On Sat, 31 Jan 2015 13:09:17 +0000, Jenny M Benson <[email protected]> wrote: >On 30/01/2015 16:15, Bob Campbell via wrote: >> >> >> >> >> Subject: looking for a Violet GEARY death registered in Surrey post >> 1980 to compare birthdates >> _If_ she didn't move from Croydon and died in the burgh then it should show up as Greater London rather than Surrey. The England and Wales wills index (https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills) has:- Violet May GEARY of Cosham, Hants in 1993 Violet Freda GEARY died 29 Jan 1996 There could be others where Violet is given as a middle name. >> I am trying to track down the last possible location for a Violet >> GEARY. What I do know about Violet IF she is mine........ born Violet >> CAMPBELL at Woolwich 12th July 1901 Shown in the 1911 census as a 9 >> year old at a Catholic Orphanage at Croydon Surrey. by the process of >> elimination there is a POSSIBLE marriage to Arthur W.C GEARY >> registered in the June 1/4 of 1919 by which time she would be 17 the >> couple had 5 children between 1920 and 1931 all born at Croydon. The >> registration of her husband Arthur William C. GEARY's death in 1969 >> at Surrey S.E. >> That will be somewhere around Reigate, Oxted, Caterham etc. :- http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/surrey%20south%20eastern.html There is no PRFD index entry for him in 1969-1970 which could be either because there was no/small estate or because assets were jointly owned with a spouse. Someone on Ancestry has that death claimed for Arthur Cyril GEARY, married to Violet CAMPBELL. >>No "most likely death registered for Violet any where >> on FreeBMD after 1969 , and likewise no second marriage. >> Both surnames (maiden/married) ? There is a Croydon district marriage for a Violet I GEARY :- Name: Leonard W Loveland Spouse Surname: Geary Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1940 Registration district: Croydon Inferred County: Surrey Volume Number: 2a Page Number: 2343 and these two deaths :- Violet Loveland 1899 Sep 1992 Surrey South-western Violet L Loveland abt 1902 Sep 1947 Surrey South Western the second one would match if "I" was actually "L" (or vice versa) and the death was before her birthday. >> Any help >> would be appreciated >> >Any chance she was the Violet Campbell, aged 11, who was shipped out to >Canada in 1913 aboard the Corsican? The large number of unaccompanied >(ie not with family) children suggests it was taking "British Home >Children" (I think they were called that) to Quebec. A very likely >outcome for a child in orphanage at that time.
On 30/01/2015 16:15, Bob Campbell via wrote: > > > > > Subject: looking for a Violet GEARY death registered in Surrey post > 1980 to compare birthdates > > I am trying to track down the last possible location for a Violet > GEARY. What I do know about Violet IF she is mine........ born Violet > CAMPBELL at Woolwich 12th July 1901 Shown in the 1911 census as a 9 > year old at a Catholic Orphanage at Croydon Surrey. by the process of > elimination there is a POSSIBLE marriage to Arthur W.C GEARY > registered in the June 1/4 of 1919 by which time she would be 17 the > couple had 5 children between 1920 and 1931 all born at Croydon. The > registration of her husband Arthur William C. GEARY's death in 1969 > at Surrey S.E. No "most likely death registered for Violet any where > on FreeBMD after 1969 , and likewise no second marriage. Any help > would be appreciated > Any chance she was the Violet Campbell, aged 11, who was shipped out to Canada in 1913 aboard the Corsican? The large number of unaccompanied (ie not with family) children suggests it was taking "British Home Children" (I think they were called that) to Quebec. A very likely outcome for a child in orphanage at that time. -- Jenny M Benson
On 30/01/2015 16:15, Bob Campbell via wrote: > > > > > Subject: looking for a Violet GEARY death registered in Surrey post 1980 > to compare birthdates > > I am trying to track down the last possible location for a Violet GEARY. > What I do know about Violet IF she is mine........ > born Violet CAMPBELL at Woolwich 12th July 1901 > Shown in the 1911 census as a 9 year old at a Catholic Orphanage at Croydon > Surrey. > by the process of elimination there is a POSSIBLE marriage to Arthur W.C > GEARY > registered in the June 1/4 of 1919 by which time she would be 17 First thing to do is check the marriage certificate to confirm you have the right one. > the couple had 5 children between 1920 and 1931 all born at Croydon. > The registration of her husband Arthur William C. GEARY's death in 1969 > at Surrey > S.E. > No "most likely death registered for Violet any where on FreeBMD after > 1969 , and likewise > no second marriage. > Any help would be appreciated > There are quite a few death's for Violet Geary listed on Ancestry. Most of them have a middle name but as a Catholic (presumably) she may have adopted her baptismal name. -- Graeme Wall This account not read, substitute trains for rail. Railway Miscellany at <http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail>
On 30/01/2015 21:23, Gordon wrote: > Hi > > I'm not a uniform expert but he could be in the RAF and wearing an army > tunic in WW1. The RAF was formed from both the Army and Navy in the > later years of the war, 1917/18 I believe. The men transferred would not > immediately have been issued new uniforms, (that would have been a very > low priority) so the early members of the RAF would have worn both Army > and Navy uniforms. I don't think the RAF uniform "appeared" until after > the War. > My grandfather married in September 1918. In the wedding photos his elder brother can be seen proudly wearing his RAF uniform. -- Graeme Wall This account not read, substitute trains for rail. Railway Miscellany at <http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail>
On 30/01/2015 20:18, Richard Smith wrote: > Is anyone here an expert on WWI military uniforms? If so, could they > take a quick glance at this photograph? > > http://www.wikitree.com/photo/png/Smith-76395 > > It's of my great uncle, aged about 17 and wearing what seems to be an > WWI-era British army tunic. In later life, however, he claimed to be in > the RAF during WWI. His name (George Smith) makes it too difficult to > verify this in the historical record, but I was hoping someone might be > able to tell me whether it's an RAF or an army tunic. > The RAF wasn't formed until April 1918, from the Royal Flying Corp (Army) and the royal Navay Air Service (Navy) So your gt-uncle would probably have been in the RFC initially. -- Graeme Wall This account not read, substitute trains for rail. Railway Miscellany at <http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail>
Subject: looking for a Violet GEARY death registered in Surrey post 1980 to compare birthdates I am trying to track down the last possible location for a Violet GEARY. What I do know about Violet IF she is mine........ born Violet CAMPBELL at Woolwich 12th July 1901 Shown in the 1911 census as a 9 year old at a Catholic Orphanage at Croydon Surrey. by the process of elimination there is a POSSIBLE marriage to Arthur W.C GEARY registered in the June 1/4 of 1919 by which time she would be 17 the couple had 5 children between 1920 and 1931 all born at Croydon. The registration of her husband Arthur William C. GEARY's death in 1969 at Surrey S.E. No "most likely death registered for Violet any where on FreeBMD after 1969 , and likewise no second marriage. Any help would be appreciated Cheers from Bob
On 30/01/15 21:23, Charles Ellson wrote: > There was no RAF until April 1918, prior to that it was the Royal > Flying Corps which was part of the Army and using its general style > and colour of uniform although it did have a distinct pattern of tunic > :- > http://www.sofmilitary.co.uk/re-enactor-info/british/british-ww1-soldier-uniforms-and-equipment/ww1-1915-royal-flying-corp-flight-sgt-pilot.aspx > [http://tinyurl.com/lfyqyyl] Interesting. The tunic he's wearing certainly isn't the design shown on that page. The collar is quite different. He was only 17 when the war ended, so he couldn't have been in it for very long. It seemed to me quite likely he joined straight into the RAF in the closing months of the war. But now it seems the army tunic is perhaps evidence that he was in the army (possibly the RFC) before that. > Many soldiers were moved around various corps/regiments during WW1, > some very soon after joining up, so it could easily be a "my new job" > photograph with the uniform soon becoming out of date. That's quite possible. I found the photo in a box of family papers and photos that appear to have been his grandmother's, packed up when the house was sold and forgotten for several generations. It's easy to imagine him sending a "new job" photo to his grandmother when he first signed up. Richard
On 30/01/2015 20:18, Richard Smith wrote: > Is anyone here an expert on WWI military uniforms? If so, could they > take a quick glance at this photograph? > > http://www.wikitree.com/photo/png/Smith-76395 > > It's of my great uncle, aged about 17 and wearing what seems to be an > WWI-era British army tunic. In later life, however, he claimed to be in > the RAF during WWI. His name (George Smith) makes it too difficult to > verify this in the historical record, but I was hoping someone might be > able to tell me whether it's an RAF or an army tunic. > > Richard Try asking on the Great War Forum, there is lot of expertise there. http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?act=idx
On Fri, 30 Jan 2015 20:18:16 +0000, Richard Smith <[email protected]> wrote: >Is anyone here an expert on WWI military uniforms? If so, could they >take a quick glance at this photograph? > > http://www.wikitree.com/photo/png/Smith-76395 > >It's of my great uncle, aged about 17 and wearing what seems to be an >WWI-era British army tunic. In later life, however, he claimed to be in >the RAF during WWI. His name (George Smith) makes it too difficult to >verify this in the historical record, but I was hoping someone might be >able to tell me whether it's an RAF or an army tunic. > There was no RAF until April 1918, prior to that it was the Royal Flying Corps which was part of the Army and using its general style and colour of uniform although it did have a distinct pattern of tunic :- http://www.sofmilitary.co.uk/re-enactor-info/british/british-ww1-soldier-uniforms-and-equipment/ww1-1915-royal-flying-corp-flight-sgt-pilot.aspx [http://tinyurl.com/lfyqyyl] "Many officers transferred into the Corps from other regiments and continued to wear their former uniforms with just the addition of a pilots or observers badge" [http://www.armyflying.com/royal-flying-corps-rfc-officers-pattern-tunic/] Many soldiers were moved around various corps/regiments during WW1, some very soon after joining up, so it could easily be a "my new job" photograph with the uniform soon becoming out of date.
Hi I'm not a uniform expert but he could be in the RAF and wearing an army tunic in WW1. The RAF was formed from both the Army and Navy in the later years of the war, 1917/18 I believe. The men transferred would not immediately have been issued new uniforms, (that would have been a very low priority) so the early members of the RAF would have worn both Army and Navy uniforms. I don't think the RAF uniform "appeared" until after the War. Good hunting Gordon "Richard Smith" wrote in message news:[email protected] Is anyone here an expert on WWI military uniforms? If so, could they take a quick glance at this photograph? http://www.wikitree.com/photo/png/Smith-76395 It's of my great uncle, aged about 17 and wearing what seems to be an WWI-era British army tunic. In later life, however, he claimed to be in the RAF during WWI. His name (George Smith) makes it too difficult to verify this in the historical record, but I was hoping someone might be able to tell me whether it's an RAF or an army tunic. Richard
Is anyone here an expert on WWI military uniforms? If so, could they take a quick glance at this photograph? http://www.wikitree.com/photo/png/Smith-76395 It's of my great uncle, aged about 17 and wearing what seems to be an WWI-era British army tunic. In later life, however, he claimed to be in the RAF during WWI. His name (George Smith) makes it too difficult to verify this in the historical record, but I was hoping someone might be able to tell me whether it's an RAF or an army tunic. Richard
Not my families [Strays] This MI at Cabarlah, Queensland, Australia Cornelius COLLINS, died 22 Sep 1922, 84 yrs, Merlin, Co. Cork, Ireland wife Margaret & son Simon W. COLLINS., MI, Cabarlah Simon William was a benefactor to the Mt Olivett Hospital, Brisbane Margaret COLLINS died 25 Nov 1933 There MI's can be found here. http://www.toowoombarc.qld.gov.au/facilities-and-recreation/cemeteries Last name Collins First name(s) Maurice Date of death 8 January 1953 Date of burial 9 January 1953 Age at death 85 Cemetery Cabarlah Cemetery Internment number RC1-00D-0043 Queensland BDM'S can be found here for descendants https://www.qld.gov.au/law/births-deaths-marriages-and-divorces/family-history-research/
Not my Families [STRAYS] Hope this helps someone. Bev Details of their burials can be found here http://www.toowoombarc.qld.gov.au/facilities-and-recreation/cemeteries Simply put their name in the Deceased Search Box GARRETT, Isaac , d. 03.07.1910, 80 yrs, nat/o Wiltshire; ENG. with Ann J. GARRETT., MI, Cabarlah GARRETT, Ann Jane, d. 13.09.1900, 67 yrs, nat/o Co. Armagh; IRE., MI, Cabarlah No parents are Recorded on his death Registration. Ann is the daughter of William HAMILTON BDM'S for Queensland, Australia can be found here https://www.qld.gov.au/law/births-deaths-marriages-and-divorces/family-history-research/
laidlaws<[email protected]> wrote: > Graeme Wall<[email protected]> wrote: > > On 29/01/2015 13:34, laidlaws wrote: > > > > > > > > > B. Edmonds via<[email protected]> wrote: > > >> Not my family. [STRAY] > > >> Agnes BAXTER [nee BOWNESS] d. 19. Oct 1918, 86 yrs, she is recorded as > > >> born Orton, Westmoreland, ENG., her MI is at Goombungee, Queensland, > > >> Australia > > >> Agnes [above] was married to William Charles BAXTER and their daughter > > >> Alice c 1869 was also buried at Goombungee. > > >> She [Alice c 1869] died 25 May 1961 aged 92 was the widow of Thomas > > >> HANDFORD c 1875 of South Molten, Devon, England > > >> Mary Ellen BAXTER died 16 Nov 1922 and was buried at Goombungee 17 Nov > > >> 1922 aged 63. She is the d/o William BAXTER and Agnes BOWNESS. > > >> Her tombstone reads > > >> Mary Ellen BAXTER died November 5th 1922 aged 63 [her death date > > >> differs from Council burial records] Native of Darlington, Durham, > > >> England > > >> http://www.toowoombarc.qld.gov.au/facilities-and-recreation/cemeteries > > >> I do not know where William Charles BAXTER got to or where he is buried. > > >> Regards > > >> Bev > > > > > > A family tree on Ancestry.com says his full name was William Charles > > > Brodley Baxter > > > and he died 31 Aug 1906 back in England, aged 74. His wife's surname is > > > given as BOWNAS. > > > There are several William Baxters who died in that year. > > > > > > HTH, > > > > > Though FreeBMD has no William Charles Baxters died that year > > -- > > Graeme Wall > > This account not read, substitute trains for rail. > > Railway Miscellany at <http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail> > I thought it was pretty improbable. The date isn't a quarterly one. Other trees say that > Agnes first married William WINDER on 15 Nov 1852 at St Mary, Dalton in Furness Lancs. > There was a son THOMAS Baxter born 1862 in Durham, who died in Melbourne on 19 Jul 1949, > No. 7711 of 1949, son of William Baxter and "Agnes Bonus." Sounds like cases of "The name's > the same," but I will keep looking. Mary was born in Durham. The FreeBMD has a Thomas > born in Jul 1862 in Huddersfield, Yorkshire West Riding. My computer has self-destructed, > and I am working from a tablet, temporarily. I don't have the Digger discs. > -- > Usenet Reader for Android > http://android.newsgroupstats.hk Family tree at www.theycametheystayed.com/p46.htm#c15906.3 quoting Ancestry's date from Mundia (which seems to have died?) -- Usenet Reader for Android http://android.newsgroupstats.hk
Graeme Wall<[email protected]> wrote: > On 29/01/2015 13:34, laidlaws wrote: > > > > > > B. Edmonds via<[email protected]> wrote: > >> Not my family. [STRAY] > >> Agnes BAXTER [nee BOWNESS] d. 19. Oct 1918, 86 yrs, she is recorded as > >> born Orton, Westmoreland, ENG., her MI is at Goombungee, Queensland, > >> Australia > >> Agnes [above] was married to William Charles BAXTER and their daughter > >> Alice c 1869 was also buried at Goombungee. > >> She [Alice c 1869] died 25 May 1961 aged 92 was the widow of Thomas > >> HANDFORD c 1875 of South Molten, Devon, England > >> Mary Ellen BAXTER died 16 Nov 1922 and was buried at Goombungee 17 Nov > >> 1922 aged 63. She is the d/o William BAXTER and Agnes BOWNESS. > >> Her tombstone reads > >> Mary Ellen BAXTER died November 5th 1922 aged 63 [her death date > >> differs from Council burial records] Native of Darlington, Durham, > >> England > >> http://www.toowoombarc.qld.gov.au/facilities-and-recreation/cemeteries > >> I do not know where William Charles BAXTER got to or where he is buried. > >> Regards > >> Bev > > > > A family tree on Ancestry.com says his full name was William Charles > > Brodley Baxter > > and he died 31 Aug 1906 back in England, aged 74. His wife's surname is > > given as BOWNAS. > > There are several William Baxters who died in that year. > > > > HTH, > > > Though FreeBMD has no William Charles Baxters died that year > -- > Graeme Wall > This account not read, substitute trains for rail. > Railway Miscellany at <http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail> I thought it was pretty improbable. The date isn't a quarterly one. Other trees say that Agnes first married William WINDER on 15 Nov 1852 at St Mary, Dalton in Furness Lancs. There was a son THOMAS Baxter born 1862 in Durham, who died in Melbourne on 19 Jul 1949, No. 7711 of 1949, son of William Baxter and "Agnes Bonus." Sounds like cases of "The name's the same," but I will keep looking. Mary was born in Durham. The FreeBMD has a Thomas born in Jul 1862 in Huddersfield, Yorkshire West Riding. My computer has self-destructed, and I am working from a tablet, temporarily. I don't have the Digger discs. -- Usenet Reader for Android http://android.newsgroupstats.hk
B. Edmonds via<[email protected]> wrote: > Not my family. [STRAY] > Agnes BAXTER [nee BOWNESS] d. 19. Oct 1918, 86 yrs, she is recorded as born > Orton, Westmoreland, ENG., her MI is at Goombungee, Queensland, Australia > Agnes [above] was married to William Charles BAXTER and their daughter Alice > c 1869 was also buried at Goombungee. > She [Alice c 1869] died 25 May 1961 aged 92 was the widow of Thomas > HANDFORD c 1875 of South Molten, Devon, England > Mary Ellen BAXTER died 16 Nov 1922 and was buried at Goombungee 17 Nov 1922 > aged 63. She is the d/o William BAXTER and Agnes BOWNESS. > Her tombstone reads > Mary Ellen BAXTER died November 5th 1922 aged 63 [her death date differs > from Council burial records] Native of Darlington, Durham, England > http://www.toowoombarc.qld.gov.au/facilities-and-recreation/cemeteries > I do not know where William Charles BAXTER got to or where he is buried. > Regards > Bev A family tree on Ancestry.com says his full name was William Charles Brodley Baxter and he died 31 Aug 1906 back in England, aged 74. His wife's surname is given as BOWNAS. There are several William Baxters who died in that year. HTH, Doug. -- Usenet Reader for Android http://android.newsgroupstats.hk
On 26/01/2015 23:00, Jon Green wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm posting this, with consent, on behalf of a frustrated colleague, > who's trying to track the burial place of a relative. [...] Thanks, all, for your help. I'll pass on your pearls of wisdom! Jon -- Maintainer, soc.genealogy.britain FAQs: www.genealogy-britain.org.uk *** WATCH OUT FOR THE SPAM BLOCK! *** Replace 'deadspam' with 'green-lines' to reply in email!
On 29/01/2015 13:34, laidlaws wrote: > > > B. Edmonds via<[email protected]> wrote: >> Not my family. [STRAY] >> Agnes BAXTER [nee BOWNESS] d. 19. Oct 1918, 86 yrs, she is recorded as >> born Orton, Westmoreland, ENG., her MI is at Goombungee, Queensland, >> Australia >> Agnes [above] was married to William Charles BAXTER and their daughter >> Alice c 1869 was also buried at Goombungee. >> She [Alice c 1869] died 25 May 1961 aged 92 was the widow of Thomas >> HANDFORD c 1875 of South Molten, Devon, England >> Mary Ellen BAXTER died 16 Nov 1922 and was buried at Goombungee 17 Nov >> 1922 aged 63. She is the d/o William BAXTER and Agnes BOWNESS. >> Her tombstone reads >> Mary Ellen BAXTER died November 5th 1922 aged 63 [her death date >> differs from Council burial records] Native of Darlington, Durham, >> England >> http://www.toowoombarc.qld.gov.au/facilities-and-recreation/cemeteries >> I do not know where William Charles BAXTER got to or where he is buried. >> Regards >> Bev > > A family tree on Ancestry.com says his full name was William Charles > Brodley Baxter > and he died 31 Aug 1906 back in England, aged 74. His wife's surname is > given as BOWNAS. > There are several William Baxters who died in that year. > > HTH, > Though FreeBMD has no William Charles Baxters died that year -- Graeme Wall This account not read, substitute trains for rail. Railway Miscellany at <http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail>
On 25/01/15 21:12, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: >> It is a commercial firm, Iron Mountain, http://www.ironmountain.co.uk > > Then it is a disgrace. Shades of Quockup and the 1901 census. It may be a commercial firm -- am I'm only going on the reports on this group that it is -- but it will be the result of a government contract and all that red tape that entails. I don't know whether you have any direct experience of the government's IT procurement procedures. If you have, you won't be surprised by the result; or perhaps you'll be surprised that it's functioning as well as it is. The problem is that the procurement process is so tortuous that has become a specialism in its own right. Companies wishing to tend for such contracts rarely do so themselves: instead they use teams of consultants who understand the procure process, but that lack detailed knowledge of the relevant fields. The cost of tendering spirals, and the companies tendering charge on the basis that they will win only a fraction of the contracts, and must recoup the significant costs of tendering the lost contracts from the successful ones. And because the process has been handled by generalists without the relevant technical experience, they can end up committing to something that the cannot feasibly be implemented. This increases the value of the contract to account for the probability that they'll either have to pay penalties for failing to achieve what they were contracted to do. By this point the contracts are so expensive that the government thinks its necessary to monitor in detail compliance with the contract and check that it had a good cost-benefit ratio. Of course this costs money too. The end effect is to inflate the cost by an astronomical amount: in some cases I've seen, by a factor of a hundred. And it works less well than it would have done had it been implemented for a hundredth of the cost. The whole thing is a criminal waste of money. Richard
Graeme Wall<[email protected]> wrote: > On 28/01/2015 07:28, Charles Ellson wrote: > > On Wed, 28 Jan 2015 07:25:28 +0000, Graeme Wall > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> On 28/01/2015 06:45, laidlaws wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> laidlaws<[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> eve via<[email protected]> wrote: > A BUCKS GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY > >>>> TALK > >>>>> The WHITECHAPEL MURDERS of the '90s have fascinated people for over > >>>>> a century, especially those whose ancestors lived in the East End > >>>> in those > scary times. Jack the Ripper was blamed - and has been > >>>> identified with > various Victorian doctors, a Royal Prince, and more > >>>> recently, on very shaky > evidence, a Russian Jew. One of the > >>>> investigating team was a P C John > Neill, and (in costume) his near > >>>> namesake, John Neal, a former London > policeman, has studied the > >>>> crimes more searchingly, in the light of modern > techniques, and come > >>>> to the conclusion that > JACK THE RIPPER WAS INNOCENT -OK? > >>>>> Come and hear his theories, agree or disagree, on Saturday February > >>>> 14 at > the Southcourt Community Centre, Prebendal Ave. Aylesbury HP21 > >>>> 8LF > (parallel with Oxford Rd A418, just off ring road) 2 for > >>>> 2.30pm Directions > and details: www.bucksgs.org.uk or > >>>> [email protected] or 01844 291631 > >>>>> Easy parking on site. > >>>>> Visitors welcome, but no responsibility for fainting fits, shock or > >>>> horrors! > >>>>> EVE > >>>>> Author of The McLaughlin Guides for Family Historians > >>>>> Secretary, Bucks Genealogical Society > >>>> If Jack the Ripper didn't do it, who did? > >>>> -- > >>>> Usenet Reader for Android > >>>> http://android.newsgroupstats.hk > >>> > >>> What I meant to say is: The self-styled Jack the Ripper may be innocent, > >>> but nowadays, the title refers to the real murderer. > >> > >> There was no self-styled Jack the Ripper, that title was a newspaper > >> invention. Someone killed half a dozen prostitutes in East London in a > >> messy fashion in the 1890s but we will never know now who the culprit was. > >> > > The National Archives have a letter (letters ?) purporting to be from > > him but just signed "Jack". > The 19th century equivalent of on-line trolls. > > > >> Won't stop people coming up with ever more fanciful theories though. > -- > Graeme Wall > This account not read, substitute trains for rail. > Railway Miscellany at <http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail> Apparently Scotland Yard showed the death mask of the suspect from Victoria, Oz, as being the "real" Ripper. A local magistrate thinks he didn't get a fair trial. If they ever identify the Ripper, it would be a tragedy. -- Usenet Reader for Android http://android.newsgroupstats.hk