wrote in message news:c00cecba-11bc-4805-a3c8-3e73550088f2@googlegroups.com... On Monday, February 21, 2000 1:00:00 AM UTC-7, Ken Conrick wrote: > I am reseraching the ancestors and decendants of John Bell and > Amelia > Nichol, married 28 July 1835, County Fife, Cupar, Scotland. Their > children > were William Bell 1837, Robert Nicoll Bell 1838, James Miln Bell > 1839, > Amelia Bell 1840, John Henry Bell 1842, Henry David Bell 1843, > Patrick Reid > Bell 1846, Douglas Murray Bell 1848. All were christened at Dundee, > Angus, > Scotland. > John Henry Bell and Patrick Reid Bell both came to Australia Hi: I'm not sure that this will help but I'm trying to find information about a John Bell of Cupar, Fife at this time who was a watchmaker -- do you know if your John was a watchmaker? paul Since you have their b.dates and middle names (it's not a rare surname) to help, it might be worth looking on Scotlands People for death certificates. It doesn't always work as it depends how much the person registering the death knew. Have you tried the census? The 1851 might help. BTW it's just Fife or the Kingdom of Fife. Lesley Robertson

"singhals" wrote in message news:mailman.2.1379107186.23963.genbrit@rootsweb.com... On the West coast of the pond, back in the 18th and 19th centuries, people's "marks" are frequently registered in a deed book where they live. Is that true on the East Coast of the pond? IOW -- I have a signature mark of a man in Maryland in the 1750s; I'd like to confirm/refute that he's the same person as a man of the same name in England earlier for whom I can find no signature. Is there some way to find the "mark" of the 2nd man? Thanks. Cheryl I've never seen it, Cheryl. In Scottish records, it's usually just a cross and the signature of a witness to say that A had made that mark. Lesley Robertson

Morning All My Gt Grandfather was Henry Keyworth, born C1851 in Caistor, Lincs Most family trees online show him as the son of Francis & Elizabeth (nee Gorbutt), in line with the 1861 census. However, the 1851 census has him listed as the grandson of Francis & Elizabeth.(4 months old) To me this is more compelling A birth registered in Caistor Oct 1850 for a Henry Keyworth lists a Fanny Keyworth as mother There is no record of Francis & Elizabeth having a daughter by that name (or Frances) The oldest daughter Was Mary b 1831 I have been assuming that Mary (maybe a second name as Frances) gave birth to Henry. She is listed as a servant in a nearby house on census nighwhich would explain why Henry was with grandparents. Then I concluded she left him with the Grandparents who raised him as their own Added research raises some other interesting info In the same house in the 1951 census was a Frances Gorbutt, Elizabeth's younger sister (15) Was she the mother of Henry?? and Francis and Elizabeth took him in as their own allowing their surname on the birth certificate to make it easier?? They also had a son George b 1836 He could have fathered a son (at least biologically speaking). He married a Frances Hall(Fanny) in 1864 who was born in 1832 A long time from birth of Henry( if they were the parents) with 8 other children listed after the wedding!! Living in Western Australia means access to records is restricted to online databases and I cannot afford to subscribe to the all. (Most info from Ancestry) Can anyone of the experts out there shed any light on this? I would really like to get past this brick wall Many thanks Phil -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. SPAMfighter has removed 199 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len Do you have a slow PC? Try a Free scan http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen

On Thu, 12 Sep 2013 14:42:28 -0400, singhals <singhals@erols.com> wrote: >On the West coast of the pond, back in the 18th and 19th >centuries, people's "marks" are frequently registered in a >deed book where they live. > >Is that true on the East Coast of the pond? IOW -- I have a >signature mark of a man in Maryland in the 1750s; I'd like >to confirm/refute that he's the same person as a man of the >same name in England earlier for whom I can find no >signature. Is there some way to find the "mark" of the 2nd man? As most of the "marks" are X, it would be difficult to tell. -- Steve Hayes Web: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com/ http://hayesgreene.blogspot.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/afgen/

On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 14:09:17 +0200, "Lesley Robertson" <l.a.robertson@tnw.tudelft.nl> wrote: >"singhals" wrote in message >news:mailman.2.1379107186.23963.genbrit@rootsweb.com... > >On the West coast of the pond, back in the 18th and 19th >centuries, people's "marks" are frequently registered in a >deed book where they live. > >Is that true on the East Coast of the pond? IOW -- I have a >signature mark of a man in Maryland in the 1750s; I'd like >to confirm/refute that he's the same person as a man of the >same name in England earlier for whom I can find no >signature. Is there some way to find the "mark" of the 2nd man? > >Thanks. > >Cheryl > >I've never seen it, Cheryl. In Scottish records, it's usually just a >cross and the signature of a witness to say that A had made that mark. >Lesley Robertson That's what I've seen in American colonial and early federal records as well--mostly wills and related matters. Some also have a hand-drawn rosette pattern labeled "seal" or "sealed." -- Don donsgenes@charter.net

On Saturday, September 14, 2013 5:52:14 AM UTC+1, One Eyed Phil wrote: > Morning All > > My Gt Grandfather was Henry Keyworth, born C1851 in Caistor, Lincs > > Most family trees online show him as the son of Francis & Elizabeth (nee > > Gorbutt), in line with the 1861 census. > > However, the 1851 census has him listed as the grandson of Francis & > > Elizabeth.(4 months old) To me this is more compelling > > > > A birth registered in Caistor Oct 1850 for a Henry Keyworth lists a > > Fanny Keyworth as mother > > There is no record of Francis & Elizabeth having a daughter by that name > > (or Frances) The oldest daughter Was Mary b 1831 > > I have been assuming that Mary (maybe a second name as Frances) gave > > birth to Henry. She is listed as a servant in a nearby house on census > > nighwhich would explain why Henry was with grandparents. Then I > > concluded she left him with the Grandparents who raised him as their own > > > > Added research raises some other interesting info > > > > In the same house in the 1951 census was a Frances Gorbutt, Elizabeth's > > younger sister (15) Was she the mother of Henry?? and Francis and > > Elizabeth took him in as their own allowing their surname on the birth > > certificate to make it easier?? > > > > They also had a son George b 1836 He could have fathered a son (at least > > biologically speaking). He married a Frances Hall(Fanny) in 1864 who was > > born in 1832 > > A long time from birth of Henry( if they were the parents) with 8 other > > children listed after the wedding!! > > > > Living in Western Australia means access to records is restricted to > > online databases and I cannot afford to subscribe to the all. (Most info > > from Ancestry) > > > > Can anyone of the experts out there shed any light on this? I would > > really like to get past this brick wall > > Many thanks > > Phil > > -- > > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > > SPAMfighter has removed 199 of my spam emails to date. > > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > > > Do you have a slow PC? Try a Free scan > > http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen Actual parish register page image states .. Ref: Lincolnshire Archives - CAISTOR PAR/1/11, p.35 Baptised 13 Jan 1851 Henry, son of Fanny Keyworth of Caistor, servant. Performed by H. Maclean. This was the only baptism on that day. The archives also have ...... Gorbutt family papers Reference Name MISC DEP 169 Summary: 1 Probates and a conveyance re Caistor (8 files), 1802-1907. 2 Correspondence (11 files), 1801-1809. 3 Small account book, c1878-1915. 4 Pedigree of Gorbutt of Caistor, and parish register extracts, 1619-1955. Extent: 21 files Date: (1619)-1955 and other Gorbutt items. Peter Haizelden Genealogist and Family Historian www.haizelden.co.uk

On Monday, February 21, 2000 1:00:00 AM UTC-7, Ken Conrick wrote: > I am reseraching the ancestors and decendants of John Bell and Amelia > Nichol, married 28 July 1835, County Fife, Cupar, Scotland. Their children > were William Bell 1837, Robert Nicoll Bell 1838, James Miln Bell 1839, > Amelia Bell 1840, John Henry Bell 1842, Henry David Bell 1843, Patrick Reid > Bell 1846, Douglas Murray Bell 1848. All were christened at Dundee, Angus, > Scotland. > John Henry Bell and Patrick Reid Bell both came to Australia Hi: I'm not sure that this will help but I'm trying to find information about a John Bell of Cupar, Fife at this time who was a watchmaker -- do you know if your John was a watchmaker? paul

On 02-09-2013 16:12, Chris Dickinson wrote: > Gordon Adshead wrote in reply to my: > > > >> At 21:29 01/09/2013, Chris Dickinson wrote: >>> There is an article in the online FT today that may interest some of you (see the subject headline). I don't know whether you can access this, as I am a subscriber: >>> http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/380c2bd4-116b-11e3-a14c-00144feabdc0.html?siteedition=uk#axzz2dfsPfWBo > >> You are right: that FT prefer you to pay or register. > >> However if you Google <scrapping the census> >> there are several free articles of relevance > > > > Drat. So, to summarise: > > > The headline is: > > "Internet survey could replace census. ONS looks at alternative data instead of once-a-decade questionnaire" > > A consultation by the ONS is to propose two options to replace the census. This, unlike a previous report, won't keep the existing arrangement. The two options are to be: an internet survey or a collation of alternative sources. > > Objections are that these options may not provide the existing richness of data ('granular data'), government may not be given enough information to formulate policy, and vulnerable groups may be most impacted. Any survey via internet has the disadvantage that it assumes everyone has some internet and wants to share via this medium their data. The old (not capable any more to learn new techniques) and the homeless are then forgotten (as well as the unwilling to use this way of sharing their info). Maybe I forgot some categories but those two are already enough to make it a bad idea. Richard -- Richard van Schaik f.m.a.vanschaikREMOVE@THISgmail.com http://www.fmavanschaik.nl/ The world is one big madhouse and this is main office.

On 02/09/2013 15:12, Chris Dickinson wrote: > Drat. So, to summarise: > > The headline is: > > "Internet survey could replace census. ONS looks at alternative data instead of once-a-decade questionnaire" > > A consultation by the ONS is to propose two options to replace the census. This, unlike a previous report, won't keep the existing arrangement. The two options are to be: an internet survey or a collation of alternative sources. > > Objections are that these options may not provide the existing richness of data ('granular data'), government may not be given enough information to formulate policy, and vulnerable groups may be most impacted. Couldn't they just ask the NSA? Jon -- SPAM BLOCK IN USE! Replace 'deadspam' with 'green-lines' to email me.

On Thu, 12 Sep 2013 09:44:38 +0100, Adrian Gray <grayadrian3@gmail.com> wrote: > I've been reminded today of a photo I have that I'd love to track down the > date and person concerned - I drew a blank some years ago, but fancy > another go. > > However I'm spectacularly rusty these days, years behind on what records > are available online/elsewhere, so I'd appreciate some advice before I add > it to my list of things to do this winter. > > The photograph can be viewed here (if I have the link right): > > http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww269/gray1721/FuneralCornwall.jpg > > The location is Mount Charles in Cornwall, the date is fairly certain to be > 1900-1914, and by the uniforms and double-brimmed shakos the dear departed > looks very likely to be a Post Office employee. > > So... Do I stand a cat's chance in hell of tracking it down, and if so > where might I look that I might not have thought of, or is newly available? > > Thanks! > > Adrian In a previous attempt, in this thread From: Adrian Gray <adrian.gray@path.ox.ac.uk> Subject: [ENG-CORNWALL-LISKEARD] Postman's (?) funeral, June 1911,Liskeard/St Austell? Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 19:29:39 +0100 you mentioned the date of June 1911. If the funeral was in June 1911 we can be fairly sure that the death was registered in the second quarter of 1911 FreeBMD gives 132 deaths in that quarter in the St Austell registration district If you remove all the females, and men over 75 or under 20, the number is considerably reduced. See if any of those left was a postal employee on the 1911 census. Does anyone know if Mount Charles is in the St Austell RD? Perhaps expand the age range, include the women, try adjacent districts -- Regards John

Adrian Gray <grayadrian3@gmail.com> wrote on Thu, 12 Sep 2013 at 09:44:38: >I've been reminded today of a photo I have that I'd love to track down the >date and person concerned - I drew a blank some years ago, but fancy >another go. > >However I'm spectacularly rusty these days, years behind on what records >are available online/elsewhere, so I'd appreciate some advice before I add >it to my list of things to do this winter. > >The photograph can be viewed here (if I have the link right): > >http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww269/gray1721/FuneralCornwall.jpg > >The location is Mount Charles in Cornwall, the date is fairly certain to be >1900-1914, and by the uniforms and double-brimmed shakos the dear departed >looks very likely to be a Post Office employee. > >So... Do I stand a cat's chance in hell of tracking it down, and if so >where might I look that I might not have thought of, or is newly available? The location seems to be Victoria Road, Mount Charles, St Austell, at the western end near the junction with Woodland Road, with the camera facing north east. A postcode of PL25 4QD gets you to the right area in say Google Maps and Streetview, as per <http://goo.gl/maps/dsDvO>. The tall roof in the top right of the photo could be Mount Charles Methodist Church. They might be walking towards "Watering Hill" cemetery between Alexandra Road and Eastbourne Road. Equally they could turn along Woodland Road to Saint Augustine of Hippo Catholic Church, or further into the centre of St Austell to one of several other churches. The prominent 3-storey house in the photo might be called Morwenna, going by the 1907 map, 1:2,500 scale, at <http://www.old-maps.co.uk/maps.html>. The sun is quite high and due west, which suggests a mid-summer afternoon. You might try the Online Parish Clerk for St Austell at <http://www.cornwall-opc.org/Par_new/a_d/austell_st.php> HTH, -- Tony

On 12/09/2013 09:44, Adrian Gray wrote: > I've been reminded today of a photo I have that I'd love to track down the > date and person concerned - I drew a blank some years ago, but fancy > another go. > > However I'm spectacularly rusty these days, years behind on what records > are available online/elsewhere, so I'd appreciate some advice before I add > it to my list of things to do this winter. > > The photograph can be viewed here (if I have the link right): > > http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww269/gray1721/FuneralCornwall.jpg > > The location is Mount Charles in Cornwall, the date is fairly certain to be > 1900-1914, and by the uniforms and double-brimmed shakos the dear departed > looks very likely to be a Post Office employee. > > So... Do I stand a cat's chance in hell of tracking it down, and if so > where might I look that I might not have thought of, or is newly available? > You've tried the local Cornish papers? -- Graeme Wall This account not read, substitute trains for rail. Railway Miscellany at <http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail>

Adrian Gray wrote: > I've been reminded today of a photo I have that I'd love to track down the > date and person concerned - I drew a blank some years ago, but fancy > another go. %>< > > The location is Mount Charles in Cornwall, the date is fairly certain to be > 1900-1914, and by the uniforms and double-brimmed shakos the dear departed > looks very likely to be a Post Office employee. > > So... Do I stand a cat's chance in hell of tracking it down, and if so > where might I look that I might not have thought of, or is newly available? Local paper? -- Ian The Hotmail address is my spam-bin. Real mail address is iang at austonley org uk

On the West coast of the pond, back in the 18th and 19th centuries, people's "marks" are frequently registered in a deed book where they live. Is that true on the East Coast of the pond? IOW -- I have a signature mark of a man in Maryland in the 1750s; I'd like to confirm/refute that he's the same person as a man of the same name in England earlier for whom I can find no signature. Is there some way to find the "mark" of the 2nd man? Thanks. Cheryl

I've been reminded today of a photo I have that I'd love to track down the date and person concerned - I drew a blank some years ago, but fancy another go. However I'm spectacularly rusty these days, years behind on what records are available online/elsewhere, so I'd appreciate some advice before I add it to my list of things to do this winter. The photograph can be viewed here (if I have the link right): http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww269/gray1721/FuneralCornwall.jpg The location is Mount Charles in Cornwall, the date is fairly certain to be 1900-1914, and by the uniforms and double-brimmed shakos the dear departed looks very likely to be a Post Office employee. So... Do I stand a cat's chance in hell of tracking it down, and if so where might I look that I might not have thought of, or is newly available? Thanks! Adrian

On Sun, 8 Sep 2013 13:33:42 +0100, Tim Powys-Lybbe <tim@powys.org> wrote: >On 8 Sep at 11:53, Peter Haizelden <webmaster@haizelden.co.uk> wrote: > ><snip for brevity> > >> BTW no year of death is given in the Australian Death Index. > >So he probably died after 1982 as they don't display deaths within the >last thirty years. Maybe not. Peter's post included; > Registration number: 4455/75 My reading of this shows the death was registered in 1975. Whilst the WA on-line death indexes at http://www.bdm.dotag.wa.gov.au/_apps/pioneersindex/default.aspx only go to 1971 a search of the WA Metropolitian Cemeteries Board at http://www.mcb.wa.gov.au/Index.aspx shows William Ernest Byers McLellan is shown as having died 12 Nov 1975 age 73 and was cremated. -- Robert G. Eldridge Toronto NSW Australia http://www.eldridgegenealogy.org Now researching ELDRIDGE families world wide 1000s at my Web site *Wanted* Any Eldridge related information This newsgroup post is not an invitation to reply by email.

Tickettyboo wrote on 10 sep 2013 in soc.genealogy.britain: > Thanks to Evertjan and Anne who I think both got it spot on. > Now can anyone explain, why, when I have looked at it for ages, it > seems obvious when someone else points out what it says :-) Because I, knowing little about early British taxing or handwriting, and probably the same goes for Anne, presuming from her previous methods, started by searching "Google Books" for: "Surveyor of * taxes" [The * standing for one or more words] <https://www.google.nl/search?q="Surveyor+of+*+taxes"&tbm=bks> -- Evertjan. The Netherlands. (Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)

Tickettyboo wrote: > https://www.dropbox.com/sh/vhulyfnsgg3z2v5/2jG0Q-Xuj8 > > or for those with access, the original is on ancestry: http://tinyurl.com/pqfd8ej > Its a note in a register of births, Tuthill Baptist Chapel, Newcastle upon Tyne. Robert Hebron was attested to > have been born on 21 Dec 1790. > > I can make out the following: > A copy of this register was sent to [*] , when R.H. applied for the situation of Surveyor of [*} taxes; it > was sent down to me to prove whether correct, and answer being given in the affirmative it was returned to the > Board, admitted, and the young man obtained the situation. > > The two words I am unsure about are the place the register was sent to (I am wavering between Durham and > London, though it could be somewhere totally different !) and the sort of taxes he wished to be a Surveyor for. > > Any help appreciated. > Thanks > assessed taxes -- Anne Chambers South Australia anne dot chambers at bigpond dot com

Tickettyboo wrote: > https://www.dropbox.com/sh/vhulyfnsgg3z2v5/2jG0Q-Xuj8 > > or for those with access, the original is on ancestry: http://tinyurl.com/pqfd8ej > Its a note in a register of births, Tuthill Baptist Chapel, Newcastle upon Tyne. Robert Hebron was attested to > have been born on 21 Dec 1790. > > I can make out the following: > A copy of this register was sent to [*] , when R.H. applied for the situation of Surveyor of [*} taxes; it > was sent down to me to prove whether correct, and answer being given in the affirmative it was returned to the > Board, admitted, and the young man obtained the situation. > > The two words I am unsure about are the place the register was sent to (I am wavering between Durham and > London, though it could be somewhere totally different !) and the sort of taxes he wished to be a Surveyor for. > > Any help appreciated. > Thanks > London Assessed ? -- Anne Chambers South Australia anne dot chambers at bigpond dot com

On 2013-09-09 22:36:09 +0000, Evertjan. said: > Tickettyboo wrote on 10 sep 2013 in soc.genealogy.britain: > >> I can make out the following: >> A copy of this register was sent to [*] , when R.H. applied for the > > ... was sent to London, ... > >> situation of Surveyor of [*} taxes; it was sent down to me to prove > > ... of surveyor of assessed taxes; > >> whether correct, and answer being given in the affirmative it was >> returned to the Board, admitted, and the young man obtained the >> situation. >> >> The two words I am unsure about are the place the register was sent to >> (I am wavering between Durham and London, though it could be somewhere >> totally different !) and the sort of taxes he wished to be a Surveyor >> for. > > <http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/assessment-of-tax.html> Thanks to Evertjan and Anne who I think both got it spot on. Now can anyone explain, why, when I have looked at it for ages, it seems obvious when someone else points out what it says :-) -- Tickettyboo