 2, St Thomas Square, Ryde, IOW. > There was an Kate A Bull a widow aged 40 born Merstone IOW, as a > Housekeeper. > > 13 single women working as Drapers Assistants. > > And 2 General Servant (Domestic) my "Annie Pamila Wolfe" aged 19 was > one and , "Annie L Hayter" > from Whippingham, IOW. aged 22 was the other. > > I can find no marriage or death for her, on Free BMD or Findmypast > I have tried with spelling alternatives on, > and removing the miss spelt " Pamlia" > > Thanks, > Mick IOW. > Births Dec 1883 Wolfe Annie Pemlia Isle Of Wight 2b 590 London Electoral Rolls 1929 76 York Mansions Battersea Sidney Annie Pemlia Sidney Leicester Philip -- Anne Chambers South Australia anne dot chambers at bigpond dot com

On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 08:52:22 +0930, Anne Chambers <anne@privacy.net> wrote: >Anne Chambers wrote: > >>> >> Births Dec 1883 >> Wolfe Annie Pemlia Isle Of Wight 2b 590 >> >> London Electoral Rolls 1929 >> 76 York Mansions Battersea >> Sidney Annie Pemlia >> Sidney Leicester Philip >> >> >> >from familysearch.org >England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 >Annie Pemlia Wolfe >birth: 6 September 1882 >christening: 17 December 1888 >St Thomas', Newport, Hampshire, England >parents:William Wolfe, Eliza Thank you all very much. Mick IOW.

On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 22:32:21 +0100, Charles Ellson <ce11son@yahoo.ca> wrote: >On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 18:03:47 +0100, Mick <mrcycleuk@yahoo.co.uk> >wrote: > >>On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 16:50:12 +0100, Charles Ellson <ce11son@yahoo.ca> >>wrote: >> >>>On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 06:56:01 +0100, Mick <mrcycleuk@yahoo.co.uk> >>>wrote: >>> >>>>Hi all, >>>> Findmypast at the moment goes up to 2006 for BMD >>>>registrations if I am right? >>>>When do firms like them move up to a later year? >>>> >>>Usually when the indexes are available to them (distinct from >>>distributed to a chosen few libraries etc.) and I'm not sure if they >>>are. >>> >>>>This is not criticizing just wondering? >>>>A local society is up to 2010, but I realize for a small area. >>>> >>>It's possible they had an arrangement with the local registrar to >>>produce an index in the same way that e.g. the CheshireBMD index was >>>produced. >> >>Thank you for the information, I was wondering if other paid for >>search providers were more current? >> >I don't think so. That seems to suggest the problem is availability >rather than unwillingness on the part of Ancestry/FMP/etc. It is >possibly another thing they can't be bothered with since the English >GRO was taken over by the passport mob. Thank you, I now understand better. Mick IOW.

On 26/06/2013 19:01, Mick wrote: > Hi all, > Can anyone advise me where to try next for a marriage and death > please? > > Annie Pamila Wolfe born 1883 IOW. > > Parents are: William Wolfe & Eliza Parsons. > > Name: WOLFE, Annie Pamlia > Registration district: Isle of Wight > County: Hampshire > Year of registration:1883 > Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec > Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3 > Volume no:2B > Page no:590 > > 1901 Census: At this address of: 1 & 2, St Thomas Square, Ryde, IOW. > There was an Kate A Bull a widow aged 40 born Merstone IOW, as a > Housekeeper. > > 13 single women working as Drapers Assistants. > > And 2 General Servant (Domestic) my "Annie Pamila Wolfe" aged 19 was > one and , "Annie L Hayter" > from Whippingham, IOW. aged 22 was the other. > > I can find no marriage or death for her, on Free BMD or Findmypast > I have tried with spelling alternatives on, > and removing the miss spelt " Pamlia" > > Thanks, > Mick IOW. > The BMD birth index image and http://www.isle-of-wight-fhs.co.uk/ BMD give her name as Wolfe, Annie Pemlia I don't have an Ancestry subscription but there is one Public member tree containing Annie Pemlia Wolfe b 1883 and Ancestry has an entry for an Annie Pemlia Sidney in the 1929 and 1932 London Electoral Registers.

On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 00:33:29 +0200, john <john1@s145802280.onlinehome.fr> wrote: >On 26/06/2013 19:01, Mick wrote: >> Hi all, >> Can anyone advise me where to try next for a marriage and death >> please? >> >> Annie Pamila Wolfe born 1883 IOW. >> >> Parents are: William Wolfe & Eliza Parsons. >> >> Name: WOLFE, Annie Pamlia >> Registration district: Isle of Wight >> County: Hampshire >> Year of registration:1883 >> Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec >> Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3 >> Volume no:2B >> Page no:590 >> >> 1901 Census: At this address of: 1 & 2, St Thomas Square, Ryde, IOW. >> There was an Kate A Bull a widow aged 40 born Merstone IOW, as a >> Housekeeper. >> >> 13 single women working as Drapers Assistants. >> >> And 2 General Servant (Domestic) my "Annie Pamila Wolfe" aged 19 was >> one and , "Annie L Hayter" >> from Whippingham, IOW. aged 22 was the other. >> >> I can find no marriage or death for her, on Free BMD or Findmypast >> I have tried with spelling alternatives on, >> and removing the miss spelt " Pamlia" >> >> Thanks, >> Mick IOW. >> > > >The BMD birth index image and http://www.isle-of-wight-fhs.co.uk/ BMD >give her name as Wolfe, Annie Pemlia > >I don't have an Ancestry subscription but there is one Public member >tree containing Annie Pemlia Wolfe b 1883 and >Ancestry has an entry for an Annie Pemlia Sidney in the 1929 and 1932 >London Electoral Registers. > The other person at that address is Leicester Philip SIDNEY, possibly the person in 1911 at 24 Cintra Parl LONDON SE, born Gosport c.1871 (married c.1891 but not with family). However, if he is the one who died on 9 Mar 1935 then the PRFD index refers to "Annie Pemlia SIDNEY spinster". In 1901 he seems to be in Stockwell, SE London with wife Catherine but no daughter Annie.

On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 18:01:28 +0100, Mick <mrcycleuk@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >Hi all, > Can anyone advise me where to try next for a marriage and death >please? > >Annie Pamila Wolfe born 1883 IOW. > >Parents are: William Wolfe & Eliza Parsons. > >Name: WOLFE, Annie Pamlia >Registration district: Isle of Wight >County: Hampshire >Year of registration:1883 >Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec >Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3 >Volume no:2B >Page no:590 > >1901 Census: At this address of: 1 & 2, St Thomas Square, Ryde, IOW. > There was an Kate A Bull a widow aged 40 born Merstone IOW, as a >Housekeeper. > >13 single women working as Drapers Assistants. > >And 2 General Servant (Domestic) my "Annie Pamila Wolfe" aged 19 was >one and , "Annie L Hayter" > from Whippingham, IOW. aged 22 was the other. > >I can find no marriage or death for her, on Free BMD or Findmypast >I have tried with spelling alternatives on, >and removing the miss spelt " Pamlia" > Allowing the age being 2-3 years (she seems to have added a year by 1901) out there are a couple of suitable death registrations for Annie WOLFEs. Depending on how desperate you are, you could try tracing back to the marriage of the half dozen or so Ann* +/-2y and born in Ryde who show up as married women in 1911. Plan B might be to find her parents in 1911 if you haven't already done so in case she is with them under a married name, mistranscribed name or the age error has worsened; a slimmer chance might lie with looking for any mention of her if either parent has an index listing for a will/administration. Also watch out for her changing her surname if her father died between 1901-1911 and her mother has remarried; she is a bit old for doing so but I've seen the occasional adult who has done so .

On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 18:03:47 +0100, Mick <mrcycleuk@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 16:50:12 +0100, Charles Ellson <ce11son@yahoo.ca> >wrote: > >>On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 06:56:01 +0100, Mick <mrcycleuk@yahoo.co.uk> >>wrote: >> >>>Hi all, >>> Findmypast at the moment goes up to 2006 for BMD >>>registrations if I am right? >>>When do firms like them move up to a later year? >>> >>Usually when the indexes are available to them (distinct from >>distributed to a chosen few libraries etc.) and I'm not sure if they >>are. >> >>>This is not criticizing just wondering? >>>A local society is up to 2010, but I realize for a small area. >>> >>It's possible they had an arrangement with the local registrar to >>produce an index in the same way that e.g. the CheshireBMD index was >>produced. > >Thank you for the information, I was wondering if other paid for >search providers were more current? > I don't think so. That seems to suggest the problem is availability rather than unwillingness on the part of Ancestry/FMP/etc. It is possibly another thing they can't be bothered with since the English GRO was taken over by the passport mob.

On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 16:50:12 +0100, Charles Ellson <ce11son@yahoo.ca> wrote: >On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 06:56:01 +0100, Mick <mrcycleuk@yahoo.co.uk> >wrote: > >>Hi all, >> Findmypast at the moment goes up to 2006 for BMD >>registrations if I am right? >>When do firms like them move up to a later year? >> >Usually when the indexes are available to them (distinct from >distributed to a chosen few libraries etc.) and I'm not sure if they >are. > >>This is not criticizing just wondering? >>A local society is up to 2010, but I realize for a small area. >> >It's possible they had an arrangement with the local registrar to >produce an index in the same way that e.g. the CheshireBMD index was >produced. Thank you for the information, I was wondering if other paid for search providers were more current? Mick IOW.

Hi all, Can anyone advise me where to try next for a marriage and death please? Annie Pamila Wolfe born 1883 IOW. Parents are: William Wolfe & Eliza Parsons. Name: WOLFE, Annie Pamlia Registration district: Isle of Wight County: Hampshire Year of registration:1883 Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3 Volume no:2B Page no:590 1901 Census: At this address of: 1 & 2, St Thomas Square, Ryde, IOW. There was an Kate A Bull a widow aged 40 born Merstone IOW, as a Housekeeper. 13 single women working as Drapers Assistants. And 2 General Servant (Domestic) my "Annie Pamila Wolfe" aged 19 was one and , "Annie L Hayter" from Whippingham, IOW. aged 22 was the other. I can find no marriage or death for her, on Free BMD or Findmypast I have tried with spelling alternatives on, and removing the miss spelt " Pamlia" Thanks, Mick IOW.

On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 06:56:01 +0100, Mick <mrcycleuk@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >Hi all, > Findmypast at the moment goes up to 2006 for BMD >registrations if I am right? >When do firms like them move up to a later year? > Usually when the indexes are available to them (distinct from distributed to a chosen few libraries etc.) and I'm not sure if they are. >This is not criticizing just wondering? >A local society is up to 2010, but I realize for a small area. > It's possible they had an arrangement with the local registrar to produce an index in the same way that e.g. the CheshireBMD index was produced.

Found while transcribing Market Harborough registers for Free Reg. Baptisms from 1813-1860 so far Please feel free to pass on to appropriate county mailing lists etc. Register number, childs name, parent's names, abode, occupation of father, date, other 61 Mary Ann DICKINSON William Elizabeth Malden, Essex soldier 1815 3-Jul 316 James WATTS Richard Eliza from Liverpool traveller 1823 26-Oct 427 Robert George JENNISON George Ives Eliza Tendred Macclesfield, Cheshire silk weaver 1825 25-Nov 512 Eliza MCLANE John Jane City Rd, London whalebone manufacturer 1827 12-Aug aged 4 years 629 Selina Critchison FREEMAN Benjamin Hannah London Traveller, show man 1829 23-Oct aged 3 years 677 Mary ROBISON James Sophia Leeds sailor 1830 25-Sep 678 Margaret ROBISON James Sophia Leeds sailor 1830 25-Sep 679 Sarah ELLISON John Sarah Carlile soldier 1830 6-Oct 783 Rebecca WILLKINS John Ellin Chatham sailor 1832 15-Nov 839 William FARR Eliza 1833 18-Dec a traveler from Buckingham 870 Catharine TUNAWICH Philip Elizabeth Frankfurt on the Main, Germany basket maker 1834 13-Jul 921 William Josiah SMITH Josiah Ann Holloway Islington cabinet maker 1835 12-Jul 948 Edward CARTER William Judith Rushnorton, Surrey sack weaver 1836 3-Feb 951 Margaret TAYLOR William Margaret Derry, Ireland shoemaker 1836 28-Feb 1051 Charles PRICE Thomas Maria Marylebone, London coachman 1838 7-Jan 1066 John Bayliss GOGGS Mathias Sarah Swaffin, Norfolk joiner 1838 13-Apr aged 6y 9m 1167 Sarah Bayliss GOGGS Mathias Sarah Swaffin, Norfolk joiner 1840 7-Aug aged 7 years 1172 Isable McEDWARD John Elizabeth Inch, Inverness, Scotland serjeant 47th Regt of Foot 1840 27-Sep 1219 Mathias GOGGS Mathias Sarah Swaffin, Norfolk joiner 1841 18-Aug 75 Lockline McDONALD Daniel Agnes Kinnaway, Fifeshire, Scotland artist 1850 20-Oct 101 Mary STEWART John Margaret Paisley, Scotland traveller 1851 19-Apr 244 Sarah Ann TOMLINSON Thomas Elizabeth Oswald Kirk, Yorkshire gamekeeper 1854 2-Jul 1403 Mary Ann WADE Daniel Margaret umbrella maker 1845 26-Feb a traveller --- Marilyn http://www.familyhistorynorthants.co.uk

Hi all, Findmypast at the moment goes up to 2006 for BMD registrations if I am right? When do firms like them move up to a later year? This is not criticizing just wondering? A local society is up to 2010, but I realize for a small area. Mick IOW.