"Tony Proctor" wrote in message news:ksqrjn$6o8$1@reader01.news.esat.net... "Kate" <ktms@live.com> wrote in message news:ksqcsi$bqj$1@speranza.aioe.org... > Tony, not sure if this helps but on civil registration, post 1837 there is > a William Searby 1841, Mary, Sept 1839, Joseph Dec, 1839, Elizabeth 1842 > and an unnamed male 1844 all born at Horncastle. > > Regards, Kate > (Sydney, Australia) > > "Tony Proctor" wrote in message news:kso5up$342$1@speranza.aioe.org... > > > "Kate" <ktms@live.com> wrote in message > news:kso3h4$s4s$1@speranza.aioe.org... >> Hello all >> >> I wonder if someone who has FMP can access the Parish records for >> Lincolnshire, who I believe is working closely with that site. I can't >> find anything relating to my search on Ancestry. >> >> If someone with access could please look for the birth of William Searby >> c1841, father William mother Maria N Bruchmann according to information >> on his death certificate, or the marriage of the parents. >> Would appreciate any help as this has been a brick wall for years. >> >> Thank you >> >> Regards, Kate >> (Sydney, Australia) >> > > I did a check Kate but couldn't find anything. If I browse the Parish > Records in their Lincolnshire Special Collection then it won't tell me > anything until I know the relevant parish name.- a problem I've mentioned > previously. If I just search their normal parish births & marriages then I > don't find any of these people. > > Do you know the parish name? > > Tony Proctor > I looked at the parish registers for Horncastle Kate. They're great fun (NOT) as there is no information about the extents of each image - even worse than the days when findmypast's civil registrations were just the scans of the GRO index. It presents you with hundreds of scans, identified only by their consecutive numbers. The civil registration you found was in 1841-Q2 and I eventually found the relevant scans by dipping in as follows: 181 Dec 36 200 Oct 39 209 Jan 41 210 Apr 41 211 May 41 212 Jun 41 220 Oct 42 221 Jan 43 226 Sep 43 238 Nov 51 I found no references to the Searby surname, and only 2 Williams: Mar 1841 William Thomas Pell to William & Sarah Ann (Servant) April 1841, William Clarke to Richard & Elizabeth (nail maker) I didn't check the earlier registrations you found. I think there are several ways to interpret this but the Horncastle parish church obviously wasn't their one. Are you ordering the certificate for the civil registration? Tony Proctor Thanks Tony I really appreciate your efforts. I was toying with the idea of buying the certificate, I checked the birth records to see if mother's surname would be included and seems it would be but I am now totally confused. I have been scrolling through the Census to try to find parents names corresponding with his death certificate. I do realise there are/can be an enormous amount of mistakes on certificates and the information was so comprehensive (not a family Informant) but I think it has to be wrong. How can you mistake parents names, William/(Mary/Maria) M N Bruchmann for George/Ann which I found on the Census 1851 and Eve has just pointed out. Exact age for William, I'm taking this from his arrival in Australia 1876 age 35, hoping he at least knew his own age. I'm going to have to think about this as it's really only guesswork. Many thanks. Regards, Kate (Sydney, Australia)

On 24/07/2013 09:33, Kate wrote: > Hello all > > I wonder if someone who has FMP can access the Parish records for > Lincolnshire, who I believe is working closely with that site. I can't > find anything relating to my search on Ancestry. > > If someone with access could please look for the birth of William Searby > c1841, father William mother Maria N Bruchmann according to information > on his death certificate, or the marriage of the parents. > Would appreciate any help as this has been a brick wall for years. > > Thank you > > Regards, Kate > (Sydney, Australia) > Just for a moment I thought this was him but doesn't match the details you provide.. http://history.library.ucsf.edu/searby.html

Tony, not sure if this helps but on civil registration, post 1837 there is a William Searby 1841, Mary, Sept 1839, Joseph Dec, 1839, Elizabeth 1842 and an unnamed male 1844 all born at Horncastle. Regards, Kate (Sydney, Australia) "Tony Proctor" wrote in message news:kso5up$342$1@speranza.aioe.org... "Kate" <ktms@live.com> wrote in message news:kso3h4$s4s$1@speranza.aioe.org... > Hello all > > I wonder if someone who has FMP can access the Parish records for > Lincolnshire, who I believe is working closely with that site. I can't > find anything relating to my search on Ancestry. > > If someone with access could please look for the birth of William Searby > c1841, father William mother Maria N Bruchmann according to information on > his death certificate, or the marriage of the parents. > Would appreciate any help as this has been a brick wall for years. > > Thank you > > Regards, Kate > (Sydney, Australia) > I did a check Kate but couldn't find anything. If I browse the Parish Records in their Lincolnshire Special Collection then it won't tell me anything until I know the relevant parish name.- a problem I've mentioned previously. If I just search their normal parish births & marriages then I don't find any of these people. Do you know the parish name? Tony Proctor

"Tony Proctor" wrote in message news:kso5up$342$1@speranza.aioe.org... "Kate" <ktms@live.com> wrote in message news:kso3h4$s4s$1@speranza.aioe.org... > Hello all > > I wonder if someone who has FMP can access the Parish records for > Lincolnshire, who I believe is working closely with that site. I can't > find anything relating to my search on Ancestry. > > If someone with access could please look for the birth of William Searby > c1841, father William mother Maria N Bruchmann according to information on > his death certificate, or the marriage of the parents. > Would appreciate any help as this has been a brick wall for years. > > Thank you > > Regards, Kate > (Sydney, Australia) > I did a check Kate but couldn't find anything. If I browse the Parish Records in their Lincolnshire Special Collection then it won't tell me anything until I know the relevant parish name.- a problem I've mentioned previously. If I just search their normal parish births & marriages then I don't find any of these people. Do you know the parish name? Tony Proctor Hi Tony No I'm afraid I know very little about his beginnings apart from what is on his death certificate. I know he went to the USA married (Maria Mannion b 1843 Galway, Ireland) and had two or three children there, the first George William b NY 1870, returned to England prior to coming to Australia in 1876. I don't even know of any siblings to give me a clue. Thank you for trying I really appreciate it. Regards, Kate (Sydney, Australia)

> > > > I wonder if someone who has FMP can access the Parish records for > > > Lincolnshire, who I believe is working closely with that site. I can't > > > find anything relating to my search on Ancestry. > > > > > > If someone with access could please look for the birth of William Searby > > > c1841, father William mother Maria N Bruchmann according to information on > > > his death certificate, or the marriage of the parents. > > > Would appreciate any help as this has been a brick wall for years. > > > Ancestry is perhaps the more helpful > There are three William Searbys of about the right date born in Lincolnshire > 1. in Goulceby son of George and Ellen b 1840 > > 2l In Theddlethorpe s James and Mary 1839 > Both fathers ag labs, both appear to remain in Engl;and, close to home till > 1881-1891 > 3. Wllim son of Samuel and Elizebeth, 1839 b Boston, appears to have died > in Nottingham in 1913 and married to Mary Ann aisthorpe > > There is a fourth, located in London, son of George and Elizabeth b 1840. > George was a house painter, b Huttoft. . William , born Bolingbroke Lincs, is > apparently the one who became an engraver of small goods and in -ap1861 > was in Faversham, Kent, in a lodging house, possibly nicely placed for > emigration - not seen after that. > > Bruckman is not a Lincs name, not English as it stands. Is it possibly > William married her? (rather than being her son) > There is a Maria Brockman, b c 1838 dau of a drayman, James, a servant in > Bristol in 1851, back home with widowed mother ANN 1861, not traced after > that. > also a Mary A Brookman b c 1836 dau of John, coachman to the gentry > herself a housemaid in an upmarket household in Montague Square. > Neither are found after 1861 - might have married, might have emigrated. > > This is a very rapid glance at what is available - you will know the date iof > emigration. > EVE > > Author of The McLaughlin Guides for Family Historians > Secretary, Bucks Genealogical Society >

"Kate" <ktms@live.com> wrote in message news:ksqcsi$bqj$1@speranza.aioe.org... > Tony, not sure if this helps but on civil registration, post 1837 there is > a William Searby 1841, Mary, Sept 1839, Joseph Dec, 1839, Elizabeth 1842 > and an unnamed male 1844 all born at Horncastle. > > Regards, Kate > (Sydney, Australia) > > "Tony Proctor" wrote in message news:kso5up$342$1@speranza.aioe.org... > > > "Kate" <ktms@live.com> wrote in message > news:kso3h4$s4s$1@speranza.aioe.org... >> Hello all >> >> I wonder if someone who has FMP can access the Parish records for >> Lincolnshire, who I believe is working closely with that site. I can't >> find anything relating to my search on Ancestry. >> >> If someone with access could please look for the birth of William Searby >> c1841, father William mother Maria N Bruchmann according to information >> on his death certificate, or the marriage of the parents. >> Would appreciate any help as this has been a brick wall for years. >> >> Thank you >> >> Regards, Kate >> (Sydney, Australia) >> > > I did a check Kate but couldn't find anything. If I browse the Parish > Records in their Lincolnshire Special Collection then it won't tell me > anything until I know the relevant parish name.- a problem I've mentioned > previously. If I just search their normal parish births & marriages then I > don't find any of these people. > > Do you know the parish name? > > Tony Proctor > I looked at the parish registers for Horncastle Kate. They're great fun (NOT) as there is no information about the extents of each image - even worse than the days when findmypast's civil registrations were just the scans of the GRO index. It presents you with hundreds of scans, identified only by their consecutive numbers. The civil registration you found was in 1841-Q2 and I eventually found the relevant scans by dipping in as follows: 181 Dec 36 200 Oct 39 209 Jan 41 210 Apr 41 211 May 41 212 Jun 41 220 Oct 42 221 Jan 43 226 Sep 43 238 Nov 51 I found no references to the Searby surname, and only 2 Williams: Mar 1841 William Thomas Pell to William & Sarah Ann (Servant) April 1841, William Clarke to Richard & Elizabeth (nail maker) I didn't check the earlier registrations you found. I think there are several ways to interpret this but the Horncastle parish church obviously wasn't their one. Are you ordering the certificate for the civil registration? Tony Proctor

On 24/07/2013 17:48, Charles Ellson wrote: > An increasing amount of _indexing_ of FMP is repeated in Familysearch > with pointers back to FMP so they would have a hard time making > anything out of such index information being passed on to > non-subscribers. > > ------------------------------- > To me the question is not whether I would be sued but personal honesty and integrity. If I have agreed to certain conditions of access the if I breach those conditions I have not only shown myself untrustworthy but I would have failed myself. Cheers Guy

On Sat, 30 Dec 2000 13:50:13 +0000, Eve McLaughlin <eve@varneys.demon.co.uk> wrote: >In article <8e.f1cd470.277ea531@aol.com>, EvanBarr@aol.com writes >>Can someone please tell me the difference between baptism and christening in >>the UK? >>Thank you kindly, >>Dinnie >> >There isn;t any, apart from the choice of word (we had a long and silly >discussion about this a few weeks back: PLEASE, not again.) c.f. >marriage and nuptials, burial and sepulture. It depends on the >clergyman. This is a topic that seems to come up quite frequently in genealogical forums. Since most of those who are researching genealogy in Britain will be using baptism/christening records of the Church of England, the following official press release should make the position clearer, and should perhaps be incorporated into a faq: http://tinyurl.com/k589x9t Quote from the Church of England web site: "What is the difference between a baptism and a christening? There is no difference between a christening service and a baptism service. Some churches will use the word 'baptism' and some the word 'christening'. Babies are 'baptised' during a 'christening' service just as couples are 'married' during a wedding service. Christening is a traditional English word which means to become a member of the Christian church. Baptism means to be immersed in water. During a christening service a baby or child will be baptised with water and welcomed into the community of the local church." -- Steve Hayes Web: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com/ http://hayesgreene.blogspot.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/afgen/

On 24/07/2013 12:07, roy.stockdill@btinternet.com wrote: > I am pleased to announce that my latest blog in the "Famous family trees" > series is now online at..... > > http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/2013/07/famous-family-trees-sean-bean/ > > The subject is the Sheffield-born actor SEAN BEAN (of Sharpe fame and many > Hollywood films). Ah, my secret fantasy. At least, when he's wearing those boots.

Hello all I wonder if someone who has FMP can access the Parish records for Lincolnshire, who I believe is working closely with that site. I can't find anything relating to my search on Ancestry. If someone with access could please look for the birth of William Searby c1841, father William mother Maria N Bruchmann according to information on his death certificate, or the marriage of the parents. Would appreciate any help as this has been a brick wall for years. Thank you Regards, Kate (Sydney, Australia)

"Charles Ellson" <ce11son@yahoo.ca> wrote in message news:2410v8h67hbn7u3mfr1vcinpigs9sbvhvl@4ax.com... > On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 10:52:40 +0100, "Tony Proctor" > <tony@proctor_NoMore_SPAM.net> wrote: > >> >>"Jenny M Benson" <nemonews@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message >>news:b59lj2Fi8m8U1@mid.individual.net... >>> On 24/07/2013 09:33, Kate wrote: >>>> I wonder if someone who has FMP can access the Parish records for >>>> Lincolnshire, who I believe is working closely with that site. I can't >>>> find anything relating to my search on Ancestry. >>>> >>>> If someone with access could please look for the birth of William >>>> Searby >>>> c1841, father William mother Maria N Bruchmann according to information >>>> on his death certificate, or the marriage of the parents. >>>> Would appreciate any help as this has been a brick wall for years. >>> >>> AIUI, Ancestry don't mind "look-ups" - even possibly encourage them - >>> but >>> FMP apparently actively discourage the practice. >>> >>> If anyone is willing to do FMP "look-ups" it is probably best not to >>> mention on a public forum that they are doing so, for fear of (at the >>> least) losing their own subscription. >>> >>> -- >>> Jenny M Benson >> >>Unless you make a living out of it then I don't really see a problem >>Jenny. >>If I had found an entry for Kate then she would rightly want to see the >>image, and so would have to visit findmypast herself because copying the >>image for us *would* be a problem. However, at least she hasn't wasted >>money >>in the meantime by checking whether an entry exists. >> > An increasing amount of _indexing_ of FMP is repeated in Familysearch > with pointers back to FMP so they would have a hard time making > anything out of such index information being passed on to > non-subscribers. True, Charles, but I can only imagine those T&C's being relevant and effective for large-scale misuse of the data. It would not be practical for such companies to chase genuine genealogists since for every friendly lookup that might be performed, there will be probably be a new customer who want to take advantage of the collections that are getting indirect advertising. I have to say that most references in this list are to Ancestry rather than findmypast. Tony Proctor

On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 10:52:40 +0100, "Tony Proctor" <tony@proctor_NoMore_SPAM.net> wrote: > >"Jenny M Benson" <nemonews@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message >news:b59lj2Fi8m8U1@mid.individual.net... >> On 24/07/2013 09:33, Kate wrote: >>> I wonder if someone who has FMP can access the Parish records for >>> Lincolnshire, who I believe is working closely with that site. I can't >>> find anything relating to my search on Ancestry. >>> >>> If someone with access could please look for the birth of William Searby >>> c1841, father William mother Maria N Bruchmann according to information >>> on his death certificate, or the marriage of the parents. >>> Would appreciate any help as this has been a brick wall for years. >> >> AIUI, Ancestry don't mind "look-ups" - even possibly encourage them - but >> FMP apparently actively discourage the practice. >> >> If anyone is willing to do FMP "look-ups" it is probably best not to >> mention on a public forum that they are doing so, for fear of (at the >> least) losing their own subscription. >> >> -- >> Jenny M Benson > >Unless you make a living out of it then I don't really see a problem Jenny. >If I had found an entry for Kate then she would rightly want to see the >image, and so would have to visit findmypast herself because copying the >image for us *would* be a problem. However, at least she hasn't wasted money >in the meantime by checking whether an entry exists. > An increasing amount of _indexing_ of FMP is repeated in Familysearch with pointers back to FMP so they would have a hard time making anything out of such index information being passed on to non-subscribers.

On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 10:50:48 +0100, MB <MB@nospam.nospam> wrote: >On 24/07/2013 04:17, Charles Ellson wrote: >> Not just 192, various Westminster-controlled departments/organisations >> (e.g. the Met Office) still don't seem to be aware that the regions in >> Scotland were abolished in 1994 as demonstrated by e.g. issuing >> information for motorists and other travellers who using names that >> (except in/around Fife) don't appear on road signs any more. > > >I could understand between different incarnations of county / district / >region / council but they are giving details that are completely wrong >and have never been right. > Your postcode area theory sounds the most likely candidate with a touch of Alice in Wonderland "I see what I eat"="I eat what I see" full reversability of definition being applied if the tiniest part of PH intruded into the old Tayside or Central regions..... and the likely "suspect" bringing in Fife could be a small (less than half a square mile) part of PH2 which crosses the Carmore Burn to the east of Duncreavie.

>From the Brecon Gazette, 13 October 1865 - CARDIFF POLICE COURT. MONDAY.--(Before the Mayor, R. O. Jones, and Wm. Alexander, Esq.) ALLEGED ASSAULT WITH INTENT.--Thomas Ahern appeared on a remand charged with an assault on Catherine Regan. The whole of the case for the plaintiff was heard and the case was adjourned for the defendant to produce witnesses. Mr. Ensor called Thomas Bowen, who said he passed the complainant on Monday night. She was then sitting on the pavement, and was in a state of intoxication. The defendant tried to persuade her to go home, but she said some person had gone for her father, and she would not go till this person returned. Witness went on about 30 yards, and sat down, and in a few minutes heard a scream from the complainant. He went up to the spot and found the complainant and the defendant in the middle of the street. She was scratching his face, and he pushed her away and said "you b----y sweep, I don't want you." Sergt. Price was called and gave the defendant an excellent character. Mrs. Aubrey said she bad examined the complainant, but could find no marks or bruises on her body, but there was a lump on the cheek where the tooth bad pressed against it. Mr. Jones said the origin of the case was somewhat difficult to explain, even taking the account given by the complainant to be the true one. However, there was no doubt that defendant had used more violence than was necessary. If he thought there had been any indecent assault on the part of the defendant, he should have felt it his duty to send the case for trial. As it was, the magistrates would deal with the case summarily and inflict such a penalty as would caution the defendant against using such an amount of violence again. He would be fined 40s. and costs, or one month's imprisonment. Welsh newspapers online at National Library of Wales http://welshnewspapers.llgc.org.uk/en/home

I am pleased to announce that my latest blog in the "Famous family trees" series is now online at..... http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/2013/07/famous-family-trees-sean-bean/ The subject is the Sheffield-born actor SEAN BEAN (of Sharpe fame and many Hollywood films). I got his ancestry back to about 1800 and followed the Bean family from Swinderby and Eagle in Lincolnshire to Doncaster and thence on to Sheffield. I discovered a somewhat tragic ancestor, a great-great-great-grandfather, Joseph Bean, who went bankrupt in 1865 and may have ended his days in an asylum. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

"Jenny M Benson" <nemonews@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message news:b59lj2Fi8m8U1@mid.individual.net... > On 24/07/2013 09:33, Kate wrote: >> I wonder if someone who has FMP can access the Parish records for >> Lincolnshire, who I believe is working closely with that site. I can't >> find anything relating to my search on Ancestry. >> >> If someone with access could please look for the birth of William Searby >> c1841, father William mother Maria N Bruchmann according to information >> on his death certificate, or the marriage of the parents. >> Would appreciate any help as this has been a brick wall for years. > > AIUI, Ancestry don't mind "look-ups" - even possibly encourage them - but > FMP apparently actively discourage the practice. > > If anyone is willing to do FMP "look-ups" it is probably best not to > mention on a public forum that they are doing so, for fear of (at the > least) losing their own subscription. > > -- > Jenny M Benson Unless you make a living out of it then I don't really see a problem Jenny. If I had found an entry for Kate then she would rightly want to see the image, and so would have to visit findmypast herself because copying the image for us *would* be a problem. However, at least she hasn't wasted money in the meantime by checking whether an entry exists. Tony Proctor

On 24/07/2013 04:17, Charles Ellson wrote: > Not just 192, various Westminster-controlled departments/organisations > (e.g. the Met Office) still don't seem to be aware that the regions in > Scotland were abolished in 1994 as demonstrated by e.g. issuing > information for motorists and other travellers who using names that > (except in/around Fife) don't appear on road signs any more. I could understand between different incarnations of county / district / region / council but they are giving details that are completely wrong and have never been right.

On 24/07/2013 09:33, Kate wrote: > I wonder if someone who has FMP can access the Parish records for > Lincolnshire, who I believe is working closely with that site. I can't > find anything relating to my search on Ancestry. > > If someone with access could please look for the birth of William Searby > c1841, father William mother Maria N Bruchmann according to information > on his death certificate, or the marriage of the parents. > Would appreciate any help as this has been a brick wall for years. AIUI, Ancestry don't mind "look-ups" - even possibly encourage them - but FMP apparently actively discourage the practice. If anyone is willing to do FMP "look-ups" it is probably best not to mention on a public forum that they are doing so, for fear of (at the least) losing their own subscription. -- Jenny M Benson

"Kate" <ktms@live.com> wrote in message news:kso3h4$s4s$1@speranza.aioe.org... > Hello all > > I wonder if someone who has FMP can access the Parish records for > Lincolnshire, who I believe is working closely with that site. I can't > find anything relating to my search on Ancestry. > > If someone with access could please look for the birth of William Searby > c1841, father William mother Maria N Bruchmann according to information on > his death certificate, or the marriage of the parents. > Would appreciate any help as this has been a brick wall for years. > > Thank you > > Regards, Kate > (Sydney, Australia) > I did a check Kate but couldn't find anything. If I browse the Parish Records in their Lincolnshire Special Collection then it won't tell me anything until I know the relevant parish name.- a problem I've mentioned previously. If I just search their normal parish births & marriages then I don't find any of these people. Do you know the parish name? Tony Proctor

"MB" <MB@nospam.nospam> wrote in message news:ltCdnUmAxblXY3PMnZ2dnUVZ8qqdnZ2d@bt.com... > FindMyPast have added current Electoral Rolls to their databases > > > > 19 July 2013 > > findmypast.co.uk living relatives records Lost touch with family members > over the years? Finding your living relatives just got easier: now you can > search UK electoral rolls 2002-2013 and UK companies house directors > 2002-2013 as part of a Britain Full & World subscription, instead of > needing separate PayAsYouGo credits! > > > > I started out by looking up myself and a couple of friends. > > They seem to have made a complete mess of Scottish entries > > My address in Fort William is correctly placed in Inverness-shire but the > it has > > Region - Tayside, Central and Fife > > Area - Perth > > I thought this might be because some has done a crude conversion from > postcode but only using the first two letters. > > > > A friend living near Stornoway has just the name of his house and this (no > town etc) > > District: Isle Of Lewis > > Region: Grampian, Highland And Islands > > Area: Hebrides > > County: Grampian, Highland And Islands > > Country: Scotland > > > The old county is Ross-shire and of course they are now Western Isles. > > > > The dropdown menu has under 'County' 'Isle of Lewis' which does not find > him but it will find him with Grampian as the county. This cannot have > come from Postcode because the Western Isles has its own Postcode and > previously had a Paisley one. > > > I sent a message to FindMyPast but they say that they reply that the data > is from 192.com and ... > > > 'The Electoral Registers are an exact copy of the records that have been > published by the by the Electoral Commission.' > > > > Is the rest of 192.com's data so poor? > > > > This 'living relatives' facility has been there for a long time but was only available by PPV, even if you had a findmypast subscription. I once queried this and was told that they hadn't sorted out a way of paying for access to those databases (which findmypast do not own) from subscribed customers, but that they were still working on it. Looks like they've now sor4ted it out. Tony Proctor