On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 12:48:53 PM UTC-4, Renia wrote: > On 31/07/2013 13:30, knuttle wrote: > > > > > One of the interesting facts I have observed from my families is that > > > while the average age of death has changed over the decades, the change > > > is caused by the reduction in infant and child birth deaths. > > > > > > This is obvious by the fact the age of death curve is tri modal. One > > > mode is centered at about 10, one mode is in the late twenties, and the > > > last in the early eighties > > > > > > From the data it appears that the biological life span has not changed, > > > what has changed is the life spans affected by disease and such. > > > > > > I have 100 year olds born in the 1700's and in the 1900's This "end > > > point" appears not to have changed with modern medicine and health care > > > practices. > > > > > > Absolutely. Life expectancy has not changed at all because all the > > statistics are skewed by the numbers of child and infant deaths. > > Humankind has long had the capacity to live until 80, 90 or even 100. > > But, if anything, people are not dying older, on average, but younger. > > My studies show more and more deaths of people in their 50s and 60s. The > > more they move to the cities, the younger they die. According to this compilation of U.S. statistics http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0005140.html life expectancy has increased for all ages, not just at birth. For example, 100 years ago, a 50-year-old white male could expect, on average, to live to age 70. Whereas now a 50-year-old white male can expect to live to age 79. I would be surprised (but interested) if this is different in the UK.

From: Tim Powys-Lybbe <tim@powys.org> > I share your relationship to Cromwell's line but, like Roy, I would like > to be his descendant. Cromwell brought order out of chaos. While he > was a butcher in Ireland, in other respects he was moderate and > tolerant. He did not have time for the many fanatics that were around > and struggled with the problem of how to install a non-monarchical > government that could survive. He may have failed in his lifetime but > his legacy lives on in the dictum that 'Parliament is Sovereign' and > decides both laws and monarchs. > > Read his writings and the biographies of him and perhaps you will > understand why he is held in such respect. > > "Paint me as I am, warts and all" - O. Cromwell. > > -- > Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org > for a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/> I agree with Tim. Oliver Cromwell was a great man of his time and much misunderstood and maligned. Apart from the things Tim mentions, Cromwell came from literally nowhere, an obscure country squire with no real military background or experience, to found the first fully professional army in British history, the New Model Army, which was the origins of the British Army as we know it today. Without the dedication and foresight of Cromwell, Charles I and his Royalists would probably have won the Civil War and the absolute rule of tyrannical monarchy would have lasted much longer than it did. Cromwell, as I said, was a man of his time - and people's actions can only ever be judged by the social mores and standards that existed at the time, not with the advantage of hindsight and a mindset of modern values. The suppression of Ireland had begun long before Cromwell came on the scene. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Geoff Pearson wrote: > However, interesting question: does anyone have a proven ancestor only 5 > generations back living before 1700? Given that we normally allow 30 > years per generation it will be very good going but could be done. OP wrote 5x *great grandfather*. Add on father & grandfather so we're dealing with 7 previous generations, not 5. Does anyone have a 5xggfather living before 1700? Well, for a start: John Goddard, my 5x ggfather, bapt 25 Jul 1687, Holmfirth chapel, Almondbury parish, bur 21 Aug 1750, Kirkburton, was mine. He married 1711. My 4x ggfather Jonathan was the 6th child (although 2 of the previous 5 were twins) bapt 03 Apr 1722 so that's about 35 years for that generation. 3x ggfather, another John, was the 5th child, 31 years on. 2x, yet another John was the 6th, born 41 years on. ggfather was 5th, 37 years on. None of those was the youngest of the family although 2x ggfather was next youngest. Only myself and my grandfather break the 30 year barrier and then not by much. Although on average 30 years per generation is reasonable but one should not be surprised to find instances where the generations work out at least 10 years longer than that. -- Ian The Hotmail address is my spam-bin. Real mail address is iang at austonley org uk

On 30/07/2013 19:39, Charles Ellson wrote: > On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 19:23:25 +0100, MB <MB@nospam.nospam> wrote: > >> On 30/07/2013 19:14, Charles Ellson wrote: >>>> If you use Pembrokeshire in a 192.com search you get "multiple locations >>>>> found and a choice of West Glamorgan or Dyfed. >>>>> >>> Sounds like they're employing an ex-Ancestry programmer ?:-( >> >> >> Probably even worse from the complete mess they have made of Scotland - >> presuming it is 192.com who screwed up rather than the Electoral Commission. >> > AFAICT they seem to be using sheriffdoms (i.e. judicial areas) such as > e.g. South Strathclyde - Dumfries and Galloway which don't match to > electoral areas, local authorities or postal areas, effectively > meaningless for most people. > That could partially explain it. An address near Stornoway though it never actually gives the address (name of village or Stornoway), just the name of the house. In their drop down menu when searching, they have an artificial county of 'Isle of Lewis' but the address is not found if you use that because they have called 'Isle of Lewis' a District. 'Grampian' is not available as a county in the drop down list. District: Isle Of Lewis Region: Grampian, Highland And Islands Area: Hebrides County: Grampian, Highland And Islands Country: Scotland According to the list of Sheriffdoms, Fort Willis also in 'Grampian, Highlands and Islands'. They have probably converted Fort William into its Post Town then used its Sheriffdom. District: Fort William Region: Tayside, Central And Fife Area: Perth County: Inverness-Shire Country: Scotland As I suggested, it is a mess

On 7/31/2013 7:23 AM, Chris Dickinson wrote: > The discussion about generations reminds me of a family, Mirehouse of Miresyke in Loweswater in Cumberland, who had a cluster of long living males. > > > John Mirehouse of Miresyke, senior, was buried in 1771 at the age of 92 (according to the parish register) > His eldest son, John, was buried in 1807, aged 101 (ditto - consistent with the parish register baptism) > His eldest son, John, was buried in 1818, aged 76 (tombstone - consistent with the parish register baptism); and second son Joseph was buried in 1828, aged 88 (ditto) > > > Furthermore, the first John's brother-in-law died in 1780, aged 99, and supposedly had a daughter from a third wife in 1765 [she remained a spinster, so I imagine the community thought her fathered by someone else] > > Anyone else with a family like this? > > > Chris > One of the interesting facts I have observed from my families is that while the average age of death has changed over the decades, the change is caused by the reduction in infant and child birth deaths. This is obvious by the fact the age of death curve is tri modal. One mode is centered at about 10, one mode is in the late twenties, and the last in the early eighties From the data it appears that the biological life span has not changed, what has changed is the life spans affected by disease and such. I have 100 year olds born in the 1700's and in the 1900's This "end point" appears not to have changed with modern medicine and health care practices.

On 30/07/2013 22:03, Charles Ellson wrote: > On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 12:25:26 -0700 (PDT), Roberto Gerry > <robmgerry@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi, I´m from Argentina and I´m looking for my ancestors. They arrived to Argentina in 1860 aprox. I know theirs names: Thomas Gerry and Margarita Smith. >> The problem is: I don't know when and where they lived in UK. If somebody knows, please, help me! Thanks a lot and I´m so sorry for my spelling or/and grammar mistakes! >> > Were they already married when they arrived ? Do you know when they > were born ? A quick look at the England and Wales indexes for the name > "Thomas Gerry" shows it mostly occurring in Devon and Cornwall. The > closest marriage indexed in England and Wales is 1856 in Truro > registration district to either Jane PROUT or Eliza SMITH. > It's possible that Eliza didn't like the Spanish rendering of her name and adopted Margarita (Daisy) in preference. -- Graeme Wall This account not read, substitute trains for rail. Railway Miscellany at <http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail>

On 30/07/2013 22:00, BobC wrote: > In article <9a197ae8-dc4e-433e-b698-fa088d928530@googlegroups.com>, > robmgerry@gmail.com says... >> >> Hi, I?m from Argentina and I?m looking for my ancestors. They arrived to Argentina in 1860 aprox. I know theirs names: Thomas Gerry and Margarita Smith. >> The problem is: I don't know when and where they lived in UK. If somebody knows, please, help me! Thanks a lot and I?m so sorry for my spelling or/and grammar mistakes! >> Roberto M. Gerry > > > A quick look at the 1851 census shows most Gerrys lived in Devon or > Cornwall. You say they arrived in Argentina about 1860 but what would > Thomas's approximate year of birth have been, it might help to narrow > the field. > > There are a few variants on the name Gerry - e.g. Jerry or Geary but I > can't spot a possible marriage to a Margarita Smith in the Civil > Registrations - I assume they were married before emigrating but you > haven't said so. > > Another thing that might help is what was his occupation ? Labourers > didn't usually become Merchants when they emigrated :-) > Not strictly true in the case of 19th century emigration to Argentina. Some of my wife's ancestors were ag labs in Scotland but ended up as farmers, merchants and so on in Argentina. By 1860 it is possible that Gerry was working for one of the railway companies. There are some Gerrys to be found at <www.argbrit.org> but Roberto probably knows about them. -- Graeme Wall This account not read, substitute trains for rail. Railway Miscellany at <http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail>

On 30/07/2013 20:25, Roberto Gerry wrote: > Hi, I´m from Argentina and I´m looking for my ancestors. They arrived > to Argentina in 1860 aprox. I know theirs names: Thomas Gerry and > Margarita Smith. The problem is: I don't know when and where they > lived in UK. If somebody knows, please, help me! Thanks a lot and I´m > so sorry for my spelling or/and grammar mistakes! Roberto M. Gerry The only Thomas Gerry marriages before 1860 include (from Ancestry.com): Thomas Gerry, married Jul-Oct 1856 in the Truo district, Cornwall, to either Jane Prout or Eliza Smith William Thomas Gerry married Jan-Mar 1851 in the West Derby district, Lancashire to either Sarah Smith, Charlotte Barlow or Elizabeth Wingfield National census Argentina 1895 (FamilySearch): Departamento Cuarto, Pampa Central, Argentina Margareta Smith, age 55, born about 1840 in England Argentina, Capital Federal, Census, 1855 Cañuelas, Buenos Aires, Argentina Margarita Smith, age 24, born Buenos Aires Roman Margarita Gerry Argentina, National Census, 1895 birth: 1868 Buenos Aires, Argentina census: 1895 Partido Carmen de Areco, Buenos Aires, Argentina Juan Gerry Argentina, National Census, 1895 birth: 1888 Buenos Aires, Argentina census: 1895 Partido Carmen de Areco, Buenos Aires, Argentina Rosa Gerry Argentina, National Census, 1895 birth: 1891 Buenos Aires, Argentina census: 1895 Partido Carmen de Areco, Buenos Aires, Argentina Ysabel Gerry Argentina, National Census, 1895 birth: 1893 Buenos Aires, Argentina census: 1895 Partido Carmen de Areco, Buenos Aires, Argentina Antonio Gerry Argentina, National Census, 1895 birth: 1895 Buenos Aires, Argentina census: 1895 Partido Carmen de Areco, Buenos Aires, Argentina Ana Gerry Argentina, National Census, 1895 birth: 1855 England census: 1895 Partido Lomas de Zamora, Buenos Aires, Argentina María Gerry Argentina, National Census, 1869 birth: 1831 residence: 1869 San Pedro, Buenos Aires, Argentina Ventura Fernando Gerry Argentina, Baptisms, 1645-1930 christening: 14 July 1868 Retiro, Distrito Federal,, Argentina residence: Retiro, Distrito Federal, Argentina father:Fernando Guerra mother:Antonia Cervetti Cristina Mansano Gerry MOTHER_IN_LAW Argentina, Córdoba, Catholic Church Records, 1557-1974 Spouse:Manuel Garcia Gonzalez child:Maria De La Candela Garcia other:Victor Monforte, Concepcion Rey

On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 12:25:26 -0700 (PDT), Roberto Gerry <robmgerry@gmail.com> wrote: >Hi, I´m from Argentina and I´m looking for my ancestors. They arrived to Argentina in 1860 aprox. I know theirs names: Thomas Gerry and Margarita Smith. >The problem is: I don't know when and where they lived in UK. If somebody knows, please, help me! Thanks a lot and I´m so sorry for my spelling or/and grammar mistakes! > Were they already married when they arrived ? Do you know when they were born ? A quick look at the England and Wales indexes for the name "Thomas Gerry" shows it mostly occurring in Devon and Cornwall. The closest marriage indexed in England and Wales is 1856 in Truro registration district to either Jane PROUT or Eliza SMITH.

In article <9a197ae8-dc4e-433e-b698-fa088d928530@googlegroups.com>, robmgerry@gmail.com says... > > Hi, I?m from Argentina and I?m looking for my ancestors. They arrived to Argentina in 1860 aprox. I know theirs names: Thomas Gerry and Margarita Smith. > The problem is: I don't know when and where they lived in UK. If somebody knows, please, help me! Thanks a lot and I?m so sorry for my spelling or/and grammar mistakes! > Roberto M. Gerry A quick look at the 1851 census shows most Gerrys lived in Devon or Cornwall. You say they arrived in Argentina about 1860 but what would Thomas's approximate year of birth have been, it might help to narrow the field. There are a few variants on the name Gerry - e.g. Jerry or Geary but I can't spot a possible marriage to a Margarita Smith in the Civil Registrations - I assume they were married before emigrating but you haven't said so. Another thing that might help is what was his occupation ? Labourers didn't usually become Merchants when they emigrated :-) -- BobC ========== Change "null" to "news" in reply address.

On 30/07/2013 20:14, Charles Ellson wrote: > On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 19:49:48 +0200, john > <john1@s145802280.onlinehome.fr> wrote: > >> On 30/07/2013 19:13, Charles Ellson wrote: >>> On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 17:37:28 +0200, john >>> <john1@s145802280.onlinehome.fr> wrote: >>> >>>> On 30/07/2013 16:57, Norma Clay wrote: >>>>> On Sunday, July 28, 2013 10:25:28 AM UTC-5, Norma Clay wrote: >>>>>> I ask before, I ask again. Is anyone here from Fish Guard, Wales ? >>>>>> My 5x great Grandfather left there in 1650. >>>>> >>>>> No problem. Just wonder if there is any member of the Job family >>>>> still there.My ancestors' name was Andrew Job. He was a Quaker; I >>>>> guess that there was religious prosecution of them they caused him to >>>>> immigrate to America.He sent his son ( born at sea) back to England >>>>> to be educated. He returned to Pennsylvania. The nest generation, >>>>> Moses, went to fight in the American Revolution. He was then expelled >>>>> from the Quaker meeting.I guess you don't understand the # of >>>>> generations as I am older than dirt. I am 82. >>>>> >>>> If you search at www.192.com (fees charged for results after 2002) >>>> or the Electoral Register at www.findmypast.co.uk (subscription or >>>> chargeable credits for 2002-2013) for Job surname in Dyfed (the county >>>> Fishguard is in) >>>> >>> It is in Pembrokeshire, Welsh local government was re-organised >>> (again) in 1996. 192's breakdown of records into sub-national areas is >>> not that accurate WRT current areas but unlike Ancestry it does >>> usually manage to put places into a county/region/whatever that they >>> actually were in at some time. >>> >>>> you will find about 30+ individuals with the Job >>>> surname, including a few in Fishguard itself. >>>> >>>> Individuals have to register for the Electoral Roll but after 2002 you >>>> could opt out of being included in public databases. >> >> If you use Pembrokeshire in a 192.com search you get "multiple locations >> found and a choice of West Glamorgan or Dyfed. >> > Sounds like they're employing an ex-Ancestry programmer ? :-( > Findmypast doesn't use Pembrokeshire for their Electoral Register search either - probably for similar reasons. There are sometimes discussions here as to how people handle all the changes of boundaries that have occurred when there isn't a one-to-one correlation between the various divisions. There was little point in explaining all the complexities of the various boundary changes to someone when I could just tell the OP how to get some possibly relevant information without any problems most easily. You could easily have checked what 192.com actually does, as I did, before posting your incorrect comment.

On 30/07/2013 19:13, Charles Ellson wrote: > On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 17:37:28 +0200, john > <john1@s145802280.onlinehome.fr> wrote: > >> On 30/07/2013 16:57, Norma Clay wrote: >>> On Sunday, July 28, 2013 10:25:28 AM UTC-5, Norma Clay wrote: >>>> I ask before, I ask again. Is anyone here from Fish Guard, Wales ? >>>> My 5x great Grandfather left there in 1650. >>> >>> No problem. Just wonder if there is any member of the Job family >>> still there.My ancestors' name was Andrew Job. He was a Quaker; I >>> guess that there was religious prosecution of them they caused him to >>> immigrate to America.He sent his son ( born at sea) back to England >>> to be educated. He returned to Pennsylvania. The nest generation, >>> Moses, went to fight in the American Revolution. He was then expelled >>> from the Quaker meeting.I guess you don't understand the # of >>> generations as I am older than dirt. I am 82. >>> >> If you search at www.192.com (fees charged for results after 2002) >> or the Electoral Register at www.findmypast.co.uk (subscription or >> chargeable credits for 2002-2013) for Job surname in Dyfed (the county >> Fishguard is in) >> > It is in Pembrokeshire, Welsh local government was re-organised > (again) in 1996. 192's breakdown of records into sub-national areas is > not that accurate WRT current areas but unlike Ancestry it does > usually manage to put places into a county/region/whatever that they > actually were in at some time. > >> you will find about 30+ individuals with the Job >> surname, including a few in Fishguard itself. >> >> Individuals have to register for the Electoral Roll but after 2002 you >> could opt out of being included in public databases. If you use Pembrokeshire in a 192.com search you get "multiple locations found and a choice of West Glamorgan or Dyfed.

On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 19:23:25 +0100, MB <MB@nospam.nospam> wrote: >On 30/07/2013 19:14, Charles Ellson wrote: >>> If you use Pembrokeshire in a 192.com search you get "multiple locations >>> >found and a choice of West Glamorgan or Dyfed. >>> > >> Sounds like they're employing an ex-Ancestry programmer ?:-( > > >Probably even worse from the complete mess they have made of Scotland - >presuming it is 192.com who screwed up rather than the Electoral Commission. > AFAICT they seem to be using sheriffdoms (i.e. judicial areas) such as e.g. South Strathclyde - Dumfries and Galloway which don't match to electoral areas, local authorities or postal areas, effectively meaningless for most people.

On 30/07/2013 19:14, Charles Ellson wrote: >> If you use Pembrokeshire in a 192.com search you get "multiple locations >> >found and a choice of West Glamorgan or Dyfed. >> > > Sounds like they're employing an ex-Ancestry programmer ?:-( Probably even worse from the complete mess they have made of Scotland - presuming it is 192.com who screwed up rather than the Electoral Commission.

On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 19:49:48 +0200, john <john1@s145802280.onlinehome.fr> wrote: >On 30/07/2013 19:13, Charles Ellson wrote: >> On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 17:37:28 +0200, john >> <john1@s145802280.onlinehome.fr> wrote: >> >>> On 30/07/2013 16:57, Norma Clay wrote: >>>> On Sunday, July 28, 2013 10:25:28 AM UTC-5, Norma Clay wrote: >>>>> I ask before, I ask again. Is anyone here from Fish Guard, Wales ? >>>>> My 5x great Grandfather left there in 1650. >>>> >>>> No problem. Just wonder if there is any member of the Job family >>>> still there.My ancestors' name was Andrew Job. He was a Quaker; I >>>> guess that there was religious prosecution of them they caused him to >>>> immigrate to America.He sent his son ( born at sea) back to England >>>> to be educated. He returned to Pennsylvania. The nest generation, >>>> Moses, went to fight in the American Revolution. He was then expelled >>>> from the Quaker meeting.I guess you don't understand the # of >>>> generations as I am older than dirt. I am 82. >>>> >>> If you search at www.192.com (fees charged for results after 2002) >>> or the Electoral Register at www.findmypast.co.uk (subscription or >>> chargeable credits for 2002-2013) for Job surname in Dyfed (the county >>> Fishguard is in) >>> >> It is in Pembrokeshire, Welsh local government was re-organised >> (again) in 1996. 192's breakdown of records into sub-national areas is >> not that accurate WRT current areas but unlike Ancestry it does >> usually manage to put places into a county/region/whatever that they >> actually were in at some time. >> >>> you will find about 30+ individuals with the Job >>> surname, including a few in Fishguard itself. >>> >>> Individuals have to register for the Electoral Roll but after 2002 you >>> could opt out of being included in public databases. > >If you use Pembrokeshire in a 192.com search you get "multiple locations >found and a choice of West Glamorgan or Dyfed. > Sounds like they're employing an ex-Ancestry programmer ? :-(

On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 17:37:28 +0200, john <john1@s145802280.onlinehome.fr> wrote: >On 30/07/2013 16:57, Norma Clay wrote: >> On Sunday, July 28, 2013 10:25:28 AM UTC-5, Norma Clay wrote: >>> I ask before, I ask again. Is anyone here from Fish Guard, Wales ? >>> My 5x great Grandfather left there in 1650. >> >> No problem. Just wonder if there is any member of the Job family >> still there.My ancestors' name was Andrew Job. He was a Quaker; I >> guess that there was religious prosecution of them they caused him to >> immigrate to America.He sent his son ( born at sea) back to England >> to be educated. He returned to Pennsylvania. The nest generation, >> Moses, went to fight in the American Revolution. He was then expelled >> from the Quaker meeting.I guess you don't understand the # of >> generations as I am older than dirt. I am 82. >> >If you search at www.192.com (fees charged for results after 2002) >or the Electoral Register at www.findmypast.co.uk (subscription or >chargeable credits for 2002-2013) for Job surname in Dyfed (the county >Fishguard is in) > It is in Pembrokeshire, Welsh local government was re-organised (again) in 1996. 192's breakdown of records into sub-national areas is not that accurate WRT current areas but unlike Ancestry it does usually manage to put places into a county/region/whatever that they actually were in at some time. >you will find about 30+ individuals with the Job >surname, including a few in Fishguard itself. > >Individuals have to register for the Electoral Roll but after 2002 you >could opt out of being included in public databases.

"Norma Clay" <startrekgrannie@gmail.com> wrote in message news:c70686c1-1a1e-4ba4-87db-a1b8dc0f0239@googlegroups.com... > On Sunday, July 28, 2013 10:25:28 AM UTC-5, Norma Clay wrote: >> I ask before, I ask again. Is anyone here from Fish Guard, Wales ? My 5x >> great Grandfather left there in 1650. > > No problem. Just wonder if there is any member of the Job family still > there.My ancestors' name was Andrew Job. He was a Quaker; I guess that > there was religious prosecution of them they caused him to immigrate to > America.He sent his son ( born at sea) back to England to be educated. He > returned to Pennsylvania. The nest generation, Moses, went to fight in the > American Revolution. He was then expelled from the Quaker meeting.I guess > you don't understand the # of generations as I am older than dirt. I am > 82. I looked on www.bt.com - no Jobs there in Fishguard but not everyone uses BT these days for telephones. Ancestry has a mound of piffle about Andrew Job in the Public Family Trees - very little of it looks as if it based on fact. However, interesting question: does anyone have a proven ancestor only 5 generations back living before 1700? Given that we normally allow 30 years per generation it will be very good going but could be done.

On 30/07/2013 16:57, Norma Clay wrote: > On Sunday, July 28, 2013 10:25:28 AM UTC-5, Norma Clay wrote: >> I ask before, I ask again. Is anyone here from Fish Guard, Wales ? >> My 5x great Grandfather left there in 1650. > > No problem. Just wonder if there is any member of the Job family > still there.My ancestors' name was Andrew Job. He was a Quaker; I > guess that there was religious prosecution of them they caused him to > immigrate to America.He sent his son ( born at sea) back to England > to be educated. He returned to Pennsylvania. The nest generation, > Moses, went to fight in the American Revolution. He was then expelled > from the Quaker meeting.I guess you don't understand the # of > generations as I am older than dirt. I am 82. > If you search at www.192.com (fees charged for results after 2002) or the Electoral Register at www.findmypast.co.uk (subscription or chargeable credits for 2002-2013) for Job surname in Dyfed (the county Fishguard is in) you will find about 30+ individuals with the Job surname, including a few in Fishguard itself. Individuals have to register for the Electoral Roll but after 2002 you could opt out of being included in public databases.

On 30/07/2013 14:08, Mick wrote: > On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 12:36:09 +0200, john > <john1@s145802280.onlinehome.fr> wrote: > >> On 30/07/2013 12:07, Mick wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> I have a 1841 census from Findmypast on: >>> James Shepard born abt 1792 at Portsmouth, Hampshire. who married: >>> Hannah Lacey born abt 1796 at Newport, IOW at St Thomas's Church, >>> Newport, IOW, in 1813. >>> >>> The 1841 census for River Side Carisbrooke Hampshire has: >>> James Shepard Male age 45 born 1796 Hampshire >>> Hannah Shepard Female age 45 born 1796 Hampshire >>> Harriett Shepard Female age 19 born 1822 Hampshire >>> Amelia Shepard Female age 15 born 1826 Hampshire >>> Alfred Shepard Male age 13 born 1828 Hampshire >>> Jane Shepard Female age 11 born 1830 Hampshire >>> Sarah Shepard Female age 9 born 1832 Hampshire >>> Henry Shepard Male age 7 born 1834 Hampshire >>> Robert Shepard Male age 5 born 1836 Hampshire >>> >>> The census does not have a Thomas Lacey Shepard born 1845 at Newport, >>> in it if he is their child it would solve a problem for me? >>> >>> If a census for 1851 and later could be found that would help a lot. >>> Thanks, >>> Mick. IOW. >>> >> >> Hannah (widow), Henry and Robert are in Carisbrooke IoW in the 1851 >> census p 1663, f 316 p 4. There is a James who died in IoW in 1848. >> >> Thomas Lacey Shepard was married Isle of Wight Hampshire 1864 Oct-Dec >> Vol 2B Page 925 and >> familysearch.org has >> Thomas Lacey Shephard >> birth: Of Carisbrooke >> marriage: 4 October 1864 St. Mary, Carisbrooke, Hampshire, England >> father: James Shephard >> spouse: Matilda Harley >> other: Harrison Harley > > Thank you very much, the 1851 census helps. > > With James Shepard and Hannah Lacy who married around 1813, > a Shepard Family tree has them with 12 children! > > I have 10 but two Alfred's both as born 1828 with different wives and > families so am wrong somewhere! > > but am most desperate to know if their children did include a > Thomas Lacy and the birth year? > Mick. IOW. > This link http://goo.gl/jk15xf to familysearch gives all the children born in Hampshire with James and Hannah Shepard as parents There is a Thomas Lacey b 1820

On 30/07/2013 14:08, Mick wrote: > On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 12:36:09 +0200, john > <john1@s145802280.onlinehome.fr> wrote: > >> On 30/07/2013 12:07, Mick wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> I have a 1841 census from Findmypast on: >>> James Shepard born abt 1792 at Portsmouth, Hampshire. who married: >>> Hannah Lacey born abt 1796 at Newport, IOW at St Thomas's Church, >>> Newport, IOW, in 1813. >>> >>> The 1841 census for River Side Carisbrooke Hampshire has: >>> James Shepard Male age 45 born 1796 Hampshire >>> Hannah Shepard Female age 45 born 1796 Hampshire >>> Harriett Shepard Female age 19 born 1822 Hampshire >>> Amelia Shepard Female age 15 born 1826 Hampshire >>> Alfred Shepard Male age 13 born 1828 Hampshire >>> Jane Shepard Female age 11 born 1830 Hampshire >>> Sarah Shepard Female age 9 born 1832 Hampshire >>> Henry Shepard Male age 7 born 1834 Hampshire >>> Robert Shepard Male age 5 born 1836 Hampshire >>> >>> The census does not have a Thomas Lacey Shepard born 1845 at Newport, >>> in it if he is their child it would solve a problem for me? >>> >>> If a census for 1851 and later could be found that would help a lot. >>> Thanks, >>> Mick. IOW. >>> >> >> Hannah (widow), Henry and Robert are in Carisbrooke IoW in the 1851 >> census p 1663, f 316 p 4. There is a James who died in IoW in 1848. >> >> Thomas Lacey Shepard was married Isle of Wight Hampshire 1864 Oct-Dec >> Vol 2B Page 925 and >> familysearch.org has >> Thomas Lacey Shephard >> birth: Of Carisbrooke >> marriage: 4 October 1864 St. Mary, Carisbrooke, Hampshire, England >> father: James Shephard >> spouse: Matilda Harley >> other: Harrison Harley > > Thank you very much, the 1851 census helps. > > With James Shepard and Hannah Lacy who married around 1813, > a Shepard Family tree has them with 12 children! > > I have 10 but two Alfred's both as born 1828 with different wives and > families so am wrong somewhere! > > but am most desperate to know if their children did include a > Thomas Lacy and the birth year? > Mick. IOW. > familysearch has Name: Thomas Lessey Shepard Gender: Male Christening Date: 09 Oct 1842 Christening Place: Carisbrooke, Southampton, England Father's Name: James Shepard Mother's Name: Harriet Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C00813-6 System Origin: England-EASy GS Film number: 1470803 Reference ID: item 26 p 220 so possibly in 1851 SHEPARD, James Head Married 35 SHEPARD, Harriett Wife Married 32 SHEPARD, James Son Unmarried 9 SHEPARD, Thomas Son Unmarried 8 SHEPARD, Harriett Daughter Unmarried 6 SHEPARD, Emily Daughter Unmarried 4 SHEPARD, William Son Unmarried 2 SHEPARD, Walter Son Unmarried 0 P 1663 F316 P 4 River Side, Carisbrooke, Hampshire familsearch James Shepard marriage: 29 May 1839 St. Mary, Carisbrooke, Hampshire, England father: James Shepard spouse: Harriet Dove other: Richard Dove so possibly the grandson of the James b 1792 from familysearch James Shepherd christening: 26 December 1815 Newport, Hampshire, England residence: Newport, Hampshire, England father: James Shepherd mother: Hannah Shepherd