Was it here someone was enquiring for Wm Izzard b Dudley 1855? If so, the nearest seems to be William b 1860, son of John and Rachel, (lab) living aged 4 months in Brewery St, Dudley, with parents 23,20 and sister Mary Ann Eliza, 3. Another b 1852/3 in Grandborough WAR s John and Mary. EVE. Author of The McLaughlin Guides for Family Historians Secretary, Bucks Genealogical Society

The cutting can be found on the British Newspaper archive website. However, the report consists of just one paragraph of 20 words as follows..... "Yesterday died, suddenly, Mr Philip Wright, senior verger of this cathedral, having for many years filled that station with credit." The report, as Eve says, appeared in the Hampshire Chronicle of Monday 20 June 1808, under the heading "Chichester" and dated Saturday, 18 June. The mention of Philip Wright came at the end of two other news items. Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer and lecturer -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael Wright via Sent: 22 January 2015 12:57 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: PHILIP WRIGHT On Wednesday, 21 January 2015 15:25:39 UTC, eve via wrote: > Having cleverly zapped the original message while intending to reply > further There is a reference on 'British Newspapers' to the death of > 'Mr Philip Wright, senior verger..' in the Hampshire Chronicle of 20 > June 1808 on page 4. As it is 98 words, there may well be something on > the lines of 'Born in Heckmondwike/Penzance/ Shoreditch..... he came here with his wife An... > ' so it may be worth buying the download of the actual article. > Although -as he was living in Burwash for at least 3 weeks > before marriage, looking in Sussex seems likely to be fruitful, > sometimes church officials were imported from a distance because they > knew someone on the staff already. > (For instance, Marlow, Bucks, acquired as parish clerk a man from > Kingswinford, Staffs, because the vicar's brother in law's brother had > connections there. Only his extremely uncommon name- and the fact that > i had recently seen the name of his father as parish clerk of > Kingswinford, enabled the link to be made. ) EVE Author of The > McLaughlin Guides for Family Historians Secretary, Bucks Genealogical > Society On Wednesday, 21 January 2015 15:25:39 UTC, eve via wrote: > Having cleverly zapped the original message while intending to reply > further There is a reference on 'British Newspapers' to the death of > 'Mr Philip Wright, senior verger..' in the Hampshire Chronicle of 20 > June 1808 on page 4. As it is 98 words, there may well be something on > the lines of 'Born in Heckmondwike/Penzance/ Shoreditch..... he came here with his wife An... > ' so it may be worth buying the download of the actual article. > Although -as he was living in Burwash for at least 3 weeks > before marriage, looking in Sussex seems likely to be fruitful, > sometimes church officials were imported from a distance because they > knew someone on the staff already. > (For instance, Marlow, Bucks, acquired as parish clerk a man from > Kingswinford, Staffs, because the vicar's brother in law's brother had > connections there. Only his extremely uncommon name- and the fact that > i had recently seen the name of his father as parish clerk of > Kingswinford, enabled the link to be made. ) EVE Author of The > McLaughlin Guides for Family Historians Secretary, Bucks Genealogical > Society Thank you very much I have been stuck for a very long time. Now how do I get a copy of the article from the Hampshire Chronicle??? Mike Wright ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 2015-01-22 12:42:53 +0000, eve via said: >> >> > > Specific search page for Hampshire Marriages, I entered the Surname: >> Paul and spouse first name: Hannah - and NOTHING else. (First name >> field - blank, Marriage Year field still says YYYY, place still says >> start typing a place and spouses last name - blank) >> >> I got 5 results ! >> CHARLES PAUL 1804 BOLDRE >> >> JAMES PAUL 1792 ROCKBOURNE >> >> JAMES PAUL 1830 ALVERSTOKE >> >> JOHN PAUL 1770 BOLDRE >> >> PETER PAUL 1797 ALVERSTOKE >> >> Really strange that for two identical searches one seems to need a date >> range and another doesn't? FMP seems to have a mind of its own since >> they 'upgraded' the site. >> > FMP has Suffered one of these 'imporovements' by computer nerds which > had wrecked the suite from the point of view of the paying customer (and > they don't seem to care) > If you go to the FREE Familyseach site, enter PAUL and Hampshire and > 'spouse name Hannah) yopu will receive in 5 seconds or less > > Peter Paul m 1 Oct 1797 ALVERSTOKE Hannah Ayling > James Paul m 8 Sep 1791 ROCKBOURNE Hannah MUSTLETHWAITE > James Paul m 6 Jan 1830 Alverstoke Hannah FOLGES > plus a whole lot of children baptised to the couples. > > The family would appear to be addicted to0 Hannahs - and what the > northern one was doing down south is an interesting speculation. > > Lesson, ditch FMP as a serious service company till they mend their ways. > EVE > Author of The McLaughlin Guides for Family Historians > Secretary, Bucks Genealogical Society Though I am disappointed that FMP have (or so it seems to me) made it a LOT more difficult to search without jumping through many un-necessary hoops, they do still have databases that I can't get online elsewhere. So I plod along, gritting my teeth and spend twice as long as should be needed. BUT when I get what I want such as the trade union records which helped me to confirm that my Granda did, as I suspected, nip off to Canada and so be missing from the UK 1911 census, then I am over the moon. I suppose I have to accept that the commercial online genealogy sites come into the 'stack 'em high and sell them (not so) cheap' category and have their drawbacks and limitations but that's balanced by the fact that at least I don't have to travel to look for what I want - which is a big plus for me. -- Tickettyboo

> > Specific search page for Hampshire Marriages, I entered the Surname: > Paul and spouse first name: Hannah - and NOTHING else. (First name > field - blank, Marriage Year field still says YYYY, place still says > start typing a place and spouses last name - blank) > > I got 5 results ! > CHARLES PAUL 1804 BOLDRE > > JAMES PAUL 1792 ROCKBOURNE > > JAMES PAUL 1830 ALVERSTOKE > > JOHN PAUL 1770 BOLDRE > > PETER PAUL 1797 ALVERSTOKE > > Really strange that for two identical searches one seems to need a date > range and another doesn't? FMP seems to have a mind of its own since > they 'upgraded' the site. > FMP has Suffered one of these 'imporovements' by computer nerds which had wrecked the suite from the point of view of the paying customer (and they don't seem to care) If you go to the FREE Familyseach site, enter PAUL and Hampshire and 'spouse name Hannah) yopu will receive in 5 seconds or less Peter Paul m 1 Oct 1797 ALVERSTOKE Hannah Ayling James Paul m 8 Sep 1791 ROCKBOURNE Hannah MUSTLETHWAITE James Paul m 6 Jan 1830 Alverstoke Hannah FOLGES plus a whole lot of children baptised to the couples. The family would appear to be addicted to0 Hannahs - and what the northern one was doing down south is an interesting speculation. Lesson, ditch FMP as a serious service company till they mend their ways. EVE Author of The McLaughlin Guides for Family Historians Secretary, Bucks Genealogical Society

"Tickettyboo" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] > On 2015-01-20 15:00:10 +0000, Jenny M Benson said: > >> Trying to discover who was a Hannah Paul whose death record I had seen, I >> searched FindMyPast "Hampshire Marriages" collection, using the Search >> terms Surname = PAUL and Spouse's First Name = HANNAH. One result was >> returned, a marriage in 1830 and at that point I realised that in editing >> an earlier search I had omitted to delete a time period from the Search >> terms. >> >> I repeated the search using only the Surname and Spouse's First Name and >> got no results at all. When I repeated the Search for a 40-year time >> period (either side of 1800) there were 5 results returned. >> >> There is no indication on the Search page that Date is a required field. >> I wonder how many times in the past I have failed to get a result because >> I was searching on minimum criteria and omitted a Date. > > I just tried the same thing, as I often search with the bare minimum of > data and now I am wondering what I may have been missing. > > Specific search page for Hampshire Marriages, I entered the Surname: Paul > and spouse first name: Hannah - and NOTHING else. (First name field - > blank, Marriage Year field still says YYYY, place still says start typing > a place and spouses last name - blank) > > I got 5 results ! > CHARLES PAUL 1804 BOLDRE > JAMES PAUL 1792 ROCKBOURNE > JAMES PAUL 1830 ALVERSTOKE > JOHN PAUL 1770 BOLDRE > PETER PAUL 1797 ALVERSTOKE > > Really strange that for two identical searches one seems to need a date > range and another doesn't? FMP seems to have a mind of its own since they > 'upgraded' the site. > > -- > Tickettyboo > It's clearly not working in any correct and rational manner Tickettyboo. Good luck if you want to try and report this to them. Normally, the reporting of an issue to a company (online or otherwise) gives you some sort of ticket or call number, and a way to track the progress up until its closure. Not so with them. I have reported several issues and they've all simply disappeared down a black-hole. Tony Proctor

On Wednesday, 21 January 2015 15:25:39 UTC, eve via wrote: > Having cleverly zapped the original message while intending to reply further > There is a reference on 'British Newspapers' to the death of 'Mr Philip > Wright, senior verger..' in the Hampshire Chronicle of 20 June 1808 on > page 4. As it is 98 words, there may well be something on the lines of 'Born > in Heckmondwike/Penzance/ Shoreditch..... he came here with his wife An... > ' so it may be worth buying the download of the actual article. > Although -as he was living in Burwash for at least 3 weeks before > marriage, looking in Sussex seems likely to be fruitful, sometimes church > officials were imported from a distance because they knew someone on the > staff already. > (For instance, Marlow, Bucks, acquired as parish clerk a man from > Kingswinford, Staffs, because the vicar's brother in law's brother had > connections there. Only his extremely uncommon name- and the fact that i > had recently seen the name of his father as parish clerk of Kingswinford, > enabled the link to be made. ) > EVE > Author of The McLaughlin Guides for Family Historians > Secretary, Bucks Genealogical Society On Wednesday, 21 January 2015 15:25:39 UTC, eve via wrote: > Having cleverly zapped the original message while intending to reply further > There is a reference on 'British Newspapers' to the death of 'Mr Philip > Wright, senior verger..' in the Hampshire Chronicle of 20 June 1808 on > page 4. As it is 98 words, there may well be something on the lines of 'Born > in Heckmondwike/Penzance/ Shoreditch..... he came here with his wife An... > ' so it may be worth buying the download of the actual article. > Although -as he was living in Burwash for at least 3 weeks before > marriage, looking in Sussex seems likely to be fruitful, sometimes church > officials were imported from a distance because they knew someone on the > staff already. > (For instance, Marlow, Bucks, acquired as parish clerk a man from > Kingswinford, Staffs, because the vicar's brother in law's brother had > connections there. Only his extremely uncommon name- and the fact that i > had recently seen the name of his father as parish clerk of Kingswinford, > enabled the link to be made. ) > EVE > Author of The McLaughlin Guides for Family Historians > Secretary, Bucks Genealogical Society Thank you very much I have been stuck for a very long time. Now how do I get a copy of the article from the Hampshire Chronicle??? Mike Wright

On 2015-01-20 15:00:10 +0000, Jenny M Benson said: > Trying to discover who was a Hannah Paul whose death record I had seen, > I searched FindMyPast "Hampshire Marriages" collection, using the > Search terms Surname = PAUL and Spouse's First Name = HANNAH. One > result was returned, a marriage in 1830 and at that point I realised > that in editing an earlier search I had omitted to delete a time period > from the Search terms. > > I repeated the search using only the Surname and Spouse's First Name > and got no results at all. When I repeated the Search for a 40-year > time period (either side of 1800) there were 5 results returned. > > There is no indication on the Search page that Date is a required > field. I wonder how many times in the past I have failed to get a > result because I was searching on minimum criteria and omitted a Date. I just tried the same thing, as I often search with the bare minimum of data and now I am wondering what I may have been missing. Specific search page for Hampshire Marriages, I entered the Surname: Paul and spouse first name: Hannah - and NOTHING else. (First name field - blank, Marriage Year field still says YYYY, place still says start typing a place and spouses last name - blank) I got 5 results ! CHARLES PAUL 1804 BOLDRE JAMES PAUL 1792 ROCKBOURNE JAMES PAUL 1830 ALVERSTOKE JOHN PAUL 1770 BOLDRE PETER PAUL 1797 ALVERSTOKE Really strange that for two identical searches one seems to need a date range and another doesn't? FMP seems to have a mind of its own since they 'upgraded' the site. -- Tickettyboo

On 20/01/2015 03:59, Mary Lou via wrote: > Does anyone have a website that will convert British pounds to American dollars at 1916 rates? > > I'm trying to determine what 20 pounds, 12 shillings and 4d would have been worth. > > Thanks much..... > > mary lou > http://www.majorexchangerates.com/gbp/1916-usd.html Nick > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

I'm looking for any info on these ancesters, James Sutherland born about 1791 and his wife Jannet Sinclair born about 1797. Marriage registry has thier marriage 22 Nov 1816, Harpsdale, Halkirk, Caithness. They had 10 children James 1820 Issabella 1821 Janet 1824 Alexander 1826 Ann 1827 Jane 1829 James 1831. Married twice, Mary Buchan, Martha Tulloch Elizabeth 1833 William 1835 Mary 1842 ? Any info on any of them would be much appreciated. All the children seem to have been born in Edinburgh.

On 20/01/2015 17:49, Norfolkman wrote: > I have an image of a will on my pc Perhaps try Google "search by image". You can upload the image and it will try and find a similar one on the internet. May only work if the image has distinctive marks or similar.

On 21/01/2015 13:59, eve via wrote: > Having cleverly zapped the original message while intending to reply further > There is a reference on 'British Newspapers' to the death of 'Mr Philip > Wright, senior verger..' in the Hampshire Chronicle of 20 June 1808 on > page 4. As it is 98 words, there may well be something on the lines of 'Born > in Heckmondwike/Penzance/ Shoreditch..... he came here with his wife An... > ' so it may be worth buying the download of the actual article. It just says "Yesterday died, suddenly. Mr. Philip Wright, senior verger of this cathedral ; having for many years filled that station with credit." The "98 words" obviously refers to the whole section of Chichester news of which the above is a part. -- Jenny M Benson

Having cleverly zapped the original message while intending to reply further There is a reference on 'British Newspapers' to the death of 'Mr Philip Wright, senior verger..' in the Hampshire Chronicle of 20 June 1808 on page 4. As it is 98 words, there may well be something on the lines of 'Born in Heckmondwike/Penzance/ Shoreditch..... he came here with his wife An... ' so it may be worth buying the download of the actual article. Although -as he was living in Burwash for at least 3 weeks before marriage, looking in Sussex seems likely to be fruitful, sometimes church officials were imported from a distance because they knew someone on the staff already. (For instance, Marlow, Bucks, acquired as parish clerk a man from Kingswinford, Staffs, because the vicar's brother in law's brother had connections there. Only his extremely uncommon name- and the fact that i had recently seen the name of his father as parish clerk of Kingswinford, enabled the link to be made. ) EVE Author of The McLaughlin Guides for Family Historians Secretary, Bucks Genealogical Society

> > "Richard Smith" wrote in message news:[email protected] > > On 20/01/15 17:49, Norfolkman wrote: > > > The will concerned was for Ralph Gabey (AKA Gaby or Gabie} The will was > > dated 1734 in Downham, which is variously listed as either Norfolk or > > Cambridgeshire. As I only have part of the will, I would love to be able > > to > > find it again. > > Ralph Gabey, yeoman, of Welney left a will dated 1734 proved in the > Consistory Court of Norwich, and is register "Smith 11". I'm not aware > that these wills are available on-line, but it's outside my area of > expertise and I may be wrong. It seems that the INDEX only is available, the buy the copy and it has very tight criteria. I asked for Raplh Gabey (all spellings) 1734 Woodham' and was told no such entry. I think Ancestry, for one, would have sent the reference to 'Ralph Gabey, Welney 1734'. As you have it on your PC, I suspect someone sent a photocopy and you put it there. . > > Welney is one of the chain of parishes along the Cambridgeshire / > Norfolk border that straddled the border of the two counties until 1895. > The parish was then divided into West Welney (Cambs) and Welney > (Norfolk). It's a small windswept place in the Fens on the Hundred Foot > Drain. > > The large Cambridgeshire parish of Downham borders Welney to the south, > and its main village, Little Downham, is about eight miles from Welney. > The Norfolk town of Downham Market is maybe eight miles to the > north-east. Downham Market is much the larger place, and if the will > just says Downham, it is more likely to mean Downham Market. That is a very useful explanation - these things are sent to try us. EVE Author of The McLaughlin Guides for Family Historians Secretary, Bucks Genealogical Society

On 21/01/15 12:35, Norfolkman wrote: > As you can see from my user name, I'm in this area so maybe a bit of local > research is called for. In that case, it's available on microfilm/fiche in the Norfolk Record Office, in Norwich. Richard

"Richard Smith" wrote in message news:[email protected] On 20/01/15 17:49, Norfolkman wrote: > The will concerned was for Ralph Gabey (AKA Gaby or Gabie} The will was > dated 1734 in Downham, which is variously listed as either Norfolk or > Cambridgeshire. As I only have part of the will, I would love to be able > to > find it again. Ralph Gabey, yeoman, of Welney left a will dated 1734 proved in the Consistory Court of Norwich, and is register "Smith 11". I'm not aware that these wills are available on-line, but it's outside my area of expertise and I may be wrong. Welney is one of the chain of parishes along the Cambridgeshire / Norfolk border that straddled the border of the two counties until 1895. The parish was then divided into West Welney (Cambs) and Welney (Norfolk). It's a small windswept place in the Fens on the Hundred Foot Drain. The large Cambridgeshire parish of Downham borders Welney to the south, and its main village, Little Downham, is about eight miles from Welney. The Norfolk town of Downham Market is maybe eight miles to the north-east. Downham Market is much the larger place, and if the will just says Downham, it is more likely to mean Downham Market. Richard Thanks Richard, As you can see from my user name, I'm in this area so maybe a bit of local research is called for. Geoff

"Norfolkman" wrote in message news:[email protected] I have an image of a will on my pc which I am reasonably certain could only have come from Ancestry quite a few years ago, however, I can no longer find it on there. How likely is it that some which were on a few years ago are now missing? The only other possibility is the old IGI (Family search) but I can't see any wills on there. The will concerned was for Ralph Gabey (AKA Gaby or Gabie} The will was dated 1734 in Downham, which is variously listed as either Norfolk or Cambridgeshire. As I only have part of the will, I would love to be able to find it again. Any ideas would be much appreciated. Geoff ======================================= Very many thanks to everyone for the replies. Further delving back into my old box files has thrown up another copy which was on an A3 sheet, something which I cannot print. so it must have been sent to me from somewhere or other. A bit more digging and rummaging on my part is obviously called for! Again, thanks for the advice. Geoff.

> Hi all, for a long time now I have been trying to find my 4th great grandfathers birth certificate or any info on his parents. His Name is Philip Wright and he was a Verger at the Sub Deanery of St.Peter The Great, Chichester Cathedral, West Sussex, UK. The only information I have is as follows:12/03/1777 marriage between Philip Wright from Burwash married Ann Hasler at Rumboldswhyke Parish Church, the witnesses were John Habin and Sarah Francies. I cannot find his Birth Certificate so I assume he was born in Burwash. East Sussex until I know further. Philip was the Verger of the Sub Deanery of St. Peter the Great, Chichester Cathedral, Sussex, England. He died sometime in 1808 and he is buried in what is called "Paradise" in the Cathedral Cloisters. He lived in the Cathedral Close with his family, his wife Ann and their three children Ann, Philip and George. He was born around 1750. > I have emailed the Cathedral sometime in the middle of last year but have not heard from them since. I would like to know where he was born and his father and mother. There is no such thing as a 'birth certificate' before July 1837. What you are looking for is his baptismal entry, which may or may not be in the town of Chichester, which had more than one parish. As he was a verger, the chances are that at the time of his appointment, he was a 'settled' man of the place. Either the Cathedral or the Diocesan Archives may have a reference to his appointment, which should give his parish of that date. You could then study records of Settlement certificates (should be in W Sussex Archives, as indeed should the parish registers. It is rare to find registers still in the atual parish, which is probably why the Cathedral authorities have not replied.). However, Chichester registers have been published on CD by a firm whose name i have not noted here. Try Googling for Chichester and see if 'transcripts' comes up. I may later be able to locate the name, and if so will come back on this. I presume you have used 'familysearch' to see if they have any records? EVE Author of The McLaughlin Guides for Family Historians Secretary, Bucks Genealogical Society

Hi all, for a long time now I have been trying to find my 4th great grandfathers birth certificate or any info on his parents. His Name is Philip Wright and he was a Verger at the Sub Deanery of St.Peter The Great, Chichester Cathedral, West Sussex, UK. The only information I have is as follows:12/03/1777 marriage between Philip Wright from Burwash married Ann Hasler at Rumboldswhyke Parish Church, the witnesses were John Habin and Sarah Francies. I cannot find his Birth Certificate so I assume he was born in Burwash. East Sussex until I know further. Philip was the Verger of the Sub Deanery of St. Peter the Great, Chichester Cathedral, Sussex, England. He died sometime in 1808 and he is buried in what is called "Paradise" in the Cathedral Cloisters. He lived in the Cathedral Close with his family, his wife Ann and their three children Ann, Philip and George. He was born around 1750. I have emailed the Cathedral sometime in the middle of last year but have not heard from them since. I would like to know where he was born and his father and mother. If anybody can help or suggest where I go from here please do. Much appreciated Mike. There was no such thing as a birth certificate before 1837 when civil registration began in England and Wales on 1 July of that year. Surely you knew that? The most you are likely to find is a baptism in a parish register and given that he married in 1777 it does seem likely he was born some time in the 1750s. However, you cannot assume he was born at Burwash just because he was living there when he married. He may have been born in a different parish or even a different part of the country altogether. His burial appears in the NBI on 20 June 1808 but it doesn't give his age. All you can do is keep searching parish registers, starting with Burwash and moving outwards in an ever-increasing circle. I can't see a likely entry in FamilySearch. Nor should you expect a reply from the Cathedral, I'm afraid. They probably get umpteen requests and are more concerned with the living thann the dead! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ Reach For The Stars blog: roystockdillgenealogy.com "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

On 21/01/15 09:30, Michael Wright wrote: > Hi all, for a long time now I have been trying to find my 4th great grandfathers birth certificate or any info on his parents. You won't find a birth certificate as these are documents introduced with civil registration in mid-1837. What you need to look for is a baptism. %>< > The only information I have is as follows:12/03/1777 marriage between Philip Wright from Burwash married Ann Hasler at Rumboldswhyke Parish Church, the witnesses were John Habin and Sarah Francies. > I cannot find his Birth Certificate so I assume he was born in Burwash. East Sussex A quick search on Familysearch produces no Philip Wrights in Sussex in the period 1740 - 1760. Other search engines might be more successful. There are a few alternative approaches here. The first is to extend to neighbouring counties. There was a Philip Wright baptised in Ewell, Surrey in 1741. Could this be him? There don't seem to be any Philip Wrights in other neighbouring counties. Another approach would be to look for Wright baptisms in Sussex. Familysearch has 69 hits although there are duplicates in these. You could try to organise these into families based on locality and parents names. Typically one sees children born to a family every couple of years, maybe becoming more widely spaced in later years. What do these families look like? Are there any with gaps where a baptism might have been missed? If so can you find any information on the state of baptismal records of the relevant parish such as missing pages? Parents often reuse family names; how do the parents and other children's names compare with Philip's children's names? Yet another would be to consider what the career of a verger would entail. Would he have been ordained? If so there should be ecclesiastical records & maybe University records for him. This is an area where I have no experience but others might tell you where to look. Is it a career which might have brought him from some other part of the country? If so there are a number of baptisms elsewhere. A church career might imply the same on the part of his parents. Research the names of vicars of Burwash in the 1770s; it's possible his father held office there. -- Ian The Hotmail address is my spam-bin. Real mail address is iang at austonley org uk

On 2015-01-21 00:36:15 +0000, Anne Chambers said: > Roger Mills wrote: > >> >> Yes, sorry - I misinterpreted the reference. >> >> If it was a couple of hundred years later, it makes it more possible >> that it could have been Episcopal - >> although the original image doesn't look like that, definitely starts >> with a 'A'. But if people wrote down >> what they heard, it could have sounded like 'Apiscopal'. On reflection, >> however, if it were the Episcopal >> Church, it probably wouldn't have appeared in the Non Conformist >> register - unless "Non Conformist" is defined >> differently in Scotland from its English definition. > It is very definitely the South Shields *Associate* Congregation - > there are numerous contemporary references on Google, including > > https://books.google.com.au/books?id=xOsRAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA381&dq=%22south+shields%22+%22associate+congregation%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Ou2-VPOJKKXOmwX4oYKYDA&ved=0CB4Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22south%20shields%22%20%22associate%20congregation%22&f=false > Thanks to everyone who has given further input. Interesting though the discussion on the various flavours of Non-Conformist churches is, the original query was solely about finding out what the record actually said as I suspected that the description had been incorrectly transcribed by the National Archives and the mistranscription filtered down to all the online references for this Piece number. I needed to know what the correct interpretation was to be able to add my own transcription to the Free Reg database. After advice and help in here, I contacted the N.A. who reviewed it, agreed it actually says 'Associate' and the place says 'North' rather than 'South' Shields. They have amended their record description accordingly. Now that it is sorted, the Free Reg site will also have the correct description. -- Tickettyboo