On 10/08/2013 10:59, Anne Chambers wrote: > Graeme Wall wrote: >> On 10/08/2013 08:36, Anne Chambers wrote: >>> Renia wrote: >>> >>>> 1907 Dec 3 - W W Clark joined RAF Technical rank QMS (T) >>> >>> There was no RAF in 1907. >>> >>> >> >> Missed that one! >> > I can't see the point in George E Clark age 2 in 1891 either. I said these were suspected sightings. I added that one, because this was some kind of nursing home or creche for babies and toddlers, with no mothers present. My tentative theory is that this little George E Clark was living in this nursing home, while his suspected mother, Caroline Fowler, was was living as a domestic servant in Kensington in 1891. I could not find any other Caroline Fowler/Clark or George/Whittle/Clark/Fowler in this census. Doesn't mean this is the chap in question, but it would make sense that his mother would leave him in care while she earnt a living. George Whittle Clark/Fowler had a Whittle connection, whether by blood or by godparent, and if he did, then the Whittles seem to have been travellers, wandering players, circus people, Romanies. If, years later, George Whittle Clark wanted to disappear, then joining a troupe of travelling entertainers would be the perfect way to do so.

On 10/08/2013 08:06, Graeme Wall wrote: > On 10/08/2013 02:01, Renia wrote: >> So, a resume of what is known or suspected, according to the good people >> here: >> >> 1889 Jun 1st - William Whittle Clark born Queen Charlotte's Hospital, >> Marylebone >> 1889 Jun qr - William Whittle Fowler born Marylebone >> 1889 Jun 6 - William Whittle Fowler bapt St Mark, Marylebone (b 1 Jun >> 1889, Queen Charlotte's Hospital, Marylebone son of Caroline Fowler) >> 1891 - Caroline Fowler (age 23, b Stepney) a domestic at 29 Barkstone >> Mansions, Kensington >> 1891 - George E Clark (age 2 born St James's London) boarder with other >> babies and infants >> 1892 - George Edward Clark married Caroline Fowler in West Ham area >> 1901 - William Clark living in Wanstead with parents George & Caroline >> 1907 Dec 3 - W W Clark joined RAF Technical rank QMS (T) >> 1911 - William Whittle Clark in census as Gunner RA, born West Ham >> 1911 - >> 1915 July 14 - William W Clark married Susan E Horlock in Wanstead >> Parish church, London, Essex >> 1916 Mar 1 - W W Clark promoted to Master Mechanic in RAF > > Quick point, there was no RAF in 1916, Army Air Corps perhaps? Neither was there an RAF in 1907. As someone said, some parts (the mechanical parts) of the Royal Artillery became part of the RAF in 1918. This 1907 and 1916 info comes from the 1918 RAF muster.

John Adwick (household 123) is clearly a Chelsea pensioner but I cannot read the rest of the text in the occupation. It may have "per diem" as part of the text but not sure. The image link is below. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/61801163/1851EnglandCensus_325391889.jpg Any help accepted

On 10/08/2013 08:36, Anne Chambers wrote: > Renia wrote: > >> 1907 Dec 3 - W W Clark joined RAF Technical rank QMS (T) > > There was no RAF in 1907. > > Missed that one! -- Graeme Wall This account not read, substitute trains for rail. Railway Miscellany at <http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail>

On 10/08/2013 02:01, Renia wrote: > On 09/08/2013 14:53, chaswrdrown@ yahoo.co.uk wrote: >> Hi, >> Does anyone out there have any information as to the death of >> WILLIAM WHITTLE CLARK. >> We believe it may have been in 1940's but have been unable to >> find any reference to him in the FRO. >> >> Did he go abroad or change his name?? >> >> He was born on 01 June 1889 in Queen Charlotte's Hosp. Marylebone. >> He married SUSAN HORLOCK 14 July 1915 in Wanstead Parish church, >> East London (then in Essex). >> In 1933 he left home in Biggin Hill, never to be seen again by his >> wife and two daughters. >> His (now elderly) daughters are anxious to know what happened to him. >> >> Can any descendants of his step-siblings help? >> Can any one else help please?? > > So, a resume of what is known or suspected, according to the good people > here: > > 1889 Jun 1st - William Whittle Clark born Queen Charlotte's Hospital, > Marylebone > 1889 Jun qr - William Whittle Fowler born Marylebone > 1889 Jun 6 - William Whittle Fowler bapt St Mark, Marylebone (b 1 Jun > 1889, Queen Charlotte's Hospital, Marylebone son of Caroline Fowler) > 1891 - Caroline Fowler (age 23, b Stepney) a domestic at 29 Barkstone > Mansions, Kensington > 1891 - George E Clark (age 2 born St James's London) boarder with other > babies and infants > 1892 - George Edward Clark married Caroline Fowler in West Ham area > 1901 - William Clark living in Wanstead with parents George & Caroline > 1907 Dec 3 - W W Clark joined RAF Technical rank QMS (T) > 1911 - William Whittle Clark in census as Gunner RA, born West Ham > 1911 - > 1915 July 14 - William W Clark married Susan E Horlock in Wanstead > Parish church, London, Essex > 1916 Mar 1 - W W Clark promoted to Master Mechanic in RAF Quick point, there was no RAF in 1916, Army Air Corps perhaps? > 1918 - W W Clark in RAF Muster Roll > 1918-1928 - William Whittle Clark in RAF personnel > 1933 - William Whittle Clark left home in Biggin Hill > > A William G W Clark died in the Thurrock area of Essex in 1966 aged 77. > A William G W Clark married Ivy E Jordan in 1917 in Dover, Kent who may > be the William G W Clark who died in the Maidstone area in 1920 (aged 26) > > The computations for finding this man are endless. It reminds me a bit > of Minnie Driver's father, who kept his Air Force life secret, threw his > DFC away and led a double life after psychiatric troubles as a result of > his war experiences. Perhaps William Whittle Clark felt much the same. > Perhaps he even ran away to join the circus?! > > > Some people on Rootschat were discussing Whittles, who were travelling > showmen, predominantly in Essex, thought they got around a bit. There > also seems to have been a Whittles circus. > > http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,314684.10.html -- Graeme Wall This account not read, substitute trains for rail. Railway Miscellany at <http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail>

Anne Chambers wrote: >> > It's interesting that the only relevant birth registered in Marlylebone in June qr 1889 is for a William > Whittle FOWLER. William Whittle CLARK doesn't seem to have been registered at all. > Ancestry has a baptism on 6 June 1889 (St Mark, Marylebone Road no. 61905) for William Whittle Fowler, mother > Caroline Fowler (no father recorded), born at the Queen Charlotte Hospital 1 June 1889. > > Perhaps he resumed his birth name. > Marriages Dec 1892 CLARK George Edward W. Ham 4a 287 Fowler Caroline W. Ham 4a 287 By 1901, William had taken his step-father's surname Class: RG13; Piece: 1608; Folio: 104; Page: 50. 41 Mornington Rd, Wanstead George Clark 32 gardener b Coopersale, Essex Caroline Clark 33 b Stepney William Clark 13 b Marylebone George Clark 7 Alice Clark 6 Margaret Clark 4 all b Wanstead They are at 12 Mornington Road, Wanstead in 1911, except for William who is a visitor at the Soldiers Home, 38 Hill Street, Woolwich -- Anne Chambers South Australia anne dot chambers at bigpond dot com

chaswrdrown@ yahoo.co.uk wrote: > Hi, > Does anyone out there have any information as to the death of > WILLIAM WHITTLE CLARK. > We believe it may have been in 1940's but have been unable to > find any reference to him in the FRO. > > Did he go abroad or change his name?? > > He was born on 01 June 1889 in Queen Charlotte's Hosp. Marylebone. > He married SUSAN HORLOCK 14 July 1915 in Wanstead Parish church, > East London (then in Essex). > In 1933 he left home in Biggin Hill, never to be seen again by his > wife and two daughters. > His (now elderly) daughters are anxious to know what happened to him. > > Can any descendants of his step-siblings help? > Can any one else help please?? > > many thanks > > Charles Drown > chaswrdrown@ yahoo.co.uk > It's interesting that the only relevant birth registered in Marlylebone in June qr 1889 is for a William Whittle FOWLER. William Whittle CLARK doesn't seem to have been registered at all. Ancestry has a baptism on 6 June 1889 (St Mark, Marylebone Road no. 61905) for William Whittle Fowler, mother Caroline Fowler (no father recorded), born at the Queen Charlotte Hospital 1 June 1889. Perhaps he resumed his birth name. -- Anne Chambers South Australia anne dot chambers at bigpond dot com

On 09/08/2013 14:53, chaswrdrown@ yahoo.co.uk wrote: > Hi, > Does anyone out there have any information as to the death of > WILLIAM WHITTLE CLARK. > We believe it may have been in 1940's but have been unable to > find any reference to him in the FRO. > > Did he go abroad or change his name?? > > He was born on 01 June 1889 in Queen Charlotte's Hosp. Marylebone. > He married SUSAN HORLOCK 14 July 1915 in Wanstead Parish church, > East London (then in Essex). > In 1933 he left home in Biggin Hill, never to be seen again by his > wife and two daughters. > His (now elderly) daughters are anxious to know what happened to him. > > Can any descendants of his step-siblings help? > Can any one else help please?? So, a resume of what is known or suspected, according to the good people here: 1889 Jun 1st - William Whittle Clark born Queen Charlotte's Hospital, Marylebone 1889 Jun qr - William Whittle Fowler born Marylebone 1889 Jun 6 - William Whittle Fowler bapt St Mark, Marylebone (b 1 Jun 1889, Queen Charlotte's Hospital, Marylebone son of Caroline Fowler) 1891 - Caroline Fowler (age 23, b Stepney) a domestic at 29 Barkstone Mansions, Kensington 1891 - George E Clark (age 2 born St James's London) boarder with other babies and infants 1892 - George Edward Clark married Caroline Fowler in West Ham area 1901 - William Clark living in Wanstead with parents George & Caroline 1907 Dec 3 - W W Clark joined RAF Technical rank QMS (T) 1911 - William Whittle Clark in census as Gunner RA, born West Ham 1911 - 1915 July 14 - William W Clark married Susan E Horlock in Wanstead Parish church, London, Essex 1916 Mar 1 - W W Clark promoted to Master Mechanic in RAF 1918 - W W Clark in RAF Muster Roll 1918-1928 - William Whittle Clark in RAF personnel 1933 - William Whittle Clark left home in Biggin Hill A William G W Clark died in the Thurrock area of Essex in 1966 aged 77. A William G W Clark married Ivy E Jordan in 1917 in Dover, Kent who may be the William G W Clark who died in the Maidstone area in 1920 (aged 26) The computations for finding this man are endless. It reminds me a bit of Minnie Driver's father, who kept his Air Force life secret, threw his DFC away and led a double life after psychiatric troubles as a result of his war experiences. Perhaps William Whittle Clark felt much the same. Perhaps he even ran away to join the circus?! Some people on Rootschat were discussing Whittles, who were travelling showmen, predominantly in Essex, thought they got around a bit. There also seems to have been a Whittles circus. http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,314684.10.html

On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 21:33:55 +0100, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote: >On 09/08/2013 21:07, CWatters wrote: >> On 09/08/2013 20:41, CWatters wrote: >>> On 09/08/2013 14:53, chaswrdrown@ yahoo.co.uk wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> Does anyone out there have any information as to the death of >>>> WILLIAM WHITTLE CLARK. >>>> We believe it may have been in 1940's but have been unable to >>>> find any reference to him in the FRO. >>>> >>>> Did he go abroad or change his name?? >>>> >>>> He was born on 01 June 1889 in Queen Charlotte's Hosp. Marylebone. >>>> He married SUSAN HORLOCK 14 July 1915 in Wanstead Parish church, >>>> East London (then in Essex). >>>> In 1933 he left home in Biggin Hill, never to be seen again by his >>>> wife and two daughters. >>>> His (now elderly) daughters are anxious to know what happened to him. >>>> >>>> Can any descendants of his step-siblings help? >>>> Can any one else help please?? >>>> >>>> many thanks >>>> >>>> Charles Drown >>>> chaswrdrown@ yahoo.co.uk >>>> >>> >>> >>> There is a record of a William Whittle Clark at the National Archive but >>> only covers dates 1918 to 1928. >>> >>> Air Ministry: Air Member for Personnel and predecessors: Airmen's >>> Records. Reference:AIR 79/11/869 >>> >>> Perhaps he qualified for a pension later or perhaps he went back in the >>> RAF in WW2 ? >> >> 1911 Census appears to have him down as a gunner in the Royal Artilery. > Royal Garrison Artillery IIRC. >> Born "West Ham, Essex". Looks like he may have served in both the army >> and airforce? >> >> > >The air force grew out of the Army, not becoming a separate force till >the spring of 1918 so it would be quite natural to start in the army and >up in the air force by the end of the war.

On 09/08/2013 21:07, CWatters wrote: > On 09/08/2013 20:41, CWatters wrote: >> On 09/08/2013 14:53, chaswrdrown@ yahoo.co.uk wrote: >>> Hi, >>> Does anyone out there have any information as to the death of >>> WILLIAM WHITTLE CLARK. >>> We believe it may have been in 1940's but have been unable to >>> find any reference to him in the FRO. >>> >>> Did he go abroad or change his name?? >>> >>> He was born on 01 June 1889 in Queen Charlotte's Hosp. Marylebone. >>> He married SUSAN HORLOCK 14 July 1915 in Wanstead Parish church, >>> East London (then in Essex). >>> In 1933 he left home in Biggin Hill, never to be seen again by his >>> wife and two daughters. >>> His (now elderly) daughters are anxious to know what happened to him. >>> >>> Can any descendants of his step-siblings help? >>> Can any one else help please?? >>> >>> many thanks >>> >>> Charles Drown >>> chaswrdrown@ yahoo.co.uk >>> >> >> >> There is a record of a William Whittle Clark at the National Archive but >> only covers dates 1918 to 1928. >> >> Air Ministry: Air Member for Personnel and predecessors: Airmen's >> Records. Reference:AIR 79/11/869 >> >> Perhaps he qualified for a pension later or perhaps he went back in the >> RAF in WW2 ? > > 1911 Census appears to have him down as a gunner in the Royal Artilery. > Born "West Ham, Essex". Looks like he may have served in both the army > and airforce? > > The air force grew out of the Army, not becoming a separate force till the spring of 1918 so it would be quite natural to start in the army and up in the air force by the end of the war. -- Graeme Wall This account not read, substitute trains for rail. Railway Miscellany at <http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail>

On 09/08/2013 20:41, CWatters wrote: > On 09/08/2013 14:53, chaswrdrown@ yahoo.co.uk wrote: >> Hi, >> Does anyone out there have any information as to the death of >> WILLIAM WHITTLE CLARK. >> We believe it may have been in 1940's but have been unable to >> find any reference to him in the FRO. >> >> Did he go abroad or change his name?? >> >> He was born on 01 June 1889 in Queen Charlotte's Hosp. Marylebone. >> He married SUSAN HORLOCK 14 July 1915 in Wanstead Parish church, >> East London (then in Essex). >> In 1933 he left home in Biggin Hill, never to be seen again by his >> wife and two daughters. >> His (now elderly) daughters are anxious to know what happened to him. >> >> Can any descendants of his step-siblings help? >> Can any one else help please?? >> >> many thanks >> >> Charles Drown >> chaswrdrown@ yahoo.co.uk >> > > > There is a record of a William Whittle Clark at the National Archive but > only covers dates 1918 to 1928. > > Air Ministry: Air Member for Personnel and predecessors: Airmen's > Records. Reference:AIR 79/11/869 > > Perhaps he qualified for a pension later or perhaps he went back in the > RAF in WW2 ? 1911 Census appears to have him down as a gunner in the Royal Artilery. Born "West Ham, Essex". Looks like he may have served in both the army and airforce?

On 09/08/2013 14:53, chaswrdrown@ yahoo.co.uk wrote: > Hi, > Does anyone out there have any information as to the death of > WILLIAM WHITTLE CLARK. > We believe it may have been in 1940's but have been unable to > find any reference to him in the FRO. > > Did he go abroad or change his name?? > > He was born on 01 June 1889 in Queen Charlotte's Hosp. Marylebone. > He married SUSAN HORLOCK 14 July 1915 in Wanstead Parish church, > East London (then in Essex). > In 1933 he left home in Biggin Hill, never to be seen again by his > wife and two daughters. > His (now elderly) daughters are anxious to know what happened to him. > > Can any descendants of his step-siblings help? > Can any one else help please?? > > many thanks > > Charles Drown > chaswrdrown@ yahoo.co.uk > There is a record of a William Whittle Clark at the National Archive but only covers dates 1918 to 1928. Air Ministry: Air Member for Personnel and predecessors: Airmen's Records. Reference:AIR 79/11/869 Perhaps he qualified for a pension later or perhaps he went back in the RAF in WW2 ?

On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 16:17:20 +0100, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote: >On 09/08/2013 15:41, Cedric wrote: >> >> >>> Does anyone out there have any information as to the death of >>> WILLIAM WHITTLE CLARK. >>> We believe it may have been in 1940's but have been unable to >>> find any reference to him in the FRO. >>> >>> Did he go abroad or change his name?? >>> >>> He was born on 01 June 1889 in Queen Charlotte's Hosp. Marylebone. > That doesn't match with census entries showing a birthplace of West Ham. The Marylebone birth points toward someone who was at school in Marylebone in 1901 and a painter in Arundel in 1911. Could he actually be :- William George W CLARK Sep 1888 West Ham 4a 154 ? >>> He married SUSAN HORLOCK 14 July 1915 in Wanstead Parish church, >>> East London (then in Essex). > Are his father's name and occupation known and do they match both the birth and marriage information ? >>> In 1933 he left home in Biggin Hill, never to be seen again by his >>> wife and two daughters. >>> His (now elderly) daughters are anxious to know what happened to him. >>> >>> Can any descendants of his step-siblings help? >>> Can any one else help please?? >>> >> poss death WW2 West Yorkshire Regt Private 1941 > >That's William Walton Clerk aged 24. > He was described as an RGA gunner in the 1911 census so presumably has a record for that service somewhere. There seem to be at least half a dozen William W CLARKS of similar age. If he didn't want to be found then it is quite likely he could have changed his name. Staying closer to home and not changing the surname doesn't produce too long a list of suspects in the deaths indexes:- William G W Clark abt 1889 Jun 1966 Thurrock William W Clark abt 1891 Mar 1963 Rochford William W Clark abt 1892 Mar 1947 Hendon None of these bring up a matching PRFD index entry to assist exclusion. There is no match to the full name in Scottish death indexes.

On 09/08/2013 15:41, Cedric wrote: > poss death WW2 West Yorkshire Regt Private 1941 That's William Walton Clerk aged 24. > > >> Does anyone out there have any information as to the death of >> WILLIAM WHITTLE CLARK. >> We believe it may have been in 1940's but have been unable to >> find any reference to him in the FRO. >> >> Did he go abroad or change his name?? >> >> He was born on 01 June 1889 in Queen Charlotte's Hosp. Marylebone. >> He married SUSAN HORLOCK 14 July 1915 in Wanstead Parish church, >> East London (then in Essex). >> In 1933 he left home in Biggin Hill, never to be seen again by his >> wife and two daughters. >> His (now elderly) daughters are anxious to know what happened to him. >> >> Can any descendants of his step-siblings help? >> Can any one else help please?? >> >> many thanks >> >> Charles Drown >> chaswrdrown@ yahoo.co.uk -- Graeme Wall This account not read, substitute trains for rail. Railway Miscellany at <http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail>

poss death WW2 West Yorkshire Regt Private 1941 > Does anyone out there have any information as to the death of > WILLIAM WHITTLE CLARK. > We believe it may have been in 1940's but have been unable to > find any reference to him in the FRO. > > Did he go abroad or change his name?? > > He was born on 01 June 1889 in Queen Charlotte's Hosp. Marylebone. > He married SUSAN HORLOCK 14 July 1915 in Wanstead Parish church, > East London (then in Essex). > In 1933 he left home in Biggin Hill, never to be seen again by his > wife and two daughters. > His (now elderly) daughters are anxious to know what happened to him. > > Can any descendants of his step-siblings help? > Can any one else help please?? > > many thanks > > Charles Drown > chaswrdrown@ yahoo.co.uk

Hi, Does anyone out there have any information as to the death of WILLIAM WHITTLE CLARK. We believe it may have been in 1940's but have been unable to find any reference to him in the FRO. Did he go abroad or change his name?? He was born on 01 June 1889 in Queen Charlotte's Hosp. Marylebone. He married SUSAN HORLOCK 14 July 1915 in Wanstead Parish church, East London (then in Essex). In 1933 he left home in Biggin Hill, never to be seen again by his wife and two daughters. His (now elderly) daughters are anxious to know what happened to him. Can any descendants of his step-siblings help? Can any one else help please?? many thanks Charles Drown chaswrdrown@ yahoo.co.uk

On Thursday, December 6, 2012 8:20:03 AM UTC-6, markrut...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: > As far as I understand there are no direct descendants of Olover Cromwell who have the surname Cromwell. The male line of succession died out after 5 generations with a daughter who was the heiress. She had several daughters, of which one married my great, great granfather, who was a Warner. So I am a direct descendant. My sister Fern Flynn is a direct descendant as are her children including Jerome Flynn (as mentioned in one of the posts). On the So You Think You're Royal programme on Sky, they used our photos and photos of portraits hich illustrates the line of descent. Amazingly, Jerome's brother, Daniel Flynn recently played one of Cromwell's generals in the play 55 days at the Hampstead Theatre Club. An excellent play showing the dilemmas thaqt faced Cromell whilst inaugurating the idea of parliament alone being sovereign but having a constitutional 'monarch'. Mark Ashton WARNER On Monday, 4 June 2012 16:25:04 UTC+1, roy.st...@btinternet.com wrote: > As a republican (though not a particularly virulent or obsessive one), I fell to musing over the > > weekend while watching the Jubilee pageant on the Thames (for the boats, not the royals) > > whether there are any living descendants of Oliver Cromwell, my historical hero who > > abolished the monarchy and led the execution party of Charles I, making Britain a republic, > > albeit for only a relatively short period. > > > > According to various websites, there are many. The following site > > > > http://hipweb.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/cromwellcollection/genealogy/heredis/info.htm > > > > says..... > > > > "There are many people alive today who are directly descended from Oliver Cromwell, via his > > son Henry and his daughters Bridget and Frances. Their descent has been thoroughly > > researched and reconstructed down to the mid Victorian period. Thus so long as you can > > trace your ancestry back as far as the 1860s, you should be able to see quite easily whether > > or not you lock into one of the proven lines of descent from Cromwell." > > > > I am aware for certain of only one, the Yorkshirewoman Katharine Worsley, the Duchess of > > Kent (and of course her children), who was born at Hovingham Hall, Hovingham, North > > Yorkshire, in 1933 . She is the 8x-great-granddaughter of Oliver Cromwell via one of his > > daughters, the aforementioned Frances. Ironic, is it not, that she is the Queen's first cousin, > > yet it was her ancestor who was responsible for the execution of HM's 9x-great-grandfather > > in 1649? I wonder if they ever discuss it over afternoon tea! > > > > Cromwell and his wife Elizabeth Bourchier had nine children of whom six survived to > > adulthood but only three produced descendants. > > > > I wonder whether we have any Cromwell descendants on this list??? Personally, I wish I were > > one but no such luck! > > > > > > -- > > Roy Stockdill > > Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer > > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > > and that is not being talked about." > > OSCAR WILDE I am a descendant of Oliver Cromwell and I reside in Texas. A framed picture of the coat-of-arms hangs on my bedroom wall. My great-grandfather Herbert E. Cromwell was born in 1906 and is buried in Brenham, Texas. He had only daughters so as they married the surname was lost. However, I am not sure of which I am a descendant from Henry, Frances, or Bridget. http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=97301401

On Sunday, April 5, 1998 9:00:00 AM UTC+1, Stuart Urquhart wrote: > I have carried out extensive research on my Family Line which describes in some detail a 300 year association with KILCONQUHAR in the County of FIFE Scotland. A proven line takes me back to circa 1700 and a possible line back to 1640 in the Area.In particular I am currently trying to research John Urquhart, the first Pupil Teacher at Colinsburgh School who emigrated to teach at the Scottish School in Byculla Bombay India circa 1890 evidenced from family photographs.Could anyone else tracing the Urquhart Surname back to this area please contact me.Stuart Urquhart@dial.pipex.com My Email address is now stuart.urquhart@hemscott.net. Please dis-regard my old dial.pipex.com account

From: Richard van Schaik wrote, Friday, August 02, 2013 11:45 AM > My grandfather Laurens de Vroom was born 1825 and married 1884 My mother was born 16 Apr 1917, when her father was 60. He was born 22 Feb 1857 when his father was 61. He was born 22 Aug 1796 when his father was 29. He was born 21 Nov 1767 when his father was 42. He was born 13 Dec 1725 when his father was 30. He was born 27 Jan 1695 when his father was 34. He was born 1661 when his father was 36. He was born 1625 when his father was 45. He was born 1580 when his father was 37. He was born 1543 when his father was 35. He was born 1508 when his father was 48. He was born 1460 - that's as far back as we go in that line ;-) Average age of the father at the birth of my ancestor is 41.5 (average of those eleven ages) 1460 to 1917 = 457 years between first & last birth, 12 generations = 38 years per generation, = 2.6 generations per century. That's down my male line, of course. If one were to do the same exercise with the last-born sons the result would be different. Going down the female line of first-born daughters would be very, very different ! Of course, being a woman, my mother broke that chain, for I was born in 1939 on her 22nd birthday. She died in 2004, so she, her father and her grandfather (three generations) extended over four centuries (1796 - 2004). There was a letter to the Daily telegraph many years ago (which I have somewhere) from someone whose grandfather was also born in 1796, but *his* last child was born in the 1960s, i.e. a "generation" later than me. My father's father's mother was an ARDEN; that male line goes back to Siward, Lord of Wallingford, circa 800 AD - but the dates of birth are not recorded until 17 generations later, in 1412 ! No. CBA Some other time, perhaps ! And how trustworthy are they anyway ??? ;-)

Hi Jill Could it be John in the "Charterhouse for Poor Brothers" (Page 8 of 9) Census 1841, born c 1766, and Mary Hanson born c 1766, "Saint Luke's Workhouse" Page 8 of 14? Regards, Kate (Sydney, Australia) "Jill Dyke" wrote in message news:gHPLt.1088$0q4.899@fx19.am4... I have just received the death certificate for John HANSON a 76 year old shoemaker, who died 11th December 1844 but have been unable to find this man in the 1841 census. The death was registered in the Whitechapel district, sub-district Mile End New Town, Middlesex. Place of death Workhouse, Charles Street, Mile End New Town Informant Mary Hayes Nurse present at the death Christchurch Workhouse her Mark X I am hoping this is my 5*great grandfather John HANSON who married Mary JOSLIN at St Mary Whitechapel, Middlesex the 30th November 1790 and baptised 3 children at St Mary Whitechapel. Mary (my 4*great grandmother who married James SWIGG) bapt. 23 Nov 1791, John bapt. 27 January 1793 and James bapt. 12 July 1795 & buried 1 Nov 1796. Hoping someone can find John in 1841 Jill