On 18/01/2015 18:22, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: > In message <[email protected]>, Graeme Wall > <[email protected]> writes: >> On 17/01/2015 13:06, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: >>> In message <[email protected]>, Tickettyboo >>> <[email protected]> writes: >>>> On 2015-01-16 15:35:16 +0000, [email protected] said: >>> [] >>>>> "Scotch Church" which is what I am going to do shortly. To be fair- >>>>> even though there is a "great big river" between N. and S. Shields- I >>>>> have just read that back then the river could be forded (crossed) at >>>>> low tide...don't know if that helps at all- 'just thought it was >>>>> worth a mention! Good luck with all your research- fascinating aint >>>>> it?!!! Jane >>> [] >>>> I'd be really interested to have the reference for where you read the >>>> Tyne could be 'forded' at Shields at low tide. I never discount >>>> anything, but am very surprised to hear that. >>> >>> As a regular user of the "Shieldsman" ferry (and its standin) >> >> Freda Cunningham? >> > Rings a faint bell - it is over 30 years since I lived in (South) > Shields! (Marine Approach.) I remember the Shieldsman as sort of oval in > outline, and able to go equally well in either direction - so could make > the crossing whichever way the tide was flowing, without turning round. > The standby was a more conventional older vessel, with a definite bow > and stern, so - when it was used - had to turn to face into the tide > when it turned. That's her, I've a photo of her somewhere. -- Graeme Wall This account not read, substitute trains for rail. Railway Miscellany at <http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail>

On Monday, 19 January 2015 01:13:31 UTC, John Wallington wrote: > England Births & Christenings,1538-1975. For,James George Wallington > Indexing Project (Batch) Number CO3610-8 > System Origin England-EASy > GS Film number 93906 > Refference ID yr1890-1891 Page: 239. > > I am searching for the Maiden Name & Birth Place of the Mother to James George Wallington Margaret A ............? > Has anybody delved into the WALLINGTON,Family Tree. > > The family home was situated at 111 Vine St, Toxteth Park, Liverpool, Lancs UK > > Margaret passed away in 1940 > > J Wallington. You should be able to obtain that from his birth certificate. Chris

In message <[email protected]>, Graeme Wall <[email protected]> writes: >On 17/01/2015 13:06, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: >> In message <[email protected]>, Tickettyboo >> <[email protected]> writes: >>> On 2015-01-16 15:35:16 +0000, [email protected] said: >> [] >>>> "Scotch Church" which is what I am going to do shortly. To be fair- >>>> even though there is a "great big river" between N. and S. Shields- I >>>> have just read that back then the river could be forded (crossed) at >>>> low tide...don't know if that helps at all- 'just thought it was >>>> worth a mention! Good luck with all your research- fascinating aint >>>> it?!!! Jane >> [] >>> I'd be really interested to have the reference for where you read the >>> Tyne could be 'forded' at Shields at low tide. I never discount >>> anything, but am very surprised to hear that. >> >> As a regular user of the "Shieldsman" ferry (and its standin) > >Freda Cunningham? > Rings a faint bell - it is over 30 years since I lived in (South) Shields! (Marine Approach.) I remember the Shieldsman as sort of oval in outline, and able to go equally well in either direction - so could make the crossing whichever way the tide was flowing, without turning round. The standby was a more conventional older vessel, with a definite bow and stern, so - when it was used - had to turn to face into the tide when it turned. I too hope jmisis2003 comes back with details of the ford! -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)[email protected]+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "Purgamentum init, exit purgamentum." Translation: "Garbage in, garbage out."

> On 17/01/2015 20:16, eve via wrote: > >>> On Monday, 8 September 2014 23:42:02 UTC+1, Tickettyboo wrote: > >>>> RG4 Piece 1581: South Shields, Apsceate Congregation (Scotch Church),> > >>>> 1783-1813 > >>>> I am not very au fait with the various flavours of Non Conformists and> > >>>> though I have Googled till my fingers are worn down I can't find any> > >>>> explanation of the term "Apsceate" > >>>> > > > > > I thought that when this query first appeared a few weeks back, it was clearly > > identified, and although i have zapped the emails, i think probably as > > Associate. > The only thing is, I'm not sure that that existed as early as 1581. The date is not 1581 - that is the RG4 (nonconformist registers) piece number Author of The McLaughlin Guides for Family Historians Secretary, Bucks Genealogical Society

England Births & Christenings,1538-1975. For,James George Wallington Indexing Project (Batch) Number CO3610-8 System Origin England-EASy GS Film number 93906 Refference ID yr1890-1891 Page: 239. I am searching for the Maiden Name & Birth Place of the Mother to James George Wallington Margaret A ............? Has anybody delved into the WALLINGTON,Family Tree. The family home was situated at 111 Vine St, Toxteth Park, Liverpool, Lancs UK Margaret passed away in 1940 J Wallington.

On 17/01/2015 20:16, eve via wrote: >>> On Monday, 8 September 2014 23:42:02 UTC+1, Tickettyboo wrote: >>>> RG4 Piece 1581: South Shields, Apsceate Congregation (Scotch Church),> >>>> 1783-1813 >>>> I am not very au fait with the various flavours of Non Conformists and> >>>> though I have Googled till my fingers are worn down I can't find any> >>>> explanation of the term "Apsceate" >>>> >>>> This is the hand written title page of the register >>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/cbd4csl2jxmqe57/04.jpg?dl=0 >>>> I suppose it 'could' say Apsclate, but I can't find any explanation of> >>>> that either. > > I thought that when this query first appeared a few weeks back, it was clearly > identified, and although i have zapped the emails, i think probably as > Associate. > Eve > > Author of The McLaughlin Guides for Family Historians > Secretary, Bucks Genealogical Society > I think that was the conclusion - although I wondered all along whether it should perhaps have been "Episcopal" - the Scottish Anglican-like church which has bishops - unlike the Presbyterian-based "Church of Scotland". See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Episcopal_Church The only thing is, I'm not sure that that existed as early as 1581. -- Cheers, Roger ____________ Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom checked.

In message <[email protected]>, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <[email protected]> writes: >In message <[email protected]>, Charles Ellson ><[email protected]> writes: >[] >>The probate indexes for the Irish Republic from 1923 to 1982 are here >>:- >>http://www.cigo.ie/httpwww.cigo.iewills.html >>as 1 PDF for each year so put the kettle on while each downloads. ;-) > >Is that because they're scanned images, or transcribed? >[] I've sort of answered my own query in that the text below the table of links also tells you how to get an individual page, as a .tif file. Thanks, looks a useful webpage; as well as the above dates, it gives what looks like guidance on how to obtain at least some information on (Irish) wills and administrations from 1858 to date. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)[email protected]+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf I'm a gay man in a woman's body - and I love it! - Sheridan Smith (actress), in Radio Times, 3-9 April 2010

On Sat, 17 Jan 2015 13:09:55 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <[email protected]> wrote: >In message <[email protected]>, Charles Ellson ><[email protected]> writes: >[] >>The probate indexes for the Irish Republic from 1923 to 1982 are here >>:- >>http://www.cigo.ie/httpwww.cigo.iewills.html >>as 1 PDF for each year so put the kettle on while each downloads. ;-) > >Is that because they're scanned images, or transcribed? >[] They are scanned images of the calendar books so quite a few pages per year, some are manuscript and others are in the printed style of the books for England and Wales. I would be tempted to save them if the storage space is available to avoid having to download every time but if anyone asks, I never said that. ;-)

On Sat, 17 Jan 2015 12:46:28 -0000, "Geoff Pearson" <[email protected]> wrote: > >"Geoff Pearson" <[email protected]> wrote in message >news:[email protected] >> This chap lived in my house, here in Edinburgh, with his parents and >> aunts, from 1897-1906, at >> least. The Wikipedia article contains a lot of info but does anyone know >> more about him - who he married and was there a child? Did he just live >> in >> India or, as some suggest, he lived in London? >> >> I've been all over Ancestry, Scotland's People, and the internet and I've >> sent an email to the current Director of the Geological Survey of India. >> But chums here often have a clever idea. >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Heron >> >> Geoff >> >> > >I now have his marriage certificate - in Southampton in July 1911. His >wife, I suspect, left with him to go back to India after this, although she >seems to be on a boat to Calcutta in 1912. (Her father was at the wedding >so they didn't elope). Their only child was born in 1915 (Margaret). > >I can see some voyages to India - does anyone see a trip soon after the >wedding? > Nothing obvious (just using the surname) but a lot of entries have only got an initial or just "Mr" or "Mrs" and there is a suspicious shortage of voyages going in the direction of India.

> > On Monday, 8 September 2014 23:42:02 UTC+1, Tickettyboo wrote: > >> RG4 Piece 1581: South Shields, Apsceate Congregation (Scotch Church),> > >> 1783-1813 > >> I am not very au fait with the various flavours of Non Conformists and> > >> though I have Googled till my fingers are worn down I can't find any> > >> explanation of the term "Apsceate" > >> > >> This is the hand written title page of the register > >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/cbd4csl2jxmqe57/04.jpg?dl=0 > >> I suppose it 'could' say Apsclate, but I can't find any explanation of> > >> that either. I thought that when this query first appeared a few weeks back, it was clearly identified, and although i have zapped the emails, i think probably as Associate. Eve Author of The McLaughlin Guides for Family Historians Secretary, Bucks Genealogical Society

I've just come across a couple of howlers in FMPs census transcripts. The show the people involved as being born in "Preston, Dorset". It looked odd as they were pure Lancastrians. The problem has arisen when the -do- for "dittoing" the county (Lancashire) has been transcribed as Dorset. I wonder how many of thse there are scattered amongst the various counties. -- BobC ========== Change "null" to "news" in reply address.

On 2015-01-17 13:06:09 +0000, J. P. Gilliver (John) said: > In message <[email protected]>, Tickettyboo > <[email protected]> writes: >> On 2015-01-16 15:35:16 +0000, [email protected] said: > [] >>> "Scotch Church" which is what I am going to do shortly. To be fair- >>> even though there is a "great big river" between N. and S. Shields- I >>> have just read that back then the river could be forded (crossed) at >>> low tide...don't know if that helps at all- 'just thought it was worth >>> a mention! Good luck with all your research- fascinating aint it?!!! >>> Jane > [] >> I'd be really interested to have the reference for where you read the >> Tyne could be 'forded' at Shields at low tide. I never discount >> anything, but am very surprised to hear that. > > As a regular user of the "Shieldsman" ferry (and its standin) in the > years around 1980, I would too; I had assumed jmisis2003 was discussing > a North and South Shields somewhere in America, just named after the > Northumberland/Durham pair (but your discussions of correcting things > with the NA suggests we _are_ talking about the English ones). I'd have > thought even in 1790-1800, big enough ships would have come in towards > Newcastle to make the river even at low tide not that shallow. But like > you, I won't discount it! The original post was about Nonconformist Registers (RG4 series) and solely to do with the NE of England. I have been looking round the web to see if I can find a reference. Nothing coming up to indicate a ford at Shields, though this site http://www.bridgesonthetyne.co.uk/fords.html tells of some further upriver. Nearest I can see to Shields would be Newburn which would be quite a hike ! This site http://www.twsitelines.info/smr/1295 describes it as "the lowest safe fording point on the Tyne and at (more correctly near) the head of the tideway" I am assuming that 'lowest' in this context means nearest to the mouth of the river. Hopefully jmisis2003 will come back and let us have a reference for a ford at Shields, I get nosey about this stuff :-) -- Tickettyboo

On 17/01/2015 13:06, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: > In message <[email protected]>, Tickettyboo > <[email protected]> writes: >> On 2015-01-16 15:35:16 +0000, [email protected] said: > [] >>> "Scotch Church" which is what I am going to do shortly. To be fair- >>> even though there is a "great big river" between N. and S. Shields- I >>> have just read that back then the river could be forded (crossed) at >>> low tide...don't know if that helps at all- 'just thought it was >>> worth a mention! Good luck with all your research- fascinating aint >>> it?!!! Jane > [] >> I'd be really interested to have the reference for where you read the >> Tyne could be 'forded' at Shields at low tide. I never discount >> anything, but am very surprised to hear that. > > As a regular user of the "Shieldsman" ferry (and its standin) Freda Cunningham? -- Graeme Wall This account not read, substitute trains for rail. Railway Miscellany at <http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail>

In message <[email protected]>, Charles Ellson <[email protected]> writes: [] >The probate indexes for the Irish Republic from 1923 to 1982 are here >:- >http://www.cigo.ie/httpwww.cigo.iewills.html >as 1 PDF for each year so put the kettle on while each downloads. ;-) Is that because they're scanned images, or transcribed? [] -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)[email protected]+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur". ("Anything is more impressive if you say it in Latin")

"Geoff Pearson" wrote in message news:[email protected] I've had an email this morning telling me that wills are now taking 18 days to deliver from GOV.uk - i was expecting one today. We have also just received the email. At least we know it is in the system!

In message <[email protected]>, Tickettyboo <[email protected]> writes: >On 2015-01-16 15:35:16 +0000, [email protected] said: [] >>"Scotch Church" which is what I am going to do shortly. To be fair- >>even though there is a "great big river" between N. and S. Shields- I >>have just read that back then the river could be forded (crossed) at >>low tide...don't know if that helps at all- 'just thought it was worth >>a mention! Good luck with all your research- fascinating aint it?!!! Jane [] >I'd be really interested to have the reference for where you read the >Tyne could be 'forded' at Shields at low tide. I never discount >anything, but am very surprised to hear that. As a regular user of the "Shieldsman" ferry (and its standin) in the years around 1980, I would too; I had assumed jmisis2003 was discussing a North and South Shields somewhere in America, just named after the Northumberland/Durham pair (but your discussions of correcting things with the NA suggests we _are_ talking about the English ones). I'd have thought even in 1790-1800, big enough ships would have come in towards Newcastle to make the river even at low tide not that shallow. But like you, I won't discount it! -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)[email protected]+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur". ("Anything is more impressive if you say it in Latin")

"Geoff Pearson" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] > I've had an email this morning telling me that wills are now taking 18 > days to deliver from GOV.uk - i was expecting one today. Lucky you Geoff. I haven't had a single email notification from them yet. Only one of my wills has arrived successfully -- others, claming to be available, having no download link or a broken link. I've reported it but I get the impression that they're struggling at the moment. Tony Proctor

On Saturday, 17 January 2015 18:36:44 UTC, BobC wrote: > I've just come across a couple of howlers in FMPs census transcripts. > The show the people involved as being born in "Preston, Dorset". It > looked odd as they were pure Lancastrians. > > The problem has arisen when the -do- for "dittoing" the county > (Lancashire) has been transcribed as Dorset. I wonder how many of > thse there are scattered amongst the various counties. > > > -- > BobC > ========== > Change "null" to "news" in reply address. Very Homeric. Doh!

"Geoff Pearson" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] > This chap lived in my house, here in Edinburgh, with his parents and > aunts, from 1897-1906, at > least. The Wikipedia article contains a lot of info but does anyone know > more about him - who he married and was there a child? Did he just live > in > India or, as some suggest, he lived in London? > > I've been all over Ancestry, Scotland's People, and the internet and I've > sent an email to the current Director of the Geological Survey of India. > But chums here often have a clever idea. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Heron > > Geoff > > I now have his marriage certificate - in Southampton in July 1911. His wife, I suspect, left with him to go back to India after this, although she seems to be on a boat to Calcutta in 1912. (Her father was at the wedding so they didn't elope). Their only child was born in 1915 (Margaret). I can see some voyages to India - does anyone see a trip soon after the wedding?

I've had an email this morning telling me that wills are now taking 18 days to deliver from GOV.uk - i was expecting one today.