Anne Chambers wrote: > John Watt wrote: >> I put you all on to a wrong path ! The fellow I'm looking for was actually PERCY EDWARD WARNE who was born >> 19 Jul 1899 at 1 North Terrace, Worthing, SSX, ENG. >> >> What I can't find anywhere is his death or marriage date/spouse, please? >> > Try Indian records - Ancestry's Incoming Passengers to the UK Records show: > Percy Edward Warne 24 abt 1899 3 Nov 1923 Australia London, England > Percy Edward Warne 31 abt 1899 15 May 1930 Yokohama, Japan London, England > > In each case his occupation is shown as "Planter" and in the 1923 record, his residence is given as "India" > This might be of interest too http://indiankanoon.org/doc/1676332/ and it looks as though his service record is at the National Archives http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/Details/AssetMain?iaid=C12719651 -- Anne Chambers South Australia anne dot chambers at bigpond dot com

John Watt wrote: > I put you all on to a wrong path ! The fellow I'm looking for was actually PERCY EDWARD WARNE who was born 19 Jul 1899 at 1 North Terrace, Worthing, SSX, ENG. > > What I can't find anywhere is his death or marriage date/spouse, please? > Try Indian records - Ancestry's Incoming Passengers to the UK Records show: Percy Edward Warne 24 abt 1899 3 Nov 1923 Australia London, England Percy Edward Warne 31 abt 1899 15 May 1930 Yokohama, Japan London, England In each case his occupation is shown as "Planter" and in the 1923 record, his residence is given as "India" -- Anne Chambers South Australia anne dot chambers at bigpond dot com

Tony, I used the feedback link to report an issue with download - they responded the next day and attached my will. Regards, Pauline > On 14 Jan 2015, at 8:03 pm, Tony Proctor via <[email protected]> wrote: > > > "Norfolkman" <[email protected]> wrote in message > news:[email protected] > Before I fork out a few ｣10s, do I get actual copies of the originals or > transcriptions of the salient points. > > Thks., > > Geoff > > > > > I've ordered several of these, but only one is currently available for > download. A further two claim to be available but no download link is > showing for them. Hence I can never download them. > > Has anyone else had problems like this? Anyone know of a good way to report > such problems, other than by the generic "beta feedback" link? > > Tony Proctor > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Find My Past have a passenger list record for Percy and Aileen Warne leaving Liverpool aboard the OXFORDSHIRE heading to Cochin, India on 8 May 1935. They are recorded as being husband and wife with an address in Dublin. He is aged 35 (bn abt 1900) and Planter she is aged 30. If this is your Percy perhaps he married in Ireland.

On Wed, 14 Jan 2015 16:03:41 -0800 (PST), John Watt <[email protected]> wrote: >I put you all on to a wrong path ! The fellow I'm looking for was actually >PERCY EDWARD WARNE who was born 19 Jul 1899 at 1 North Terrace, Worthing, SSX, ENG. > >What I can't find anywhere is his death or marriage date/spouse, please? > The three 1920s/1930s passenger lists to or from the Far East which show a man with an age match to him as a planter/tea planter don't have any hint of him being married. Unless he's lived well over 100 then it doesn't look like he died in England and Wales but you could try putting his name (without the middle name/initial ?) into :- https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills in case he left estate in England and Wales. If he did then the index entry should say where he died. There is no match in the deaths index for Scotland. Unfortunately the modern PRFD indexes have comparatively minimal information about the deceased's marital status or the identity of the executor but you could also try the London Gazette (https://www.thegazette.co.uk/) between date of death and date of probate in case there is a statutary notice for either of them. There is another man of the same name born in West Ham (died 1976 in Worthing registration district) but someone else has already got him tied to Gladys Florence BUCKLAND for which there is a 1937 marriage in Croydon which matches. He has possibly remarried in 1965 to Joan E HENDRICK (if that is not actually your man). A possible match for that wife might be :- England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 Death, Burial, Cemetery & Obituaries Name: Joan Elizabeth Warne Birth: 8 Apr 1921 Death: Mar 1988 - Surrey Northern, Surrey, England Wills index entry :- WARNE Joan Elizabeth, 32 Bruce Ave Shepperton Middx** died 22 March 1988 Not exceeding 70,000 ** postal address, administrative county Surrey.

On Thursday, 15 January 2015 10:03:43 UTC+10, John Watt wrote: > I put you all on to a wrong path ! The fellow I'm looking for was actually PERCY EDWARD WARNE who was born 19 Jul 1899 at 1 North Terrace, Worthing, SSX, ENG. > > What I can't find anywhere is his death or marriage date/spouse, please? Thanks very much to all who replied to my query. Lots to follow up on, so I'll be back !

On Wednesday, 14 January 2015 15:49:26 UTC+10, Charles Ellson wrote: > On Tue, 13 Jan 2015 19:46:27 -0800 (PST), John Watt > <[email protected]> wrote: > > >Percy was born 30 April 1892 in Brighton. I know that he served as an officer > >in WW1 in the then new Royal Flying Corp. Family lore says that he > >married an Irish girl, but WHO and WHERE ? Can anyone help, please > >??? > > > The closest to Brighton looks like a marriage to > Norah ATKIN, Surrey SE, MAR 1938 > BUT if he was in France and married in a local church then there might > only be French records for such a marriage. Otherwise there are about > ten other marriages including his middle initial in England and Wales > from 1913 to 1934. There is a 1938 marriage in Medway district to a > Mary G MOOREY but she seems to have a matching birth index entry there > in 1910 and a 1911 census entry with no hint of Ireland in the family. > > There is no match for his name (with or without the H) in the Irish > marriage indexes. > > Do you know who registered his death ? On Wednesday, 14 January 2015 15:49:26 UTC+10, Charles Ellson wrote: > On Tue, 13 Jan 2015 19:46:27 -0800 (PST), John Watt > <[email protected]> wrote: > > >Percy was born 30 April 1892 in Brighton. I know that he served as an officer > >in WW1 in the then new Royal Flying Corp. Family lore says that he > >married an Irish girl, but WHO and WHERE ? Can anyone help, please > >??? > > > The closest to Brighton looks like a marriage to > Norah ATKIN, Surrey SE, MAR 1938 > BUT if he was in France and married in a local church then there might > only be French records for such a marriage. Otherwise there are about > ten other marriages including his middle initial in England and Wales > from 1913 to 1934. There is a 1938 marriage in Medway district to a > Mary G MOOREY but she seems to have a matching birth index entry there > in 1910 and a 1911 census entry with no hint of Ireland in the family. > > There is no match for his name (with or without the H) in the Irish > marriage indexes. > > Do you know who registered his death ? No, I'm sorry, I don't know any more than that about him (his marriage/children/death). So anything provable at all will be most welcome

I put you all on to a wrong path ! The fellow I'm looking for was actually PERCY EDWARD WARNE who was born 19 Jul 1899 at 1 North Terrace, Worthing, SSX, ENG. What I can't find anywhere is his death or marriage date/spouse, please?

"Norfolkman" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] Before I fork out a few £10s, do I get actual copies of the originals or transcriptions of the salient points. Thks., Geoff I've ordered several of these, but only one is currently available for download. A further two claim to be available but no download link is showing for them. Hence I can never download them. Has anyone else had problems like this? Anyone know of a good way to report such problems, other than by the generic "beta feedback" link? Tony Proctor

On 13/01/2015 22:13, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: > In message <[email protected]>, Graeme Wall > <[email protected]> writes: >> On 12/01/2015 17:59, Richard Smith wrote: > [] >>> Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you. Are you saying that you don't think >>> Churchyates means Church Street because of the spelling? If so, I >>> disagree. I grew up in a small village in the Yorkshire Moors -- >>> admittedly some distance northeast of Almondbury -- and the older >>> generation of locals sometimes used the word "gate" for a street. It >>> was always pronounced "yat", rhyming with "cat", but with a "y" sound >>> of "yes". The village of Chop Gate was the same: traditionally >>> pronounced something like chupyat. >>> >> >> Derived from the Viking word for a street. >> >> > Yes, certainly evident in the name of many streets in many northern > towns (e. g. Newcastle has several); it does _not_ relate to the modern > meaning of gate as a doorway/entrance, but the whole length is called > x-gate. (I'm not sure about "Newgate Street" - that may after all be > after a new gate, but could also just be a bit of tautology. Especially > as I've often heard it referred to without the "Street" part.) If you mean the one in London, I believe it is the exception, the Vikings didn't make it that far. -- Graeme Wall This account not read, substitute trains for rail. Railway Miscellany at <http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail>

On Tue, 13 Jan 2015 19:46:27 -0800 (PST), John Watt <[email protected]> wrote: >Percy was born 30 April 1892 in Brighton. I know that he served as an officer >in WW1 in the then new Royal Flying Corp. Family lore says that he >married an Irish girl, but WHO and WHERE ? Can anyone help, please >??? > The closest to Brighton looks like a marriage to Norah ATKIN, Surrey SE, MAR 1938 BUT if he was in France and married in a local church then there might only be French records for such a marriage. Otherwise there are about ten other marriages including his middle initial in England and Wales from 1913 to 1934. There is a 1938 marriage in Medway district to a Mary G MOOREY but she seems to have a matching birth index entry there in 1910 and a 1911 census entry with no hint of Ireland in the family. There is no match for his name (with or without the H) in the Irish marriage indexes. Do you know who registered his death ?

In message <[email protected]>, Graeme Wall <[email protected]> writes: >On 12/01/2015 17:59, Richard Smith wrote: [] >> Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you. Are you saying that you don't think >> Churchyates means Church Street because of the spelling? If so, I >> disagree. I grew up in a small village in the Yorkshire Moors -- >> admittedly some distance northeast of Almondbury -- and the older >> generation of locals sometimes used the word "gate" for a street. It >> was always pronounced "yat", rhyming with "cat", but with a "y" sound >> of "yes". The village of Chop Gate was the same: traditionally >> pronounced something like chupyat. >> > >Derived from the Viking word for a street. > > Yes, certainly evident in the name of many streets in many northern towns (e. g. Newcastle has several); it does _not_ relate to the modern meaning of gate as a doorway/entrance, but the whole length is called x-gate. (I'm not sure about "Newgate Street" - that may after all be after a new gate, but could also just be a bit of tautology. Especially as I've often heard it referred to without the "Street" part.) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)[email protected]+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Try to learn something about everything and everything about something. -Thomas Henry Huxley, biologist (1825-1895)

Percy was born 30 April 1892 in Brighton. I know that he served as an officer in WW1 in the then new Royal Flying Corp. Family lore says that he married an Irish girl, but WHO and WHERE ? Can anyone help, please ???

Chris, That Philip Dickinson was aged 58 and travelling with Esther Dickinson. I found your Basil Dickinson travelling on board the New York in 1936. I found this on the Ellis Island website. He was travelling with Ina Frances Dickinson. I then looked again and found him on the Queen Elizabeth aged 30. First Name : Basil Last Name : Dickinson Place of Birth : Britain Date of Arrival : 1946 Age at Arrival : 30 Gender : Male Ship of Travel : Queen Elizabeth Manifest Line Number : 13 I hope this helps. Regards, Pauline Newell > On 13 Jan 2015, at 1:03 am, Chris Dickinson via <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi All > > Back in 2008, I asked about my grandmother's transatlantic journeys and received some wonderfully informative replies. > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/genbrit/2008-03/1206737483 > > > I don't have the relevent subscriptions to pursue my next enquiry (though, of course I could go down to the local library). As maybe the problem is interesting, I'm going to try here first to see whether anyone wants to do some look ups. > > My late father, Basil Philip Harriman Dickinson, was in the fast track of the Civil Service in the 1940s. In 1946 he travelled with his minister, Alfred Barnes (Minister of Transport), to New York. My understanding is that this was something to do with the United Nations - Wiki comments: > > |Prior to the construction of the current complex, the UN was headquartered at a temporary location at the Sperry Corporation's offices in Lake Success, New York, an eastern suburb of the city in Nassau County on Long Island, from 1946 to 1952.[15] The Security Council also held sessions on what was then the Bronx campus of Hunter College (now the site of Lehman College) from March to August 1946| > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headquarters_of_the_United_Nations > > His main story about the trip was to do with Molotov. I've already recited this in the earlier thread: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/genbrit/2008-04/1207174245 > > I hadn't thought about this since, but happened to be reminded today and did some index searching. Molotov is there: > > http://search.findmypast.co.uk/results/united-kingdom-records-in-travel-and-migration?lastname=molotov > > though his given name is provided as 'VIRCHESLAN' rather than 'Vyacheslav'. > > There are two Alfred Barnes' in the index for a 1946 New York voyage: Alfred H Barnes (born 1895) and Alfred R Barnes (born 1916). > > http://search.findmypast.co.uk/results/united-kingdom-records-in-travel-and-migration?firstname=alfred%20&firstname_variants=true&lastname=barnes&eventyear=1946&eventyear_offset=0 > > Wiki gives the minister's name as Alfred John Barnes, born 1887. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Barnes_(Labour_politician) > > There is no entry for my father under his first name, Basil, but there seems to be under his second, Philip. > > http://search.findmypast.co.uk/results/united-kingdom-records-in-travel-and-migration?firstname=philip&firstname_variants=true&lastname=dickinson&eventyear=1946&eventyear_offset=0 > > A problem is that he is stated as born in 1888, whereas he was born in 1916. Just the date given for Alfred R Barnes above. > > So it looks pretty obvious that the birth dates have been transposed between my father and his minister. It would be nice to see, though, whether this is a fault of the index, or of the original manifest. Anyone care to check? > > Thanks > Chris > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On 12/01/15 17:59, Richard Smith wrote: > On 12/01/15 14:53, Ian Goddard wrote: > >> **Churchyates is also used. Gate in Yorkshire dialect can refer to >> "way" or street, e.g. "Tha're in t'gate" = "You are causing an >> obstruction" and Westgate is the name of the street running past >> Almondbury church. Having the "yate" variation excludes the possibility >> that "Churchgate" means "Church Street". > > Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you. Are you saying that you don't think > Churchyates means Church Street because of the spelling? If so, I > disagree. I grew up in a small village in the Yorkshire Moors -- > admittedly some distance northeast of Almondbury -- and the older > generation of locals sometimes used the word "gate" for a street. It > was always pronounced "yat", rhyming with "cat", but with a "y" sound > of "yes". The village of Chop Gate was the same: traditionally > pronounced something like chupyat. Hmm. I was relying largely on another source (I think it was Redmonds) but thinking about it I there's another local placename, Yateholme, admittedly problematic, in which Yate=Gate is a possible explanation. But certainly in this corner of GOC "gate" is the normal variation. However, it's not the only factor. It's in the plural each time, gates or yates. Also this is the only occasion in which this appellation is used in several hundred years of PR records - I'm not sure about MRs as only a fairly short run has been published. If the street had been Church Gate then there would surely have been others. And the street is Westgate, at least in modern parlance. Unfortunately no street names are given on the almost contemporary 1634 manorial map although the house next to the church gates is shown distinctly larger than its 6 neighbours. It's also bigger than Almondbury's prized Tudor remnant http://www.archaeology.wyjs.org.uk/TudorWeb/twy04.html across the road. -- Ian The Hotmail address is my spam-bin. Real mail address is iang at austonley org uk

On 2015-01-12 18:24:33 +0000, Chris Dickinson said: > >> The image from the link for Philip Dickinson doesn't seem likely, so I> >> checked the Passenger Lists to NY via Ancestry >> 16th Oct 1946 S.S.Queen Elizabeth left Southampton and arrived NY 21 Oct 1946. >> Passenger (listed in the Diplomatic section) Basil Dickinson, age 30,> >> Govt Official, British, born Seaford, living in London, n.o.k. wife:> >> Mrs Beryl H Dickinson, 4 Dover Park Rd, London, last in U.S. (NY) >> 1936.> Destination British Merchant Shipping Mission, Commerce Bld, >> Washington> D.C., 5ft 10ins tall, fair complexion, brown hair, hazel >> eyes >> >> Does that sound like the right man? > > > Ah, thank you. Yes, that's the right man. Hmm, I wonder why then he > didn't come up on the index I searched. > Strange that Barnes isn't there - I could have sworn that he said he > was travelling with him. Perhaps I got the wrong man and he was > travelling with the permanent secretary, Cyril Hurcomb. > > Odd too, that, he was last in New York in 1936. One of his stories was > that he had to leave ship (the 'New York') for family reasons when it > stopped off at Biarritz. I suppose that he would still have been on the > passenger list though, and maybe thus 'officially' arrived in New York. > > So annoying that I didn't pursue this while my father was still alive. > > Thanks again. > Chris Yes Hurcomb was listed and has the same destination as Basil. -- Tickettyboo

On 12/01/2015 17:59, Richard Smith wrote: > On 12/01/15 14:53, Ian Goddard wrote: > >> **Churchyates is also used. Gate in Yorkshire dialect can refer to >> "way" or street, e.g. "Tha're in t'gate" = "You are causing an >> obstruction" and Westgate is the name of the street running past >> Almondbury church. Having the "yate" variation excludes the possibility >> that "Churchgate" means "Church Street". > > Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you. Are you saying that you don't think > Churchyates means Church Street because of the spelling? If so, I > disagree. I grew up in a small village in the Yorkshire Moors -- > admittedly some distance northeast of Almondbury -- and the older > generation of locals sometimes used the word "gate" for a street. It > was always pronounced "yat", rhyming with "cat", but with a "y" sound > of "yes". The village of Chop Gate was the same: traditionally > pronounced something like chupyat. > Derived from the Viking word for a street. -- Graeme Wall This account not read, substitute trains for rail. Railway Miscellany at <http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail>

On 12/01/15 14:53, Ian Goddard wrote: > **Churchyates is also used. Gate in Yorkshire dialect can refer to > "way" or street, e.g. "Tha're in t'gate" = "You are causing an > obstruction" and Westgate is the name of the street running past > Almondbury church. Having the "yate" variation excludes the possibility > that "Churchgate" means "Church Street". Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you. Are you saying that you don't think Churchyates means Church Street because of the spelling? If so, I disagree. I grew up in a small village in the Yorkshire Moors -- admittedly some distance northeast of Almondbury -- and the older generation of locals sometimes used the word "gate" for a street. It was always pronounced "yat", rhyming with "cat", but with a "y" sound of "yes". The village of Chop Gate was the same: traditionally pronounced something like chupyat. Richard

On 2015-01-12 16:24:01 +0000, Tickettyboo said: > On 2015-01-12 14:03:37 +0000, Chris Dickinson said: > >> Hi All >> >> Back in 2008, I asked about my grandmother's transatlantic journeys and >> received some wonderfully informative replies. >> >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/genbrit/2008-03/1206737483 >> >> >> I don't have the relevent subscriptions to pursue my next enquiry >> (though, of course I could go down to the local library). As maybe the >> problem is interesting, I'm going to try here first to see whether >> anyone wants to do some look ups. >> >> My late father, Basil Philip Harriman Dickinson, was in the fast track >> of the Civil Service in the 1940s. In 1946 he travelled with his >> minister, Alfred Barnes (Minister of Transport), to New York. My >> understanding is that this was something to do with the United Nations >> - Wiki comments: >> >> |Prior to the construction of the current complex, the UN was >> headquartered at a temporary location at the Sperry Corporation's >> offices in Lake Success, New York, an eastern suburb of the city in >> Nassau County on Long Island, from 1946 to 1952.[15] The Security >> Council also held sessions on what was then the Bronx campus of Hunter >> College (now the site of Lehman College) from March to August 1946| >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headquarters_of_the_United_Nations >> >> His main story about the trip was to do with Molotov. I've already >> recited this in the earlier thread: >> >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/genbrit/2008-04/1207174245 >> >> I hadn't thought about this since, but happened to be reminded today >> and did some index searching. Molotov is there: >> >> http://search.findmypast.co.uk/results/united-kingdom-records-in-travel-and-migration?lastname=molotov >> >> >> though his given name is provided as 'VIRCHESLAN' rather than 'Vyacheslav'. >> There are two Alfred Barnes' in the index for a 1946 New York voyage: >> Alfred H Barnes (born 1895) and Alfred R Barnes (born 1916). >> >> http://search.findmypast.co.uk/results/united-kingdom-records-in-travel-and-migration?firstname=alfred%20&firstname_variants=true&lastname=barnes&eventyear=1946&eventyear_offset=0 >> >> >> Wiki gives the minister's name as Alfred John Barnes, born 1887. >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Barnes_(Labour_politician) >> >> There is no entry for my father under his first name, Basil, but there >> seems to be under his second, Philip. >> http://search.findmypast.co.uk/results/united-kingdom-records-in-travel-and-migration?firstname=philip&firstname_variants=true&lastname=dickinson&eventyear=1946&eventyear_offset=0 >> >> >> A problem is that he is stated as born in 1888, whereas he was born in >> 1916. Just the date given for Alfred R Barnes above. >> >> So it looks pretty obvious that the birth dates have been transposed >> between my father and his minister. It would be nice to see, though, >> whether this is a fault of the index, or of the original manifest. >> Anyone care to check? >> >> Thanks >> Chris > > The image from the link for Philip Dickinson doesn't seem likely, so I > checked the Passenger Lists to NY via Ancestry > 16th Oct 1946 S.S.Queen Elizabeth left Southampton and arrived NY 21 Oct 1946. > Passenger (listed in the Diplomatic section) Basil Dickinson, age 30, > Govt Official, British, born Seaford, living in London, n.o.k. wife: > Mrs Beryl H Dickinson, 4 Dover Park Rd, London, last in U.S. (NY) 1936. > Destination British Merchant Shipping Mission, Commerce Bld, Washington > D.C., 5ft 10ins tall, fair complexion, brown hair, hazel eyes > > Does that sound like the right man? Sorry, meant to say there wasn't a Barnes on the list. -- Tickettyboo

Chris Dickinson wrote: > I wasn't aware that my grandmother had scars on her left hand (she died when I was only 7) - but maybe that happened when she threw a very large glass bowl at her husband through a window :-) Chris: So as not to demean the darling little lady's appearance, on a second look, the scars may be for the person listed after her. The notation does not line up correctly. It was 1935. But she was still returning to Bermuda in 1948. [email protected]