On Sat, 17 Aug 2013 09:13:59 +0100, Mick <mrcycleuk@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >Hi all, > I have come across a article in our local Isle of Wight weekly paper >the "County Press" >[...] >On them printing it I am very disappointed, it seems to be printed in >"black and White" as opposed to "grayscale" >I appreciate most printouts they do will be text and "black and White" >[...] Even in black and white, choice of output type is not necessarily intuitive. My HP Scanjet 3400C, using HP PrecisionScan LTX, offers Text Text and Image Black and White Drawing Black and White Photograph Color Drawing Normal Colour Photograph Best Colour Photograph I don't think that I have ever found the results of Black and White Drawing satisfactory, even for black and white drawings. I use a photograph setting. For black and white drawings, I use IrfanView to remove grey background that should be white, by editing the palette.

On Sat, 17 Aug 2013 14:10:24 +0100, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote: >On 17/08/2013 13:36, Keith Nuttle wrote: >> On 8/17/2013 4:13 AM, Mick wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> I have come across a article in our local Isle of Wight weekly paper >>> the "County Press" >>> This is a excellent paper with Birth and death reports each week which >>> I carefully go through and scan in parts. >>> In 1929 my mother was pictured with my eldest sister on her lap, with >>> her four G Grandmothers included in separate photos with them. >>> I thought I might be able to match unknown photos to the G >>> Grandmothers but found no photos that matched, so the article contains >>> the only pictures of them. >> >> Can you see a copy of the actual newspaper page? >> >> If so take your digital camera, and photograph the page instead of >> scanning it. >> >> I have found that color scans and photos do a better job than when >> copying in black and white. >> >> If you do not have a tripod or they are not allowed, get as high above >> the page as possible, adjust the camera neck strap so that you can bring >> the camera down to the point where the strap is tight and you can get >> the text you want in the picture frame. Brace yourself and take the >> picture. >> >> I have found you can get readable copies in photographs of 640X480 >> pixels, obviously the higher the pixel rating the better the copy. >> >> > >If the ISO is adjustable try setting it higher to give a faster shutter >speed, this will reduce any camera shake. Take several shots at >different settings. > If you're likely to make a habit of photographing things that require a steady hand then investing in a monopod might help. IME they're often allowed where a tripod isn't and when used unextended you can just prop it on your seat; in that "short" mode they also add a bit more inertia when left hanging off a camera being used at low speed if the camera doesn't have its own steadying function.

On 8/17/2013 1:30 PM, Charles Ellson wrote: > On Sat, 17 Aug 2013 16:43:54 GMT, myths@ic24.net (cecilia) wrote: > >> On Sat, 17 Aug 2013 09:13:59 +0100, Mick <mrcycleuk@yahoo.co.uk> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> I have come across a article in our local Isle of Wight weekly paper >>> the "County Press" >>> [...] >>> On them printing it I am very disappointed, it seems to be printed in >>> "black and White" as opposed to "grayscale" >>> I appreciate most printouts they do will be text and "black and White" >>> [...] >> >> Even in black and white, choice of output type is not necessarily >> intuitive. >> >> My HP Scanjet 3400C, using HP PrecisionScan LTX, offers >> Text >> Text and Image >> Black and White Drawing >> Black and White Photograph >> Color Drawing >> Normal Colour Photograph >> Best Colour Photograph >> >> I don't think that I have ever found the results of Black and White >> Drawing satisfactory, even for black and white drawings. >> > Can you adjust the black v. white threshold setting ? If it is fixed > then that often makes 2-colour scanning useless especially if the > paper is no longer white enough. > >> I use a photograph setting. For black and white drawings, I use >> IrfanView to remove grey background that should be white, by editing >> the palette. The reason a full spectrum color scan is better than black or white or a two color scan is the fact that inks will bleed into the paper. This tends to separate the colors making up the ink. (Yes even black ink will separates into its various components which are different colors. and yes I realize there is a limited number of colors detected in the average scanner.) By scanning if a full spectrum you get all of the colored compounds making up the ink. The same can happen as the components of the ink react with the components of the paper causing compound of different colors. Looking at an old copy, you may not even be aware of the many colors making up the apparent black ink on the white paper. Once you get a full spectrum scan, you can manipulate the image in a image processing program to get the most readable image.

Anne Chambers wrote, Saturday, August 17, 2013 9:47 AM > find out if your local library/archives also > has back copies and see if they can do a better job ...or the Newspaper Library at Colindale www.bl.uk/welcome/newspapers.html‎ http://www.bl.uk/reshelp/inrrooms/blnewspapers/newscat/newscat.html from which:- ------------------------------ To search for items held at British Library Newspaper, Colindale: Go to Explore the British Library (http://explore.bl.uk) Enter your search term in the 'Main catalogue' search box; help on searching is available Click the arrow at the side of 'Everything in this catalogue' and select 'Newspaper Library' Click 'Search' When searching you should note that some national newspapers can be difficult to find due the use of common title words such as "Times", "News", "Press", "Chronicle" etc., so we have provided a guide to the shelfmarks of the major UK national papers published in London. http://www.bl.uk/reshelp/findhelprestype/news/diffnews/index.html ------------------------------

On 17/08/2013 13:36, Keith Nuttle wrote: > On 8/17/2013 4:13 AM, Mick wrote: >> Hi all, >> I have come across a article in our local Isle of Wight weekly paper >> the "County Press" >> This is a excellent paper with Birth and death reports each week which >> I carefully go through and scan in parts. >> In 1929 my mother was pictured with my eldest sister on her lap, with >> her four G Grandmothers included in separate photos with them. >> I thought I might be able to match unknown photos to the G >> Grandmothers but found no photos that matched, so the article contains >> the only pictures of them. > > Can you see a copy of the actual newspaper page? > > If so take your digital camera, and photograph the page instead of > scanning it. > > I have found that color scans and photos do a better job than when > copying in black and white. > > If you do not have a tripod or they are not allowed, get as high above > the page as possible, adjust the camera neck strap so that you can bring > the camera down to the point where the strap is tight and you can get > the text you want in the picture frame. Brace yourself and take the > picture. > > I have found you can get readable copies in photographs of 640X480 > pixels, obviously the higher the pixel rating the better the copy. > > If the ISO is adjustable try setting it higher to give a faster shutter speed, this will reduce any camera shake. Take several shots at different settings. -- Graeme Wall This account not read, substitute trains for rail. Railway Miscellany at <http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail>

On 8/17/2013 12:02 PM, Mick wrote: > On Sat, 17 Aug 2013 08:36:25 -0400, Keith Nuttle > <Keith_Nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >> On 8/17/2013 4:13 AM, Mick wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> I have come across a article in our local Isle of Wight weekly paper >>> the "County Press" >>> This is a excellent paper with Birth and death reports each week which >>> I carefully go through and scan in parts. >>> In 1929 my mother was pictured with my eldest sister on her lap, with >>> her four G Grandmothers included in separate photos with them. >>> I thought I might be able to match unknown photos to the G >>> Grandmothers but found no photos that matched, so the article contains >>> the only pictures of them. >> >> Can you see a copy of the actual newspaper page? > > Hi, no it can only be viewed on their viewer machine like a > microfiche viewer, the screen image is not good, I can see if they > will let me take a photo of it. > > There was somebody years ago that had back issues of the paper from > when they had a clear out, but nothing shows up in any search. > > What I do not understand is, they do print from these films to papers > in a "looking back" section but the assistant knew nothing about how > they did it. > > I will try writing to the Editor, there is nothing to loose! > Mick.IOW. >> There is never any thing to loose in asking a question, especially now with e-mail at one time you could loose the price of a stamp ;-) Some time when they respond I have been surprised with the information I was looking for, with additional information that I was not.

On Sat, 17 Aug 2013 18:17:33 +0930, Anne Chambers <anne@privacy.net> wrote: >Mick wrote: > >> >> Does anyone have any thoughts on how I can get this in a reasonably >> quality? >> Thanks, >> Mick. IOW. >> >Ask them who their IT person is and get on to him/her direct. Or find out if your local library/archives also >has back copies and see if they can do a better job I know the Records Office has a set there, but their equipment is poor as well, I will try them , and the Library! I have been searching hoping to find a specialist firm doing prints like this but not found anything. To me the photos are so special the cost is not important. Thanks, Mick.IOW.

Mick wrote: > Hi all, > I have come across a article in our local Isle of Wight weekly paper > the "County Press" > This is a excellent paper with Birth and death reports each week which > I carefully go through and scan in parts. > In 1929 my mother was pictured with my eldest sister on her lap, with > her four G Grandmothers included in separate photos with them. > I thought I might be able to match unknown photos to the G > Grandmothers but found no photos that matched, so the article contains > the only pictures of them. > > The cutting was scanned by someone who passed the file to my via a > cousin, it was very dark yellow > So I went to the papers office hoping to get a new printout. > We found it easily as my cutting had the date on it. > On them printing it I am very disappointed, it seems to be printed in > "black and White" as opposed to "grayscale" > I appreciate most printouts they do will be text and "black and White" > should be ok, but with photos it brings terrible results. > I tactfully asked how the printer was set up, but was told their IT > sets it and it cannot be changed. > > I then tried to ask how they would re print the article as they > sometimes do in a looking back section but the assistant did not know. > > They do not still have the photos themselves, I would of willingly > bought copies! > > I did ask if there was a way of me having the image as a file to print > at home, but was told no. > > Does anyone have any thoughts on how I can get this in a reasonably > quality? Did the newspaper have the original hard-copy or just a microfilm? If they had microfilm, you're toasted -- microfilm didn't have that sort of detail. If they have a scan (suggested by the need for an IT person), and they scanned the microfilm you're toasted for the same reason. If they scanned the original, see if you can get a digital copy of their digital file of that issue. If they had hard-copy, trot out your handy-dandy digital camera, or in a pinch, your cell/mobile phone's camera. Did you check the new LDS site? They have a lot of material newly scanned as pdf and the images I'm seeing are orders of magnitude better than the microfilmed versions. Cheryl

Hi all, I have come across a article in our local Isle of Wight weekly paper the "County Press" This is a excellent paper with Birth and death reports each week which I carefully go through and scan in parts. In 1929 my mother was pictured with my eldest sister on her lap, with her four G Grandmothers included in separate photos with them. I thought I might be able to match unknown photos to the G Grandmothers but found no photos that matched, so the article contains the only pictures of them. The cutting was scanned by someone who passed the file to my via a cousin, it was very dark yellow So I went to the papers office hoping to get a new printout. We found it easily as my cutting had the date on it. On them printing it I am very disappointed, it seems to be printed in "black and White" as opposed to "grayscale" I appreciate most printouts they do will be text and "black and White" should be ok, but with photos it brings terrible results. I tactfully asked how the printer was set up, but was told their IT sets it and it cannot be changed. I then tried to ask how they would re print the article as they sometimes do in a looking back section but the assistant did not know. They do not still have the photos themselves, I would of willingly bought copies! I did ask if there was a way of me having the image as a file to print at home, but was told no. Does anyone have any thoughts on how I can get this in a reasonably quality? Thanks, Mick. IOW.

On 8/17/2013 4:13 AM, Mick wrote: > Hi all, > I have come across a article in our local Isle of Wight weekly paper > the "County Press" > This is a excellent paper with Birth and death reports each week which > I carefully go through and scan in parts. > In 1929 my mother was pictured with my eldest sister on her lap, with > her four G Grandmothers included in separate photos with them. > I thought I might be able to match unknown photos to the G > Grandmothers but found no photos that matched, so the article contains > the only pictures of them. Can you see a copy of the actual newspaper page? If so take your digital camera, and photograph the page instead of scanning it. I have found that color scans and photos do a better job than when copying in black and white. If you do not have a tripod or they are not allowed, get as high above the page as possible, adjust the camera neck strap so that you can bring the camera down to the point where the strap is tight and you can get the text you want in the picture frame. Brace yourself and take the picture. I have found you can get readable copies in photographs of 640X480 pixels, obviously the higher the pixel rating the better the copy.

On 16/08/2013 17:02, Peter Heather wrote: >> >> Maybe not Liverpool but OPC threw up what I think looks an >> interesting one: >> >> Baptism: 6 Oct 1872 St John, Preston, Lancashire, England >> >> Frederick William Wilson - [Child] of William Wilson & Mary Ann >> >> Occupation: Marine Store Dealer >> >> It struck me that the 'samples' could be marine ones. >> >> Tony Proctor > > A Marine Store Dealer was a "broker of waste materials", often simply > a rag and bone man, and not necessarily dealing in anything marine at > all. In fact many such dealers were well inland and miles from the > sea. Today, his business would be a recycling plant, no doubt.

On Thu, 15 Aug 2013 20:46:39 +0100, Tickettyboo <tickettyboo@mail2oops.com> wrote: >If you think there may be a crematorium record for someone you are >looking for, have you tried contacting the bereavement services dept of >IOW to ask about records and access? They may not be aware that there >are folk like us who would be interested in accessing the records/ book >of remembrance. >I find that email is a better option than telephone as it gives the >recipient a bit more time to deal with a query and quite often they can >be really helpful. I phoned them today, the only email address was to the main council. They were very helpful and gave me the date. They also said I could call there and look at their records myself, so I shall make a list! Thank you all very much! So much to learn. Mick. IOW.

On Thu, 2013-08-15 at 19:34 +0100, Richard Smith wrote: > That's a possibility too. The 1891 census for William H Wilson > describes him as a "[something] Officer HM Customs". I'm not sure > what > the [something] is, but it looks a lot like "Ouldoa". > > "Outdoor Officer" perhaps. That was a recognised category. There are good records of Customs staff at the National Archives.

"Tickettyboo" <tickettyboo@mail2oops.com> wrote in message news:b713gvFe8a7U1@mid.individual.net... > Apologies in advance for the length of this post. I keep revisiting John > in the hope that I can finally get back further for this line. I am really > stuck but 'have' put in a lot of work before asking for help, so I have > included as much info as I can to save anyone who is willing to help from > duplicating the effort. > > John Wilson c1874 - 1923 > > Definite, documented and checked out info, (working backward from what I > already knew): > > 13th March 1923 Probate Calendar says John Wilson died 8th Feb, address 34 > Tunnel Road Probate to widow, Mary Wilson, effects £134 2s 11d > > 8th Feb 1923, Q1 1923 Liverpool 8b 491 death certificate. Aged 48, address > 34 Tunnel Road, occupation Engineer Fitter. Informant Mary Wilson, widow > same address > > 1911 Gores entry : Wilson, John confectioner, 34 Tunnel Road His > Grandaughter, (born after John died) says the family had a sweetie shop at > 34 Tunnel Road when she was young. > > 2nd April 1911 Census RG14PN22593 RG78PN1326 RD455 SD9 ED41 SN29, 34 > Tunnel Road, Head of House is John Wilson, age 36, occupation Agricultural > Engineer, born Liverpool, been married 12 years, wife Mary age 34 plus > children : John (11), Frederick (10), Mary (8), Jessie (3) and Dora > (4months) - their final child, Stanley, was born in 1919. > > 31st March 1901 Census Class: RG13;Piece: 3493;Folio: 50;Page: 4, 34 > Tunnel Road, Head of House John Wilson, age 26 , occupation Cycle Fitter, > born Liverpool, wife Mary age 24, plus John (1) and Fred (4months). > > 8th August 1898 , Q3 1898 Liverpool 8b 137, Marriage certificate. > John Wilson age 25, Bachelor, occupation Fitter, address 8 Moor (or > possibly Moon) Street, father: William Wilson occupation: Sample Man > Mary Cochrane, age 22, spinster, no occupation, address 6 Boundary Place, > father William Cochrane occupation Tin Smith > Witnesses George Moor and Susannah Dean (no bells ringing for those names) > Marriage took place at St Mary Magdalen > > > All fairly straightforward but I have been struggling for years now to get > further back than his marriage. His father's occupation of Sample Man was > a first for me and I am working on the assumption that he was some sort of > commercial traveller/salesman. > > I worked through the census returns in 1881/1891 looking for a John > Wilson b c 1874 with a Dad called William. Checked ages, occupations etc > and tracked them forward to see if can find one that 'fits', cross checked > with parish registers for extra info. No joy, nothing which could go into > the highly possible file. > > So, I then started on the John Wilsons who were left on the possibles > list. Dad not William but maybe a lodger/nephew/brother/passerby (I am > straw clutching here) and there is one which gives me that niggling > feeling that it may be 'the' one, but its not writ in stone and there are > flaws. > > 5th April 1891 Census RG number: RG12,Piece: 2992,Folio: 26, Page: 47 > > Head of House is Thomas Collins age 37, widower occupation Shop Porter, > born Ireland > 3 daughters with surname Collins - Annie (10), Violet (8), Maud (5) > plus > John Wilson, Stepson age 16, occupation Apprentice Blacksmith, born > Liverpool > E G (oh thanks for that, it would have been useful to give her full name!) > Stepdaughter, age 12. > > So, looks like his wife who died was a widow/unmarried mother of 2 when > they married c 1880? > > > Going back.. > 3rd April 1881 Census RG number: RG11,Piece: 3700,Folio: 75, Page: 34 > Head of House is Thomas Collins , age 27, married, occupation Freight > Clerk, born Ireland > Mary A Collins, wife age 27, born Liverpool > Fred Wilson Stepson, age 9, born Liverpool > Elizabeth Wilson, age 2, born Liverpool > Annie Collins, age 0, born Liverpool > plus a bunch of boarders in the house. > > ? seems to be the same family but no sign of John (who would be 6) and > there is a Fred who is 9. > > 16th November 1879 Mary Ann Wilson, widow, aged 26, father William Poland, > warehouseman married Thomas Collins, Bachelor, aged 24, occupation > Warehouseman, father John Collins, bricklayer. Address for both: Rathbone > Street. Witnesses Alex McDowall, Margaret Thompson. Church - St Nicholas. > > 19th September 1871 Mary Ann Poland, spinster, age 19, father William > Poland, warehouseman. Married William Wilson age 21, occupation Salesman, > father John Wilson, painter. Address for both Smithdown Lane. Witnesses > Charles Girvan(? Girran), Mary Taylor. Church - St Stephen the Martyrs. > > > There is a baptism for an Elizabeth Gertude Wilson, 5th June 1878, (born > 10 May 1878) St Ambrose, Everton. Parents : William & Mary Ann Wilson, 40 > Herwood ( I think it should say Harewood ) St., Father 's occupation > Clerk. > > Lots of possibilities for a death registration for William Wilson > c1877-1879 > > I have an entry from the probate calendar for a William Wilson, formerly > of Anthony-street but late of Greenwood street both in Everton Liverpool > in the county of Lancaster who died 2 December 1877 at Greenwood street > proved at Liverpool by Mary Ann Wilson of 40 Harewood street Liverpool > Widow the Relict and Willian Poland of 64 Whitefield road Liverpool > Warehouseman the Executors. > > Can't find a baptism for a Fred(erick) born c1872 or John born c1874, but > the likely church records (St Stephen/ St Ambrose) are not on ancestry for > those dates- though I have searched on all churches too). > > > It kind of 'feels' right, but though my gut feeling is that its possible, > I feel I am chasing shadows, I get near to a conclusion and then it slips > away from me. > > If there is anyone who has had the stamina to read all this and has a bit > of stamina left over to give it some thought and pass comment/put forward > suggestions I would 'really' appreciate it. > -- > Tickettyboo > Maybe not Liverpool but OPC threw up what I think looks an interesting one: Baptism: 6 Oct 1872 St John, Preston, Lancashire, England Frederick William Wilson - [Child] of William Wilson & Mary Ann Occupation: Marine Store Dealer It struck me that the 'samples' could be marine ones. Tony Proctor

Peter Heather <heather170@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >> >> Maybe not Liverpool but OPC threw up what I think looks an interesting one: >> >> Baptism: 6 Oct 1872 St John, Preston, Lancashire, England >> >> Frederick William Wilson - [Child] of William Wilson & Mary Ann >> >> Occupation: Marine Store Dealer >> >> It struck me that the 'samples' could be marine ones. >> >> Tony Proctor > > A Marine Store Dealer was a "broker of waste materials", often simply a > rag and bone man, and not necessarily dealing in anything marine at all. > In fact many such dealers were well inland and miles from the sea. > A Marine Store Dealer was a licensed broker who bought and sold used cordage, bunting, rags, timber, metal and other general waste materials. He usually sorted the purchased waste by kind, grade etc. He also repaired and mended sacks etc. Marine Store Dealers were governed by an Act of Parliament 1st. Geo. IV. sec.16 cap.75. Which enacted that every marine-store-dealer shall have his name inserted in legible characters over his shop-door and shall also keep a book in which he shall insert the name and address of any person from whom he shall buy any article. -- wtwjgc (Joe)

On 2013-08-16 00:54:10 +0000, Anne Chambers said: > Tickettyboo wrote: > >>> >> >> I couldn't read the word that looks like >> 'Ouldra' either > > It's 'Outdoor Officer HM Customs' - the 't' is uncrossed. oh yes, well spotted! Your eyes must be way better than mine :-) Thanks -- Tickettyboo

On Thursday, January 24, 2013 3:47:26 PM UTC-5, Roba wrote: > There was a thread on here about 7 years ago regarding the air crash at Mill Hill in Oct 1950. My wife is the grand daughter of the sole survivor, a steward on board and we couldn't help notice that the mother of Jeff also knew him. It would be good to know more and share stories. Hopefully can get in touch..... Hello! The plane crashed into my parents' garden wall, barely missing their house. I would very much be interested in talking to your wife as I am writing a book about the house and would like to include a survivor's version of events. Please email me at amandacooks@hotmail.com. My name is Amanda Graves. Many thanks.

Tickettyboo wrote: >> > > I couldn't read the word that looks like > 'Ouldra' either It's 'Outdoor Officer HM Customs' - the 't' is uncrossed. -- Anne Chambers South Australia anne dot chambers at bigpond dot com

> > Maybe not Liverpool but OPC threw up what I think looks an interesting one: > > Baptism: 6 Oct 1872 St John, Preston, Lancashire, England > > Frederick William Wilson - [Child] of William Wilson & Mary Ann > > Occupation: Marine Store Dealer > > It struck me that the 'samples' could be marine ones. > > Tony Proctor A Marine Store Dealer was a "broker of waste materials", often simply a rag and bone man, and not necessarily dealing in anything marine at all. In fact many such dealers were well inland and miles from the sea. Peter

On 2013-08-15 18:42:52 +0000, johnfhhgen said: > I had a quick look on Ancestry the other day for a possible > service/pensions record for John Wilson. Then I got confused as to > whether I was looking for Frederick or John. > But I recall there is at least one John WILSON b. Liverpool 1874 [son > of William and a pension record I think]. He is probably not "your" > man, but look at the military records may help eliminate some of the > candidates. > Kind regards > John Henley Thank you John. I did look in the military records but I will have another look to be sure. -- Tickettyboo