laidlaws<[email protected]> wrote: > eve via<[email protected]> wrote: > > A BUCKS GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY TALK > > The WHITECHAPEL MURDERS of the '90s have fascinated people for over > > a century, especially those whose ancestors lived in the East End in those > > scary times. Jack the Ripper was blamed - and has been identified with > > various Victorian doctors, a Royal Prince, and more recently, on very shaky > > evidence, a Russian Jew. One of the investigating team was a P C John > > Neill, and (in costume) his near namesake, John Neal, a former London > > policeman, has studied the crimes more searchingly, in the light of modern > > techniques, and come to the conclusion that > > JACK THE RIPPER WAS INNOCENT -OK? > > Come and hear his theories, agree or disagree, on Saturday February 14 at > > the Southcourt Community Centre, Prebendal Ave. Aylesbury HP21 8LF > > (parallel with Oxford Rd A418, just off ring road) 2 for 2.30pm Directions > > and details: www.bucksgs.org.uk or [email protected] or 01844 291631 > > Easy parking on site. > > Visitors welcome, but no responsibility for fainting fits, shock or horrors! > > EVE > > Author of The McLaughlin Guides for Family Historians > > Secretary, Bucks Genealogical Society > If Jack the Ripper didn't do it, who did? > -- > Usenet Reader for Android > http://android.newsgroupstats.hk What I meant to say is: The self-styled Jack the Ripper may be innocent, but nowadays, the title refers to the real murderer. -- Usenet Reader for Android http://android.newsgroupstats.hk

eve via<[email protected]> wrote: > A BUCKS GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY TALK > The WHITECHAPEL MURDERS of the '90s have fascinated people for over > a century, especially those whose ancestors lived in the East End in those > scary times. Jack the Ripper was blamed - and has been identified with > various Victorian doctors, a Royal Prince, and more recently, on very shaky > evidence, a Russian Jew. One of the investigating team was a P C John > Neill, and (in costume) his near namesake, John Neal, a former London > policeman, has studied the crimes more searchingly, in the light of modern > techniques, and come to the conclusion that > JACK THE RIPPER WAS INNOCENT -OK? > Come and hear his theories, agree or disagree, on Saturday February 14 at > the Southcourt Community Centre, Prebendal Ave. Aylesbury HP21 8LF > (parallel with Oxford Rd A418, just off ring road) 2 for 2.30pm Directions > and details: www.bucksgs.org.uk or [email protected] or 01844 291631 > Easy parking on site. > Visitors welcome, but no responsibility for fainting fits, shock or horrors! > EVE > Author of The McLaughlin Guides for Family Historians > Secretary, Bucks Genealogical Society If Jack the Ripper didn't do it, who did? -- Usenet Reader for Android http://android.newsgroupstats.hk

On Wed, 28 Jan 2015 17:40:23 +1100, laidlaws wrote: > If Jack the Ripper didn't do it, who did? > -- The so called canonical murders were almost certainly commited by at least two different persons, and not two working together. Jack never existed and was the invetion of an ambitious freelance journalist. That's been known for more than a century. Who did comit them? I doubt we'll ever know. Could you even trust a signed and witnessed confession if one should be found? But there has never been any shortage of suspects, a few even slightly plausible. But ask yourself do we want to know, wouldn't that spoil the 'fun'? If you have a few days to spare try browsing around http://www.casebook.org/index.html plenty of facts there and suspects! Roy

On Wed, 28 Jan 2015 17:40:23 +1100, "laidlaws" <[email protected]> wrote: > > >eve via<[email protected]> wrote: >> A BUCKS GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY TALK >> The WHITECHAPEL MURDERS of the '90s have fascinated people for over >> a century, especially those whose ancestors lived in the East End in those >> scary times. Jack the Ripper was blamed - and has been identified with >> various Victorian doctors, a Royal Prince, and more recently, on very shaky >> evidence, a Russian Jew. One of the investigating team was a P C John >> Neill, and (in costume) his near namesake, John Neal, a former London >> policeman, has studied the crimes more searchingly, in the light of modern >> techniques, and come to the conclusion that >> JACK THE RIPPER WAS INNOCENT -OK? >> Come and hear his theories, agree or disagree, on Saturday February 14 at >> the Southcourt Community Centre, Prebendal Ave. Aylesbury HP21 8LF >> (parallel with Oxford Rd A418, just off ring road) 2 for 2.30pm Directions >> and details: www.bucksgs.org.uk or [email protected] or 01844 291631 >> Easy parking on site. >> Visitors welcome, but no responsibility for fainting fits, shock or horrors! >> EVE >> Author of The McLaughlin Guides for Family Historians >> Secretary, Bucks Genealogical Society > >If Jack the Ripper didn't do it, who did? Someone else of the same name. -- Steve Hayes Web: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com/ http://hayesgreene.blogspot.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/afgen/

> >> > >> What I meant to say is: The self-styled Jack the Ripper may be innocent, > >> but nowadays, the title refers to the real murderer. > > > >There was no self-styled Jack the Ripper, that title was a newspaper > >invention. Someone killed half a dozen prostitutes in East London in a > >messy fashion in the 1890s but we will never know now who the culprit was. > > > The National Archives have a letter (letters ?) purporting to be from > him but just signed "Jack". as likely to be a newspaper reporter cranking up interest, or some joker who though it was funny - like the man who pretended to be the Yorkshire Ripper more recently. anyway, - unless you are Doug in Australia - come along and hear John's reinvestigation. I am as much in the dark as you are EVE Author of The McLaughlin Guides for Family Historians Secretary, Bucks Genealogical Society

On 28/01/2015 11:03, Gordon wrote: > Some one claims to have matched DNA from articles of clothing from a > victim with that of one of the original suspects (via descendants). > Given the cross contamination of DNA's over the last 100 years and the > articles were never kept in DNA sterile conditions that theory wouldn't > stand up in court. Also clothes were not washed very often (if ever!!) > in those days so the suspects DNA could have been on the clothes for > sometime prior to the murder. Also, I gather, the shawl had been handled by members of the family of the supposed suspect in the past. -- Graeme Wall This account not read, substitute trains for rail. Railway Miscellany at <http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail>

Some one claims to have matched DNA from articles of clothing from a victim with that of one of the original suspects (via descendants). Given the cross contamination of DNA's over the last 100 years and the articles were never kept in DNA sterile conditions that theory wouldn't stand up in court. Also clothes were not washed very often (if ever!!) in those days so the suspects DNA could have been on the clothes for sometime prior to the murder. Jack the Ripper's identity will always remain a mystery I suspect. Gordon "Graeme Wall" wrote in message news:[email protected] snipped If they ever identify the Ripper, it would be a tragedy. For the book-trade, certainly. -- Graeme Wall This account not read, substitute trains for rail. Railway Miscellany at <http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail>

"Graeme Wall" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] > On 28/01/2015 08:48, laidlaws wrote: >> >> >> Graeme Wall<[email protected]> wrote: >>> On 28/01/2015 07:28, Charles Ellson wrote: >>> > On Wed, 28 Jan 2015 07:25:28 +0000, Graeme Wall >>> > <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > >>> >> On 28/01/2015 06:45, laidlaws wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> laidlaws<[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> eve via<[email protected]> wrote: > A BUCKS GENEALOGICAL >>> SOCIETY >>> >>>> TALK >>> >>>>> The WHITECHAPEL MURDERS of the '90s have fascinated people for >>> >>>>> over >>> >>>>> a century, especially those whose ancestors lived in the East End >>> >>>> in those > scary times. Jack the Ripper was blamed - and has been >>> >>>> identified with > various Victorian doctors, a Royal Prince, and >>> more >>> >>>> recently, on very shaky > evidence, a Russian Jew. One of the >>> >>>> investigating team was a P C John > Neill, and (in costume) his >>> >>>> near >>> >>>> namesake, John Neal, a former London > policeman, has studied the >>> >>>> crimes more searchingly, in the light of modern > techniques, and >>> come >>> >>>> to the conclusion that > JACK THE RIPPER WAS >>> >>>> INNOCENT -OK? >>> >>>>> Come and hear his theories, agree or disagree, on Saturday >>> February >>> >>>> 14 at > the Southcourt Community Centre, Prebendal Ave. Aylesbury >>> HP21 >>> >>>> 8LF > (parallel with Oxford Rd A418, just off ring road) 2 for >>> >>>> 2.30pm Directions > and details: www.bucksgs.org.uk or >>> >>>> [email protected] or 01844 291631 >>> >>>>> Easy parking on site. >>> >>>>> Visitors welcome, but no responsibility for fainting fits, shock >>> >>>>> or >>> >>>> horrors! >>> >>>>> EVE >>> >>>>> Author of The McLaughlin Guides for Family Historians >>> >>>>> Secretary, Bucks Genealogical Society >>> >>>> If Jack the Ripper didn't do it, who did? >>> >>>> -- >>> >>>> Usenet Reader for Android >>> >>>> http://android.newsgroupstats.hk >>> >>> >>> >>> What I meant to say is: The self-styled Jack the Ripper may be >>> innocent, >>> >>> but nowadays, the title refers to the real murderer. >>> >> >>> >> There was no self-styled Jack the Ripper, that title was a newspaper >>> >> invention. Someone killed half a dozen prostitutes in East London >>> in a >>> >> messy fashion in the 1890s but we will never know now who the >>> culprit was. >>> >> >>> > The National Archives have a letter (letters ?) purporting to be from >>> > him but just signed "Jack". >>> The 19th century equivalent of on-line trolls. >>> > >>> >> Won't stop people coming up with ever more fanciful theories though. >>> -- >>> Graeme Wall >>> This account not read, substitute trains for rail. >>> Railway Miscellany at <http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail> >> >> Apparently Scotland Yard showed the death mask of the suspect from >> Victoria, Oz, >> as being the "real" Ripper. A local magistrate thinks he didn't get a >> fair trial. > > Given there wasn't a trial as such, how could it have been fair? > > If they ever identify the Ripper, it would be a tragedy. > > For the book-trade, certainly. > > > -- > Graeme Wall > This account not read, substitute trains for rail. > Railway Miscellany at <http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail> I'm not sure why this is interesting - at least on the basis of the facts, of which there aren't many. The wild stories are better but not nearly wild enough to be interesting.

On 28/01/2015 08:48, laidlaws wrote: > > > Graeme Wall<[email protected]> wrote: >> On 28/01/2015 07:28, Charles Ellson wrote: >> > On Wed, 28 Jan 2015 07:25:28 +0000, Graeme Wall >> > <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> On 28/01/2015 06:45, laidlaws wrote: >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> laidlaws<[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>> eve via<[email protected]> wrote: > A BUCKS GENEALOGICAL >> SOCIETY >> >>>> TALK >> >>>>> The WHITECHAPEL MURDERS of the '90s have fascinated people for over >> >>>>> a century, especially those whose ancestors lived in the East End >> >>>> in those > scary times. Jack the Ripper was blamed - and has been >> >>>> identified with > various Victorian doctors, a Royal Prince, and >> more >> >>>> recently, on very shaky > evidence, a Russian Jew. One of the >> >>>> investigating team was a P C John > Neill, and (in costume) his near >> >>>> namesake, John Neal, a former London > policeman, has studied the >> >>>> crimes more searchingly, in the light of modern > techniques, and >> come >> >>>> to the conclusion that > JACK THE RIPPER WAS INNOCENT -OK? >> >>>>> Come and hear his theories, agree or disagree, on Saturday >> February >> >>>> 14 at > the Southcourt Community Centre, Prebendal Ave. Aylesbury >> HP21 >> >>>> 8LF > (parallel with Oxford Rd A418, just off ring road) 2 for >> >>>> 2.30pm Directions > and details: www.bucksgs.org.uk or >> >>>> [email protected] or 01844 291631 >> >>>>> Easy parking on site. >> >>>>> Visitors welcome, but no responsibility for fainting fits, shock or >> >>>> horrors! >> >>>>> EVE >> >>>>> Author of The McLaughlin Guides for Family Historians >> >>>>> Secretary, Bucks Genealogical Society >> >>>> If Jack the Ripper didn't do it, who did? >> >>>> -- >> >>>> Usenet Reader for Android >> >>>> http://android.newsgroupstats.hk >> >>> >> >>> What I meant to say is: The self-styled Jack the Ripper may be >> innocent, >> >>> but nowadays, the title refers to the real murderer. >> >> >> >> There was no self-styled Jack the Ripper, that title was a newspaper >> >> invention. Someone killed half a dozen prostitutes in East London >> in a >> >> messy fashion in the 1890s but we will never know now who the >> culprit was. >> >> >> > The National Archives have a letter (letters ?) purporting to be from >> > him but just signed "Jack". >> The 19th century equivalent of on-line trolls. >> > >> >> Won't stop people coming up with ever more fanciful theories though. >> -- >> Graeme Wall >> This account not read, substitute trains for rail. >> Railway Miscellany at <http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail> > > Apparently Scotland Yard showed the death mask of the suspect from > Victoria, Oz, > as being the "real" Ripper. A local magistrate thinks he didn't get a > fair trial. Given there wasn't a trial as such, how could it have been fair? If they ever identify the Ripper, it would be a tragedy. For the book-trade, certainly. -- Graeme Wall This account not read, substitute trains for rail. Railway Miscellany at <http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail>

On 28/01/2015 07:28, Charles Ellson wrote: > On Wed, 28 Jan 2015 07:25:28 +0000, Graeme Wall > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On 28/01/2015 06:45, laidlaws wrote: >>> >>> >>> laidlaws<[email protected]> wrote: >>>> eve via<[email protected]> wrote: > A BUCKS GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY >>>> TALK >>>>> The WHITECHAPEL MURDERS of the '90s have fascinated people for over >>>>> a century, especially those whose ancestors lived in the East End >>>> in those > scary times. Jack the Ripper was blamed - and has been >>>> identified with > various Victorian doctors, a Royal Prince, and more >>>> recently, on very shaky > evidence, a Russian Jew. One of the >>>> investigating team was a P C John > Neill, and (in costume) his near >>>> namesake, John Neal, a former London > policeman, has studied the >>>> crimes more searchingly, in the light of modern > techniques, and come >>>> to the conclusion that > JACK THE RIPPER WAS INNOCENT -OK? >>>>> Come and hear his theories, agree or disagree, on Saturday February >>>> 14 at > the Southcourt Community Centre, Prebendal Ave. Aylesbury HP21 >>>> 8LF > (parallel with Oxford Rd A418, just off ring road) 2 for >>>> 2.30pm Directions > and details: www.bucksgs.org.uk or >>>> [email protected] or 01844 291631 >>>>> Easy parking on site. >>>>> Visitors welcome, but no responsibility for fainting fits, shock or >>>> horrors! >>>>> EVE >>>>> Author of The McLaughlin Guides for Family Historians >>>>> Secretary, Bucks Genealogical Society >>>> If Jack the Ripper didn't do it, who did? >>>> -- >>>> Usenet Reader for Android >>>> http://android.newsgroupstats.hk >>> >>> What I meant to say is: The self-styled Jack the Ripper may be innocent, >>> but nowadays, the title refers to the real murderer. >> >> There was no self-styled Jack the Ripper, that title was a newspaper >> invention. Someone killed half a dozen prostitutes in East London in a >> messy fashion in the 1890s but we will never know now who the culprit was. >> > The National Archives have a letter (letters ?) purporting to be from > him but just signed "Jack". The 19th century equivalent of on-line trolls. > >> Won't stop people coming up with ever more fanciful theories though. -- Graeme Wall This account not read, substitute trains for rail. Railway Miscellany at <http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail>

On Wed, 28 Jan 2015 07:25:28 +0000, Graeme Wall <[email protected]> wrote: >On 28/01/2015 06:45, laidlaws wrote: >> >> >> laidlaws<[email protected]> wrote: >>> eve via<[email protected]> wrote: > A BUCKS GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY >>> TALK >>> > The WHITECHAPEL MURDERS of the '90s have fascinated people for over >>> > a century, especially those whose ancestors lived in the East End >>> in those > scary times. Jack the Ripper was blamed - and has been >>> identified with > various Victorian doctors, a Royal Prince, and more >>> recently, on very shaky > evidence, a Russian Jew. One of the >>> investigating team was a P C John > Neill, and (in costume) his near >>> namesake, John Neal, a former London > policeman, has studied the >>> crimes more searchingly, in the light of modern > techniques, and come >>> to the conclusion that > JACK THE RIPPER WAS INNOCENT -OK? >>> > Come and hear his theories, agree or disagree, on Saturday February >>> 14 at > the Southcourt Community Centre, Prebendal Ave. Aylesbury HP21 >>> 8LF > (parallel with Oxford Rd A418, just off ring road) 2 for >>> 2.30pm Directions > and details: www.bucksgs.org.uk or >>> [email protected] or 01844 291631 >>> > Easy parking on site. >>> > Visitors welcome, but no responsibility for fainting fits, shock or >>> horrors! >>> > EVE >>> > Author of The McLaughlin Guides for Family Historians >>> > Secretary, Bucks Genealogical Society >>> If Jack the Ripper didn't do it, who did? >>> -- >>> Usenet Reader for Android >>> http://android.newsgroupstats.hk >> >> What I meant to say is: The self-styled Jack the Ripper may be innocent, >> but nowadays, the title refers to the real murderer. > >There was no self-styled Jack the Ripper, that title was a newspaper >invention. Someone killed half a dozen prostitutes in East London in a >messy fashion in the 1890s but we will never know now who the culprit was. > The National Archives have a letter (letters ?) purporting to be from him but just signed "Jack". >Won't stop people coming up with ever more fanciful theories though.

On 28/01/2015 06:45, laidlaws wrote: > > > laidlaws<[email protected]> wrote: >> eve via<[email protected]> wrote: > A BUCKS GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY >> TALK >> > The WHITECHAPEL MURDERS of the '90s have fascinated people for over >> > a century, especially those whose ancestors lived in the East End >> in those > scary times. Jack the Ripper was blamed - and has been >> identified with > various Victorian doctors, a Royal Prince, and more >> recently, on very shaky > evidence, a Russian Jew. One of the >> investigating team was a P C John > Neill, and (in costume) his near >> namesake, John Neal, a former London > policeman, has studied the >> crimes more searchingly, in the light of modern > techniques, and come >> to the conclusion that > JACK THE RIPPER WAS INNOCENT -OK? >> > Come and hear his theories, agree or disagree, on Saturday February >> 14 at > the Southcourt Community Centre, Prebendal Ave. Aylesbury HP21 >> 8LF > (parallel with Oxford Rd A418, just off ring road) 2 for >> 2.30pm Directions > and details: www.bucksgs.org.uk or >> [email protected] or 01844 291631 >> > Easy parking on site. >> > Visitors welcome, but no responsibility for fainting fits, shock or >> horrors! >> > EVE >> > Author of The McLaughlin Guides for Family Historians >> > Secretary, Bucks Genealogical Society >> If Jack the Ripper didn't do it, who did? >> -- >> Usenet Reader for Android >> http://android.newsgroupstats.hk > > What I meant to say is: The self-styled Jack the Ripper may be innocent, > but nowadays, the title refers to the real murderer. There was no self-styled Jack the Ripper, that title was a newspaper invention. Someone killed half a dozen prostitutes in East London in a messy fashion in the 1890s but we will never know now who the culprit was. Won't stop people coming up with ever more fanciful theories though. -- Graeme Wall This account not read, substitute trains for rail. Railway Miscellany at <http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail>

> 1. In the 1960s, was it at all common for (Catholic) bodies to be > transported the kinds of distances from Herts to Yorks, in order to be > buried with a spouse (etc.)?# If the family concerned could afford it, this would seem very likely. It was a relatively simply transport job by them (but not cheap) I have seen records of a body being transported by train from High Wycombe to the Hebrides to reach the family burial plot, with all the complications of train changing/boat use that would have involved. > > 2. We know about DeceasedOnline, BillionGraves and the Ancestry and FMP > (etc.) parish records, and to look for burial intentions in wills and > historical newspaper articles. Do you know of any other useful sources > of interment information that might apply? I think you have covered it -if there was a memorial service in Buntingford, or even a death announcement , there could well be a newspaper report of the ultimate destination. > EVE Author of The McLaughlin Guides for Family Historians Secretary, Bucks Genealogical Society

On 2015-01-27 05:42:46 +0000, Geoff Pearson said: > "Jon Green" <[email protected]> wrote in message > news:[email protected] >> Hi all, >> >> I'm posting this, with consent, on behalf of a frustrated colleague, >> who's trying to track the burial place of a relative. >> >> (I don't have details of names or dates as yet - these questions are >> more for eliciting pointers I can pass on to my colleague, and perhaps >> include in the FAQs if they might be useful to others.) >> >> The lady in question joined the Catholic Church in order to marry her >> husband, who later died some time in the 1930s in Wakefield, Yorkshire. >> The lady lived on, dying in Buntingford, Hertfordshire, in the 1960s. >> Searches in Herts (including with the assistance of councils) have >> failed to find the lady's burial place. The assumption is that, having >> converted to Catholicism, she was buried rather than cremated. >> >> So, questions for the wise heads here assembled: >> >> 1. In the 1960s, was it at all common for (Catholic) bodies to be >> transported the kinds of distances from Herts to Yorks, in order to be >> buried with a spouse (etc.)? >> >> 2. We know about DeceasedOnline, BillionGraves and the Ancestry and FMP >> (etc.) parish records, and to look for burial intentions in wills and >> historical newspaper articles. Do you know of any other useful sources >> of interment information that might apply? >> >> Thanks in advance! >> >> Jon >> -- >> Maintainer, soc.genealogy.britain FAQs: www.genealogy-britain.org.uk >> *** WATCH OUT FOR THE SPAM BLOCK! *** >> Replace 'deadspam' with 'green-lines' to reply in email! > > Do you have the death certificate - it might offer a clue? However, > having cremated my mother in 2007, I'm not sure I could now find where > that happened - we didn't pay to put her name in the record book at the > crematorium (another vast bill). My father, cremated in 1973, the same. The Cemeteries and Crematoria dept of the local council would be able to supply the info. The Crematorium Register is different from the Book of Remembrance. The former being the equivalent of the burials register for a cemetery and the latter a memorial which is optional just like a gravestone would be. Though certainly in England it varies from local council to local council, some want a fee to check their burial/cremation records and others will answer email enquiries within a very short time without charge. -- Tickettyboo

"Jon Green" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] > Hi all, > > I'm posting this, with consent, on behalf of a frustrated colleague, who's > trying to track the burial place of a relative. > > (I don't have details of names or dates as yet - these questions are more > for eliciting pointers I can pass on to my colleague, and perhaps include > in the FAQs if they might be useful to others.) > > The lady in question joined the Catholic Church in order to marry her > husband, who later died some time in the 1930s in Wakefield, Yorkshire. > The lady lived on, dying in Buntingford, Hertfordshire, in the 1960s. > Searches in Herts (including with the assistance of councils) have failed > to find the lady's burial place. The assumption is that, having converted > to Catholicism, she was buried rather than cremated. > > So, questions for the wise heads here assembled: > > 1. In the 1960s, was it at all common for (Catholic) bodies to be > transported the kinds of distances from Herts to Yorks, in order to be > buried with a spouse (etc.)? > > 2. We know about DeceasedOnline, BillionGraves and the Ancestry and FMP > (etc.) parish records, and to look for burial intentions in wills and > historical newspaper articles. Do you know of any other useful sources of > interment information that might apply? > > Thanks in advance! > > Jon > -- > Maintainer, soc.genealogy.britain FAQs: www.genealogy-britain.org.uk > *** WATCH OUT FOR THE SPAM BLOCK! *** > Replace 'deadspam' with 'green-lines' to reply in email! Do you have the death certificate - it might offer a clue? However, having cremated my mother in 2007, I'm not sure I could now find where that happened - we didn't pay to put her name in the record book at the crematorium (another vast bill). My father, cremated in 1973, the same.

On 2015-01-26 23:00:01 +0000, Jon Green said: > Hi all, > > I'm posting this, with consent, on behalf of a frustrated colleague, > who's trying to track the burial place of a relative. > > (I don't have details of names or dates as yet - these questions are > more for eliciting pointers I can pass on to my colleague, and perhaps > include in the FAQs if they might be useful to others.) > > The lady in question joined the Catholic Church in order to marry her > husband, who later died some time in the 1930s in Wakefield, Yorkshire. > The lady lived on, dying in Buntingford, Hertfordshire, in the 1960s. > Searches in Herts (including with the assistance of councils) have > failed to find the lady's burial place. The assumption is that, having > converted to Catholicism, she was buried rather than cremated. > > So, questions for the wise heads here assembled: > > 1. In the 1960s, was it at all common for (Catholic) bodies to be > transported the kinds of distances from Herts to Yorks, in order to be > buried with a spouse (etc.)? > > 2. We know about DeceasedOnline, BillionGraves and the Ancestry and FMP > (etc.) parish records, and to look for burial intentions in wills and > historical newspaper articles. Do you know of any other useful sources > of interment information that might apply? > > Thanks in advance! > > Jon The assumption about burial rather than cremation because she was Catholic may be in error. I have seen a few RC deaths in the (admittedly later) 1960s where the choice was cremation. My only real experience of RC registers at that time is in the NE of England. Funeral registers for that time frame have been deposited with the local archives. They record when the Requiem Mass took place, and where they were buried or cremated ( and record which of the two were chosen). If your friend knows where this lady died, I'd start looking for the records of the nearest RC church. They may be deposited or may even still be in the parish. (though my experience is limited, I don't know if this is common throughout the country) Other than that, check the same in the area where her husband died , find where he was buried and yes, I suppose its possible her body was taken there for funeral/burial/cremation. A lot would depend on available funds to do that, if she had family who would arrange it etc. -- Tickettyboo

Hi all, I'm posting this, with consent, on behalf of a frustrated colleague, who's trying to track the burial place of a relative. (I don't have details of names or dates as yet - these questions are more for eliciting pointers I can pass on to my colleague, and perhaps include in the FAQs if they might be useful to others.) The lady in question joined the Catholic Church in order to marry her husband, who later died some time in the 1930s in Wakefield, Yorkshire. The lady lived on, dying in Buntingford, Hertfordshire, in the 1960s. Searches in Herts (including with the assistance of councils) have failed to find the lady's burial place. The assumption is that, having converted to Catholicism, she was buried rather than cremated. So, questions for the wise heads here assembled: 1. In the 1960s, was it at all common for (Catholic) bodies to be transported the kinds of distances from Herts to Yorks, in order to be buried with a spouse (etc.)? 2. We know about DeceasedOnline, BillionGraves and the Ancestry and FMP (etc.) parish records, and to look for burial intentions in wills and historical newspaper articles. Do you know of any other useful sources of interment information that might apply? Thanks in advance! Jon -- Maintainer, soc.genealogy.britain FAQs: www.genealogy-britain.org.uk *** WATCH OUT FOR THE SPAM BLOCK! *** Replace 'deadspam' with 'green-lines' to reply in email!

On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 21:41:39 +0000, [email protected] wrote: >On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 16:11:53 -0000, "Geoff Pearson" ><[email protected]> wrote: > >> >>"Tickettyboo" <[email protected]> wrote in message >>news:[email protected] >>> On 2015-01-17 06:19:02 +0000, Geoff Pearson said: >>> >>>> I've had an email this morning telling me that wills are now taking 18 >>>> days to deliver from GOV.uk - i was expecting one today. >>> >>> I had the same mail, so far no notification that the will and grant are >>> available but I looked this morning and they were there! >>> Have downloaded them, but the system seems to be flakey to say the least. >>> Worth checking back every now and then in case you don't get the >>> confirmation email. >>> -- >>> Tickettyboo >>> >> >>And Lo! Mine was there too when I checked after TB's message - delivered on >>19 January but no message saying so. >> >>Geoff > >I had the same thing happen, but only the "Grant" link worked, not the >will. The Grant had a two-page codicil attached, so on a cursory look >it might have been thought to be the whole thing. I mailed them. They >replied - "oh we can get it, here it is attached". It was the grant >and codicil again. I explained again, but silence followed. I mailed >again yesterday, explaining yet again, and they have at least >responded, saying they are dealing with it. >I hope it's a juicy one when it eventually DOES come. >Barbara > It finally came late today, attached to an e-mail from a named person, with apologies for the error and delay. It IS pretty interesting, I'm glad to say. But it took 24 days from my order on 2nd January. Needless to say, they took my money right up front! Barbara

Tickettyboo wrote: > > The ecommerce side of it seems to be functioning just fine, they took my > payment immediately with no problems. Ecommerce questionable. They've acknowledged my address, but won't give me the registration e-mail required to order a will (I have 2 so far in my basket, with the idea of getting 4). Therefore, I am blocked from giving them my money! Tried two different e-mails, two different browsers and two different computers. And I really need something to read when the snow is up to my "tutu"! [email protected]

On 25/01/15 23:28, Tickettyboo wrote: > On 2015-01-25 21:59:26 +0000, Ian Goddard said: > >> On 25/01/15 20:42, Tickettyboo wrote: >>> On 2015-01-25 16:27:40 +0000, Ian Goddard said: >>> >>>> On 25/01/15 16:01, Tickettyboo wrote: >>>>> On 2015-01-25 12:57:21 +0000, Tim Powys-Lybbe said: >>>>> >>>>>> On 25 Jan at 0:04, Tickettyboo <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> <snip for brevity> >>>>>> >>>>>>> You couldn't make this up if you tried. Two days 'after' I >>>>>>> downloaded >>>>>>> the will and grant, I finally get the email telling me they are >>>>>>> ready >>>>>>> to download. Gosh it makes the price hike of 66% seem almost >>>>>>> worth it >>>>>>> for the entertainment value! >>>>>> >>>>>> It sounds to me as if the whole exercise has been done by in-house IT >>>>>> people with no previous experience of running a large database for >>>>>> consumer purposes. >>>>>> >>>>>> If a commercial firm had been involved, it would presumably have been >>>>>> put out for tender Did anyone see any such thing. >>>>>> >>>>>> In some ways I would congratulate them for attempting a probably >>>>>> low-cost project after the large scale projects that have failed and >>>>>> cost the taxpayers megamillions. >>>>> >>>>> It is a commercial firm, Iron Mountain, http://www.ironmountain.co.uk >>>> >>>> Iron Mountain seem to be the go-to company for storage etc of paper >>>> records. Integration with a public-facing service like this is a >>>> different matter. >>> >>> Not sure how its a different matter. Its still documents, its still >>> digitisation and retrieval. In this case its failing to meet an >>> expected, minimum standard of efficiency. >>> >>> To this little Boo, it 'should' be fine, the principle is the same not >>> matter 'who' originally holds the info/documents ? >>> >> >> AFAIK Iron Mountain is usually looking after internal documents for >> companies. If someone wants to consult a document they'd be inside >> the company with some sort of VPN (virtual private network) to IM. >> I'd guess that hanging an ecommerce front end onto that is pretty new. >> That's why it advertises itself as being a beta product. > > The ecommerce side of it seems to be functioning just fine, they took my > payment immediately with no problems. They had plenty of time to test > out the delivery when they put the soldiers wills online. The fulfilling > of their end of the contract is sadly lacking - in many ways. As they > are being paid with my taxes (so I am therefore paying whether I use the > service or not) I find it very hard to be as forgiving as you seem to be. I'm not at all forgiving. It's just that /anything/ via the .gov.uk portal being a mess is to be expected. It seems that targets have been set to get a certain amount of stuff online via this portal by some specific date. In order to do that such niceties as proper planning and testing get pushed aside. If you talked to the people involved you'd probably get explanations along the lines of "mumble mumble agile mumble mumble scrum mumble". It's the modern way of delivering IT; not being a hipster from Hoxton I'm glad I'm out of it. -- Ian The Hotmail address is my spam-bin. Real mail address is iang at austonley org uk