On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 12:36:09 +0200, john <john1@s145802280.onlinehome.fr> wrote: >On 30/07/2013 12:07, Mick wrote: >> Hi all, >> I have a 1841 census from Findmypast on: >> James Shepard born abt 1792 at Portsmouth, Hampshire. who married: >> Hannah Lacey born abt 1796 at Newport, IOW at St Thomas's Church, >> Newport, IOW, in 1813. >> >> The 1841 census for River Side Carisbrooke Hampshire has: >> James Shepard Male age 45 born 1796 Hampshire >> Hannah Shepard Female age 45 born 1796 Hampshire >> Harriett Shepard Female age 19 born 1822 Hampshire >> Amelia Shepard Female age 15 born 1826 Hampshire >> Alfred Shepard Male age 13 born 1828 Hampshire >> Jane Shepard Female age 11 born 1830 Hampshire >> Sarah Shepard Female age 9 born 1832 Hampshire >> Henry Shepard Male age 7 born 1834 Hampshire >> Robert Shepard Male age 5 born 1836 Hampshire >> >> The census does not have a Thomas Lacey Shepard born 1845 at Newport, >> in it if he is their child it would solve a problem for me? >> >> If a census for 1851 and later could be found that would help a lot. >> Thanks, >> Mick. IOW. >> > >Hannah (widow), Henry and Robert are in Carisbrooke IoW in the 1851 >census p 1663, f 316 p 4. There is a James who died in IoW in 1848. > >Thomas Lacey Shepard was married Isle of Wight Hampshire 1864 Oct-Dec >Vol 2B Page 925 and >familysearch.org has >Thomas Lacey Shephard >birth: Of Carisbrooke >marriage: 4 October 1864 St. Mary, Carisbrooke, Hampshire, England >father: James Shephard >spouse: Matilda Harley >other: Harrison Harley Thank you very much, the 1851 census helps. With James Shepard and Hannah Lacy who married around 1813, a Shepard Family tree has them with 12 children! I have 10 but two Alfred's both as born 1828 with different wives and families so am wrong somewhere! but am most desperate to know if their children did include a Thomas Lacy and the birth year? Mick. IOW.

On 30/07/2013 12:07, Mick wrote: > Hi all, > I have a 1841 census from Findmypast on: > James Shepard born abt 1792 at Portsmouth, Hampshire. who married: > Hannah Lacey born abt 1796 at Newport, IOW at St Thomas's Church, > Newport, IOW, in 1813. > > The 1841 census for River Side Carisbrooke Hampshire has: > James Shepard Male age 45 born 1796 Hampshire > Hannah Shepard Female age 45 born 1796 Hampshire > Harriett Shepard Female age 19 born 1822 Hampshire > Amelia Shepard Female age 15 born 1826 Hampshire > Alfred Shepard Male age 13 born 1828 Hampshire > Jane Shepard Female age 11 born 1830 Hampshire > Sarah Shepard Female age 9 born 1832 Hampshire > Henry Shepard Male age 7 born 1834 Hampshire > Robert Shepard Male age 5 born 1836 Hampshire > > The census does not have a Thomas Lacey Shepard born 1845 at Newport, > in it if he is their child it would solve a problem for me? > > If a census for 1851 and later could be found that would help a lot. > Thanks, > Mick. IOW. > Hannah (widow), Henry and Robert are in Carisbrooke IoW in the 1851 census p 1663, f 316 p 4. There is a James who died in IoW in 1848. Thomas Lacey Shepard was married Isle of Wight Hampshire 1864 Oct-Dec Vol 2B Page 925 and familysearch.org has Thomas Lacey Shephard birth: Of Carisbrooke marriage: 4 October 1864 St. Mary, Carisbrooke, Hampshire, England father: James Shephard spouse: Matilda Harley other: Harrison Harley

Hi, I´m from Argentina and I´m looking for my ancestors. They arrived to Argentina in 1860 aprox. I know theirs names: Thomas Gerry and Margarita Smith. The problem is: I don't know when and where they lived in UK. If somebody knows, please, help me! Thanks a lot and I´m so sorry for my spelling or/and grammar mistakes! Roberto M. Gerry

Hi all, I have a 1841 census from Findmypast on: James Shepard born abt 1792 at Portsmouth, Hampshire. who married: Hannah Lacey born abt 1796 at Newport, IOW at St Thomas's Church, Newport, IOW, in 1813. The 1841 census for River Side Carisbrooke Hampshire has: James Shepard Male age 45 born 1796 Hampshire Hannah Shepard Female age 45 born 1796 Hampshire Harriett Shepard Female age 19 born 1822 Hampshire Amelia Shepard Female age 15 born 1826 Hampshire Alfred Shepard Male age 13 born 1828 Hampshire Jane Shepard Female age 11 born 1830 Hampshire Sarah Shepard Female age 9 born 1832 Hampshire Henry Shepard Male age 7 born 1834 Hampshire Robert Shepard Male age 5 born 1836 Hampshire The census does not have a Thomas Lacey Shepard born 1845 at Newport, in it if he is their child it would solve a problem for me? If a census for 1851 and later could be found that would help a lot. Thanks, Mick. IOW.

On Sunday, July 28, 2013 10:25:28 AM UTC-5, Norma Clay wrote: > I ask before, I ask again. Is anyone here from Fish Guard, Wales ? My 5x great Grandfather left there in 1650. No problem. Just wonder if there is any member of the Job family still there.My ancestors' name was Andrew Job. He was a Quaker; I guess that there was religious prosecution of them they caused him to immigrate to America.He sent his son ( born at sea) back to England to be educated. He returned to Pennsylvania. The nest generation, Moses, went to fight in the American Revolution. He was then expelled from the Quaker meeting.I guess you don't understand the # of generations as I am older than dirt. I am 82.

A few years back, a well known Irish writer (whose name I have sadly forgotten) researched the primary sources around the so-called massacres and discovered that Cromwell adhered strictly to the rules of war as then extant. The stories that now circulate were, apparently, an invention of a 19th century Catholic priest. The late politician Charles Haughey once refused to attend a meeting in the British Foreign Office because there was a portrait of Cromwell "that murderer" on the wall. Which shows how ignorant he was or more likely, a typical politician. Brian Austin "Tim Powys-Lybbe" <tim@powys.org> wrote in message news:mpro.mqovls1da7cgn007y.tim@powys.org... > On 22 Jul at 21:06, William <cyber_shark5000@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> On Monday, June 4, 2012 10:25:04 AM UTC-5, roy.st...@btinternet.com >> wrote: > > <snip for brevity> > >> > I wonder whether we have any Cromwell descendants on this list??? >> > Personally, I wish I were one but no such luck! >> > >> > -- >> > >> > Roy Stockdill > >> I'm a descendant of his line. Not sure if I'm direct, I think I came >> from one of his siblings, I need to check again (my family has the >> documentation.) I don't know why you would want to be his descendant, >> it's cool, but it doesn't really benefit me at all. ;) > > I share your relationship to Cromwell's line but, like Roy, I would like > to be his descendant. Cromwell brought order out of chaos. While he > was a butcher in Ireland, in other respects he was moderate and > tolerant. He did not have time for the many fanatics that were around > and struggled with the problem of how to install a non-monarchical > government that could survive. He may have failed in his lifetime but > his legacy lives on in the dictum that 'Parliament is Sovereign' and > decides both laws and monarchs. > > Read his writings and the biographies of him and perhaps you will > understand why he is held in such respect. > > "Paint me as I am, warts and all" - O. Cromwell. > > -- > Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org > for a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/

On 29/07/2013 18:59, CWatters wrote: > On 06/06/2012 16:32, Brian Austin wrote: >> You have to be a bit careful about blanket acceptance of the stories of >> Cromwell's massacres in Ireland. > > I was at his house in Ely today. Information posted up there mentions at > least two massacres in Ireland (I wasn't counting) but adds that these > were "normal" for the period and there were massacres carried out by > both sides. > Cromwell, and his opponents, were still operating under the customs of medieval siege warfare which allowed for the decimation of the defenders of a besieged town when defeated. One of the problems is that decimation is now interpreted as killing the majority. -- Graeme Wall This account not read, substitute trains for rail. Railway Miscellany at <http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail>

On 06/06/2012 16:32, Brian Austin wrote: > You have to be a bit careful about blanket acceptance of the stories of > Cromwell's massacres in Ireland. I was at his house in Ely today. Information posted up there mentions at least two massacres in Ireland (I wasn't counting) but adds that these were "normal" for the period and there were massacres carried out by both sides.

On 05/06/2012 07:05, melanie chesnel wrote: > On Monday, June 4, 2012 5:25:04 PM UTC+2, (unknown) wrote: > Oliver Cromwell, my historical hero who >> abolished the monarchy and led the execution party of Charles I, making Britain a republic, >> albeit for only a relatively short period. >> > > Commonwealth - Britain has never been a Republic. Commonwealth is the English term for a political community founded for the common good, a Republic is a state in which the supreme power rests in the body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by representatives chosen directly or indirectly by them. Agreed in both cases the head of state is not a Monarch, but Cromwell's Commonwealth was not republican in my opinion and Cromwell was less than democratic. > > regards > melanie chesnel > I was at his house in Ely today. Pretty sure the signs there say it was "briefly a Republic" of something like that.

On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 09:29:52 +0100, Tim Powys-Lybbe <tim@powys.org> wrote: >On 22 Jul at 21:06, William <cyber_shark5000@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> On Monday, June 4, 2012 10:25:04 AM UTC-5, roy.st...@btinternet.com >> wrote: > ><snip for brevity> > >> > I wonder whether we have any Cromwell descendants on this list??? >> > Personally, I wish I were one but no such luck! >> > >> > -- >> > >> > Roy Stockdill > >> I'm a descendant of his line. Not sure if I'm direct, I think I came >> from one of his siblings, I need to check again (my family has the >> documentation.) I don't know why you would want to be his descendant, >> it's cool, but it doesn't really benefit me at all. ;) > >I share your relationship to Cromwell's line but, like Roy, I would like >to be his descendant. Cromwell brought order out of chaos. > So did an assortment of other well-known undesirables. >While he >was a butcher in Ireland, in other respects he was moderate and >tolerant. He did not have time for the many fanatics that were around >and struggled with the problem of how to install a non-monarchical >government that could survive. He may have failed in his lifetime but >his legacy lives on in the dictum that 'Parliament is Sovereign' and >decides both laws and monarchs. > Something disproved on various occasions in court. >Read his writings and the biographies of him and perhaps you will >understand why he is held in such respect. > >"Paint me as I am, warts and all" - O. Cromwell.

"Norma Clay" <startrekgrannie@gmail.com> wrote in message news:2007e839-1d94-4630-b5ac-158889ffb9ee@googlegroups.com... > I ask before, I ask again. Is anyone here from Fish Guard, Wales ? My 5x > great Grandfather left there in 1650. What would you like to know? Geoff

On 22 Jul at 21:06, William <cyber_shark5000@hotmail.com> wrote: > On Monday, June 4, 2012 10:25:04 AM UTC-5, roy.st...@btinternet.com > wrote: <snip for brevity> > > I wonder whether we have any Cromwell descendants on this list??? > > Personally, I wish I were one but no such luck! > > > > -- > > > > Roy Stockdill > I'm a descendant of his line. Not sure if I'm direct, I think I came > from one of his siblings, I need to check again (my family has the > documentation.) I don't know why you would want to be his descendant, > it's cool, but it doesn't really benefit me at all. ;) I share your relationship to Cromwell's line but, like Roy, I would like to be his descendant. Cromwell brought order out of chaos. While he was a butcher in Ireland, in other respects he was moderate and tolerant. He did not have time for the many fanatics that were around and struggled with the problem of how to install a non-monarchical government that could survive. He may have failed in his lifetime but his legacy lives on in the dictum that 'Parliament is Sovereign' and decides both laws and monarchs. Read his writings and the biographies of him and perhaps you will understand why he is held in such respect. "Paint me as I am, warts and all" - O. Cromwell. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org for a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/

The gaps between the generations seem unusually long if your "5x great Grandfather left there in 1650". Surely, that's wrong? John Townsend, Old Books on Genealogy and British Local History, Always a good selection of stock on our website: http://www.johntownsend.demon.co.uk "Norma Clay" <startrekgrannie@gmail.com> wrote in message news:2007e839-1d94-4630-b5ac-158889ffb9ee@googlegroups.com... >I ask before, I ask again. Is anyone here from Fish Guard, Wales ? My 5x >great Grandfather left there in 1650.

On 28/07/2013 16:25, Norma Clay wrote: > I ask before, I ask again. Is anyone here from Fish Guard, Wales ? My 5x great Grandfather left there in 1650. > It's Fishguard, i.e. one word, or Abergwaun. You might be better asking on more local forums or mailing lists - have a look at WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE and DYFED mailing lists or PEMBROKESHIRE message board on ROOTSWEB. And GENUKI of course http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/PEM/Fishguard/

On 28/07/2013 16:25, Norma Clay wrote: > I ask before, I ask again. Is anyone here from Fish Guard, Wales ? My 5x great Grandfather left there in 1650. > This is a very quiet news group these days but some experienced family history researchers are still around. If you have a specific problem someone might be able to help.

On 7/28/2013 3:51 PM, CWatters wrote: > On 28/07/2013 16:25, Norma Clay wrote: >> I ask before, I ask again. Is anyone here from Fish Guard, Wales ? My >> 5x great Grandfather left there in 1650. >> > > This is a very quiet news group these days but some experienced family > history researchers are still around. > > If you have a specific problem someone might be able to help. There have been over 40 post in the last five days. I guess that could be consider quiet. There are always interesting post.

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I ask before, I ask again. Is anyone here from Fish Guard, Wales ? My 5x great Grandfather left there in 1650.

"CWatters" wrote in message news:ca2dndvEW_LRoG_MnZ2dnUVZ7sadnZ2d@brightview.co.uk... On 24/07/2013 09:33, Kate wrote: > Hello all > > I wonder if someone who has FMP can access the Parish records for > Lincolnshire, who I believe is working closely with that site. I can't > find anything relating to my search on Ancestry. > > If someone with access could please look for the birth of William Searby > c1841, father William mother Maria N Bruchmann according to information > on his death certificate, or the marriage of the parents. > Would appreciate any help as this has been a brick wall for years. > > Thank you > > Regards, Kate > (Sydney, Australia) > Just for a moment I thought this was him but doesn't match the details you provide.. http://history.library.ucsf.edu/searby.html Unfortunately nothing near so grand in this family, pity. Thank you looking. Regards, Kate (Sydney, Australia)

wrote in message news:mailman.7.1374821067.28791.genbrit@rootsweb.com... > > > > I wonder if someone who has FMP can access the Parish records for > > > Lincolnshire, who I believe is working closely with that site. I can't > > > find anything relating to my search on Ancestry. > > > > > > If someone with access could please look for the birth of William > > > Searby > > > c1841, father William mother Maria N Bruchmann according to > > > information on > > > his death certificate, or the marriage of the parents. > > > Would appreciate any help as this has been a brick wall for years. > > > Ancestry is perhaps the more helpful > There are three William Searbys of about the right date born in > Lincolnshire > 1. in Goulceby son of George and Ellen b 1840 > > 2l In Theddlethorpe s James and Mary 1839 > Both fathers ag labs, both appear to remain in Engl;and, close to home > till > 1881-1891 > 3. Wllim son of Samuel and Elizebeth, 1839 b Boston, appears to have died > in Nottingham in 1913 and married to Mary Ann aisthorpe > > There is a fourth, located in London, son of George and Elizabeth b 1840. > George was a house painter, b Huttoft. . William , born Bolingbroke Lincs, > is > apparently the one who became an engraver of small goods and in -ap1861 > was in Faversham, Kent, in a lodging house, possibly nicely placed for > emigration - not seen after that. > > Bruckman is not a Lincs name, not English as it stands. Is it possibly > William married her? (rather than being her son) > There is a Maria Brockman, b c 1838 dau of a drayman, James, a servant in > Bristol in 1851, back home with widowed mother ANN 1861, not traced after > that. > also a Mary A Brookman b c 1836 dau of John, coachman to the gentry > herself a housemaid in an upmarket household in Montague Square. > Neither are found after 1861 - might have married, might have emigrated. > > This is a very rapid glance at what is available - you will know the date > iof > emigration. > EVE > > Author of The McLaughlin Guides for Family Historians > Secretary, Bucks Genealogical Society > Hi Eve The closet one here is the Census 1851 which almost tallies with No 1. In the Census he is 10, b Goulceby, parents George/Ann Searby. Ag Lab for father would be spot on. How we got his parents William/M N Bruchmann I don't know unless they are lurking somewhere out of site. All very confusing, I have nothing to prove George/Ann are really my William's parents. William married Maria Mannion in New York probably late 1860's. After returning to England with 2-3 children they came to Australia 1876. Thank you for your input, it's much appreciated. Regards, Kate (Sydney, Australia)