On 06/01/2015 10:48, Geoff Pearson via wrote: > This chap lived in my house, here in Edinburgh, with his parents and aunts, > from 1897-1906, at > least. The Wikipedia article contains a lot of info but does anyone know > more about him - who he married and was there a child? Did he just live in > India or, as some suggest, he lived in London? > > I've been all over Ancestry, Scotland's People, and the internet and I've > sent an email to the current Director of the Geological Survey of India. > But chums here often have a clever idea. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Heron > > Geoff > There is a death notice in the Times, 10 feb 1971 p.24: "On January 29th, 1971, in Coonoor, Nilgiris, India, Alexander Macmillan Heron, aged 86, late Geological Survey of India, much loved husband of Margaret and father of Marjorie." Chris Pitt Lewis --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

"MB" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] > On 06/01/2015 10:48, Geoff Pearson wrote: >> This chap lived in my house, here in Edinburgh, with his parents and >> aunts, from 1897-1906, at >> least. The Wikipedia article contains a lot of info but does anyone know >> more about him - who he married and was there a child? Did he just live >> in >> India or, as some suggest, he lived in London? >> >> I've been all over Ancestry, Scotland's People, and the internet and >> I've sent an email to the current Director of the Geological Survey of >> India. But chums here often have a clever idea. >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Heron >> >> Geoff >> >> > > > Have you tried FIBIS for the Indian connection? Not yet - Families in British India Society - it's on my list now. Thanks.

On 06/01/2015 10:48, Geoff Pearson wrote: > This chap lived in my house, here in Edinburgh, with his parents and > aunts, from 1897-1906, at > least. The Wikipedia article contains a lot of info but does anyone know > more about him - who he married and was there a child? Did he just live in > India or, as some suggest, he lived in London? > > I've been all over Ancestry, Scotland's People, and the internet and > I've sent an email to the current Director of the Geological Survey of > India. But chums here often have a clever idea. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Heron > > Geoff > > Have you tried FIBIS for the Indian connection?

This chap lived in my house, here in Edinburgh, with his parents and aunts, from 1897-1906, at least. The Wikipedia article contains a lot of info but does anyone know more about him - who he married and was there a child? Did he just live in India or, as some suggest, he lived in London? I've been all over Ancestry, Scotland's People, and the internet and I've sent an email to the current Director of the Geological Survey of India. But chums here often have a clever idea. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Heron Geoff

Forwarded from the Archives-nra list, with Peter Kurilecz's permission. Wendy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: PeterK Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 4:53 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Historic York archives open in new £2m home Today the York Explore Library Learning Centre opens its new £2.1m flagship service in the city centre including a store and reading room for the archive, as well as a refurbished local history library and family history centre. The building has also undergone essential repairs and conservation to its original parquet floor and slate roof and other works. The city’s internationally-important archive was previously housed in overcrowded and damp rooms at York Art Gallery. The conditions placed historic documents, including the city’s first charter dated 1155 and its letter of condolence after the death of King Richard III, at risk. http://bit.ly/1BqOXmr http://bit.ly/1BqOXmr+ -- Peterk Dallas, Tx

I am researching the lives of those born deaf in the 1840's for my dissertation and I am looking for examples. I am interested in all aspects of their lives in particular how they were brought up and who by, did they have deaf parents or siblings, their education and occupation, who did they marry and did they have deaf children. If you have someone like this in your family tree, I would be interested to know about them and their background. I am working my way through the 1851 census returns but known examples will be useful. Please email me off list if you have any information.

On 2015-01-04 18:57:52 +0000, brightside S9 said: >> Do you have access to the image for the passenger list? I just looked >> at the image. It says that they are returned Canadians (stamped , far >> right) and it also says that Violet was born in Canada. > > > Yes I can and I now I find more details. > > Outgoing 8/10/1912 Frank, Minnie and Norman > Incoming 31/8/1915 Frank, Minnie, Norman and Violet > Outgoing 11/5/1921 Frank, Nellie, Norman, Violet and Douglas. You said you don't have world access so I looked at voters lists for you, they are a bit hit and miss, even though they were at the same address from 1949 to 1972 some years there is just nothing coming up in the search. These are the ones I found: 1949 Lenton Frank, builder Lenton Mrs Frank, M.W. [married woman] 1958 & 1962 Lenton Frank V, contractor Lenton Mrs Nellie B Lenton Miss Margaret, buyer 1963 Lenton Frank, builder Lenton Mrs Nellie Lenton Miss Margaret, purchaser 1968 Lenton Mrs Nellie Lenton Miss Margaret, purchaser 1972 Lenton Nellie Lenton Margaret, purchaser all at 48 Patricia Ave, North York, Ontario I'd guess (though its not writ in stone) that Frank died sometime between 1963 and 1968 and it looks like Nellie was still around in 1972. It also would appear that they may have had at least one more child than you already knew about. -- Tickettyboo

"ecunningham" wrote in message news:[email protected] Norfolkman wrote: > Before I fork out a few £10s, do I get actual copies of the originals or > transcriptions of the salient points. Geoff: Did you manage to get registered? Been waiting two days for secret sign-on message (VBG). Guess UK computers don't work on holiday weekends or haven't recovered from New Year's Eve! OR, more interesting, is access restricted to UK e-mails only? [email protected] Signed up. found a will and ordered it within 15 minutes. No problem, Geoff

On 2015-01-04 18:57:52 +0000, brightside S9 said: > On Sun, 4 Jan 2015 17:54:47 +0000, Tickettyboo > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On 2015-01-04 17:07:15 +0000, Tickettyboo said: >> >>>> The UK outward bound passenger list search, all exact: >>>> Foreneme: Douglas >>>> Surname: Lenton >>>> Birth: 1919 +/- 0 >>>> Place of birth: England >>>> >>>> 3 hits, the first is his birth, 2nd maybe his death, but I am not >>>> concerned about that just yet, the 3rd is the outwars bound passenger >>>> list. The family is next to the bottom on this page list. >>>> >>>> Here is listed the father Frank Lenton >>>> The father's wife Nellie (she is his second wife. Minnie Ellen died >>>> GRO 1919 MAR Portsmouth 2b 932 and Frank married again >>>> GRO 1921 JUN Kensington 1a 271 to Nellie Beatrice Wright). >>>> and *three* children - Norman, Violet and Douglas. >>>> >>>> I cannot find a (UK) birth registration for Violet. Anyone care to >>>> help? >> >> Do you have access to the image for the passenger list? I just looked >> at the image. It says that they are returned Canadians (stamped , far >> right) and it also says that Violet was born in Canada. > > > Yes I can and I now I find more details. > > Outgoing 8/10/1912 Frank, Minnie and Norman > Incoming 31/8/1915 Frank, Minnie, Norman and Violet > Outgoing 11/5/1921 Frank, Nellie, Norman, Violet and Douglas. > > And more possible trips for some of them at later date. Those > possibilities require further investigation. > > Once again Tickettyboo you have solved the problem. > Many many thanks. Just wish I had seen geoff's post earlier, I felt a bit daft suggesting you look for an incoming list when (after I refreshed the group) I saw he had found one almost an hour earlier :-) As an aside, I sent an image to your reply to address a few days ago. Did you get it? -- Tickettyboo

On 2015-01-04 17:07:15 +0000, Tickettyboo said: >> The UK outward bound passenger list search, all exact: >> Foreneme: Douglas >> Surname: Lenton >> Birth: 1919 +/- 0 >> Place of birth: England >> >> 3 hits, the first is his birth, 2nd maybe his death, but I am not >> concerned about that just yet, the 3rd is the outwars bound passenger >> list. The family is next to the bottom on this page list. >> >> Here is listed the father Frank Lenton >> The father's wife Nellie (she is his second wife. Minnie Ellen died >> GRO 1919 MAR Portsmouth 2b 932 and Frank married again >> GRO 1921 JUN Kensington 1a 271 to Nellie Beatrice Wright). >> and *three* children - Norman, Violet and Douglas. >> >> I cannot find a (UK) birth registration for Violet. Anyone care to >> help? Do you have access to the image for the passenger list? I just looked at the image. It says that they are returned Canadians (stamped , far right) and it also says that Violet was born in Canada. -- Tickettyboo

On 04/01/2015 2:37 PM, brightside S9 via wrote: > I have mother and father Frank Victor Lenton and Minnie Ellen Drake, > married GRO 1911 DEC Portsmouth 2b 1279 . > > I have found two children - Norman F V Lenton b1912 > GRO 1912 SEP Portsmouth 2b 748 > and Douglas J Lenton b 1919 > GRO 1919 MAR Portsmouth 2b 715 > > FreeBMD finds them with search 1912 to 1919 surname Lenton, mother's > surname Drake. > > Looking for later information on these children reveals that the > family emigrated to Canada 11/5/1921 on the Corsican, Canadian > Pacific Line. > > The UK outward bound passenger list search, all exact: > Foreneme: Douglas > Surname: Lenton > Birth: 1919 +/- 0 > Place of birth: England > > 3 hits, the first is his birth, 2nd maybe his death, but I am not > concerned about that just yet, the 3rd is the outwars bound passenger > list. The family is next to the bottom on this page list. > > Here is listed the father Frank Lenton > The father's wife Nellie (she is his second wife. Minnie Ellen died > GRO 1919 MAR Portsmouth 2b 932 and Frank married again > GRO 1921 JUN Kensington 1a 271 to Nellie Beatrice Wright). > and *three* children - Norman, Violet and Douglas. > > I cannot find a (UK) birth registration for Violet. Anyone care to > help? Is she the daughter of the second wife... therefore born WRIGHT? Regards John Henley > > [ I can find them in 1921 Canadian census, living in Toronto North. > Here Violet's year of birth is given as about 1915, but I don't have > a worldwide sub to Ancestry and can see no further info. At the moment > I am interested in her UK birth details]. >

On 2015-01-04 14:37:54 +0000, brightside S9 said: > I have mother and father Frank Victor Lenton and Minnie Ellen Drake, > married GRO 1911 DEC Portsmouth 2b 1279 . > > I have found two children - Norman F V Lenton b1912 > GRO 1912 SEP Portsmouth 2b 748 > and Douglas J Lenton b 1919 > GRO 1919 MAR Portsmouth 2b 715 > > FreeBMD finds them with search 1912 to 1919 surname Lenton, mother's > surname Drake. > > Looking for later information on these children reveals that the > family emigrated to Canada 11/5/1921 on the Corsican, Canadian > Pacific Line. > > The UK outward bound passenger list search, all exact: > Foreneme: Douglas > Surname: Lenton > Birth: 1919 +/- 0 > Place of birth: England > > 3 hits, the first is his birth, 2nd maybe his death, but I am not > concerned about that just yet, the 3rd is the outwars bound passenger > list. The family is next to the bottom on this page list. > > Here is listed the father Frank Lenton > The father's wife Nellie (she is his second wife. Minnie Ellen died > GRO 1919 MAR Portsmouth 2b 932 and Frank married again > GRO 1921 JUN Kensington 1a 271 to Nellie Beatrice Wright). > and *three* children - Norman, Violet and Douglas. > > I cannot find a (UK) birth registration for Violet. Anyone care to > help? > > [ I can find them in 1921 Canadian census, living in Toronto North. > Here Violet's year of birth is given as about 1915, but I don't have > a worldwide sub to Ancestry and can see no further info. At the moment > I am interested in her UK birth details]. Can't see a likely birth reg in the UK for Violet Lenton. What do you know about Nellie Beatrice? its possible Violet was 'her' child, either illegitimate or from an earlier marriage? and this 'could' explain why we can't find a birth reg? 6th Census of Canada 1921 Province: Ontario District No: 132 Enumeration Sub District : No 65 in: Toronto North (Ward 5) Page: 12 Line 15 Dwelling Number: 122 Household Number: 134 Name: Lenton Frank (transcribed as "Grady”, good old ancestry!) Place of Abode: 230 Beacon Ave Ward 5 Own or Rent : O Monthly Rental: appears to say BB Class of House : T Construction Materials : B Rooms Occupied : 6 Relation to Head: Head Sex: M Marital Status: M Age: 33 Birth Place: England Father’s Birth Place: England Mother’s Birth Place: England Year Immigrated: 1921 Nationality: Canada Race or Tribe: English Speaks English: Yes Speaks French: No Language other than English or French: X Religion: Methodist Can Read: Yes Can Write: Yes Months at School: X Occupation: None Employment Type : 4 Nature of Work: B Income: X Out of Work: X Unemployed: X Illness/Unemployed: - Wife Nelly Beatrice, age 31, no occupation Son Norman, age 9, scholar Son Douglas, age 2 They are all born England, immigrated 1921, religion Methodist Daughter: Violet, age 6, born Ontario. immigration year was written as 1921 and then crossed out It may be worth looking for an incoming passenger list to the UK for Violet (not sure what surname you'd look for) prior to when this family went to Canada in 1921. -- Tickettyboo

Norfolkman wrote: > Before I fork out a few £10s, do I get actual copies of the originals or transcriptions of the salient points. Geoff: Did you manage to get registered? Been waiting two days for secret sign-on message (VBG). Guess UK computers don't work on holiday weekends or haven't recovered from New Year's Eve! OR, more interesting, is access restricted to UK e-mails only? [email protected]

Hi All Anyone researching this family / place / time pls I (or my uncle) can trace a direct line from Honor Blythe/Thomas Howlett to myself, But have not got any detail prior to them (<1800) or outwards from that direct line

Violet arrived from Montreal Canada aged 8 monthson the ship "Corsica" and docked at Liverpool 31/8/1915. She was with Frank, Minnie & Norman I presume that she was therefore born in Canadain 1914. I have full access to Ancestry but cant find a birth there yet. The record above is from: UK incoming passenger list 1878 - 1960 Hope this helps Geoff On Sunday, January 4, 2015 2:38:13 PM UTC, brightside S9 wrote: > I have mother and father Frank Victor Lenton and Minnie Ellen Drake, > married GRO 1911 DEC Portsmouth 2b 1279 . > > I have found two children - Norman F V Lenton b1912 > GRO 1912 SEP Portsmouth 2b 748 > and Douglas J Lenton b 1919 > GRO 1919 MAR Portsmouth 2b 715 > > FreeBMD finds them with search 1912 to 1919 surname Lenton, mother's > surname Drake. > > Looking for later information on these children reveals that the > family emigrated to Canada 11/5/1921 on the Corsican, Canadian > Pacific Line. > > The UK outward bound passenger list search, all exact: > Foreneme: Douglas > Surname: Lenton > Birth: 1919 +/- 0 > Place of birth: England > > 3 hits, the first is his birth, 2nd maybe his death, but I am not > concerned about that just yet, the 3rd is the outwars bound passenger > list. The family is next to the bottom on this page list. > > Here is listed the father Frank Lenton > The father's wife Nellie (she is his second wife. Minnie Ellen died > GRO 1919 MAR Portsmouth 2b 932 and Frank married again > GRO 1921 JUN Kensington 1a 271 to Nellie Beatrice Wright). > and *three* children - Norman, Violet and Douglas. > > I cannot find a (UK) birth registration for Violet. Anyone care to > help? > > [ I can find them in 1921 Canadian census, living in Toronto North. > Here Violet's year of birth is given as about 1915, but I don't have > a worldwide sub to Ancestry and can see no further info. At the moment > I am interested in her UK birth details]. > > -- > brightside S9 On Sunday, January 4, 2015 2:38:13 PM UTC, brightside S9 wrote: > I have mother and father Frank Victor Lenton and Minnie Ellen Drake, > married GRO 1911 DEC Portsmouth 2b 1279 . > > I have found two children - Norman F V Lenton b1912 > GRO 1912 SEP Portsmouth 2b 748 > and Douglas J Lenton b 1919 > GRO 1919 MAR Portsmouth 2b 715 > > FreeBMD finds them with search 1912 to 1919 surname Lenton, mother's > surname Drake. > > Looking for later information on these children reveals that the > family emigrated to Canada 11/5/1921 on the Corsican, Canadian > Pacific Line. > > The UK outward bound passenger list search, all exact: > Foreneme: Douglas > Surname: Lenton > Birth: 1919 +/- 0 > Place of birth: England > > 3 hits, the first is his birth, 2nd maybe his death, but I am not > concerned about that just yet, the 3rd is the outwars bound passenger > list. The family is next to the bottom on this page list. > > Here is listed the father Frank Lenton > The father's wife Nellie (she is his second wife. Minnie Ellen died > GRO 1919 MAR Portsmouth 2b 932 and Frank married again > GRO 1921 JUN Kensington 1a 271 to Nellie Beatrice Wright). > and *three* children - Norman, Violet and Douglas. > > I cannot find a (UK) birth registration for Violet. Anyone care to > help? > > [ I can find them in 1921 Canadian census, living in Toronto North. > Here Violet's year of birth is given as about 1915, but I don't have > a worldwide sub to Ancestry and can see no further info. At the moment > I am interested in her UK birth details]. > > -- > brightside S9 On Sunday, January 4, 2015 2:38:13 PM UTC, brightside S9 wrote: > I have mother and father Frank Victor Lenton and Minnie Ellen Drake, > married GRO 1911 DEC Portsmouth 2b 1279 . > > I have found two children - Norman F V Lenton b1912 > GRO 1912 SEP Portsmouth 2b 748 > and Douglas J Lenton b 1919 > GRO 1919 MAR Portsmouth 2b 715 > > FreeBMD finds them with search 1912 to 1919 surname Lenton, mother's > surname Drake. > > Looking for later information on these children reveals that the > family emigrated to Canada 11/5/1921 on the Corsican, Canadian > Pacific Line. > > The UK outward bound passenger list search, all exact: > Foreneme: Douglas > Surname: Lenton > Birth: 1919 +/- 0 > Place of birth: England > > 3 hits, the first is his birth, 2nd maybe his death, but I am not > concerned about that just yet, the 3rd is the outwars bound passenger > list. The family is next to the bottom on this page list. > > Here is listed the father Frank Lenton > The father's wife Nellie (she is his second wife. Minnie Ellen died > GRO 1919 MAR Portsmouth 2b 932 and Frank married again > GRO 1921 JUN Kensington 1a 271 to Nellie Beatrice Wright). > and *three* children - Norman, Violet and Douglas. > > I cannot find a (UK) birth registration for Violet. Anyone care to > help? > > [ I can find them in 1921 Canadian census, living in Toronto North. > Here Violet's year of birth is given as about 1915, but I don't have > a worldwide sub to Ancestry and can see no further info. At the moment > I am interested in her UK birth details]. > > -- > brightside S9

Before I fork out a few £10s, do I get actual copies of the originals or transcriptions of the salient points. Thks., Geoff

On Thu, 01 Jan 2015 12:45:56 +0000, cecilia wrote: > Path: border1.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news.mixmin.net!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail > From: cecilia <[email protected]> > Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.britain > Subject: Re: Gorleston > Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2015 12:45:56 +0000 > Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server > Lines: 8 > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > NNTP-Posting-Host: ETjOZmt1BRKZ0Cyc93qGvw.user.speranza.aioe.org > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Complaints-To: [email protected] > X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 > X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 3.3/32.846 > Bytes: 1266 > Xref: number.nntp.giganews.com soc.genealogy.britain:469120 > > On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 13:47:50 -0000, "Gordon" <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>[...] Also they may have chosen >>to have their number withheld which means that it will not be given out by >>phone directories etc [...] > > An increasingly common choice in England. And Scotland - and possibly also Wales and NI -- Terry Wells

On 01/01/2015 12:45, cecilia wrote: > On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 13:47:50 -0000, "Gordon" <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> [...] Also they may have chosen >> to have their number withheld which means that it will not be given out by >> phone directories etc [...] > > An increasingly common choice in England. This leads us to an intriguing point. With the almost-universality of mobile phones, landlines are rapidly becoming about as relevant as fax machines. The copper (or fibre) connection to the home will soon be, for most people, only there for data. And with the slow demise of the landline telephone, that of directories, too. Genealogists of the future will rue the end of residential telephone directories. The electoral roll records will also become more and more limited, as more people elect (pun intended) to opt out of publication of their address. If Census records' availability will always have stopped at 1911, that closes another source of geographical information. This century, and not far into it, will mark the point where addresses became far more difficult to trace for historians to come, despite the prevalence of computer records. What will they use instead? Will Facebook, Twitter and their successors maintain records, and make them available for researchers after their data subjects have passed away? Interesting times. Jon -- Maintainer, soc.genealogy.britain FAQs: www.genealogy-britain.org.uk *** WATCH OUT FOR THE SPAM BLOCK! *** Replace 'deadspam' with 'green-lines' to reply in email!

On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 13:47:50 -0000, "Gordon" <[email protected]> wrote: >[...] Also they may have chosen >to have their number withheld which means that it will not be given out by >phone directories etc [...] An increasingly common choice in England.

01XMAS, also ending 4th January, gives you your first month for £1, and is an offer that occurs fairly often. If only I had a month without anything else to do! Chris