On 06/02/2015 14:28, hownhelcymru wrote: > The date of 1540 for the will seems to be reasonable, given that the son appears to have been the rector in 1835. > Thank you for the information re the usual citing of wills. Pardon? There's close on 300 years difference. -- Graeme Wall This account not read, substitute trains for rail. Railway Miscellany at <http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail>
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The date of 1540 for the will seems to be reasonable, given that the son appears to have been the rector in 1835. Thank you for the information re the usual citing of wills. I have contacted TNA and will update when I get a reply. Helenor Jones
On 05/02/15 18:54, hownhelcymru wrote: > Thank you for the reply. The will was referenced in an old article. I > would like to see it for myself, but cannot find it. How old is old? If it's late 19th / early 20th century, the usual way of referencing a PCC will from 1540 would be "PCC 18 Alenger" where Alenger is the name given to the piece covering wills 1540-41, and 18 is the quire number. If the citation is not written like that, it's possible it's referring to a different collection of wills. Maybe someone here knows whether any other wills were kept at Somerset House. Is 1540 definitely a date? Or could it be a reference number that's not based on the date? If it's definitely a year, is it the year the will was written, or the year it was proved? Richard
Checking my transcript for burials at Biddenham, Bedfordshire against the NBI on FMP, I noticed two 1840 burials with the surname omitted. This is probably because the surname was MISSING, not beacause the surname was missing! Steven --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com
On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 09:42:18 +0000, Ian Goddard <[email protected]> wrote: >On 04/02/15 23:46, Kate wrote: >> >> >> "eve via" wrote in message >> news:[email protected] >> >> >>> >>> Would someone with access to FMP be kind enough to send me a copy of >>> the the >>> burial/death record for James WARD, died 1788, St James Westminster. I >>> placed it as Middlesex as it didn't show as Westminster. I already >>> have his >>> Will. >>> The death record for his brother has not survived and James is my last >>> hope >>> in the search for their parents. >> >> You are unlikely to get any help from finding the burial entry for >> James. In >> 1788, you mostly get just the name of the person and date of burial. (not >> even an age unless he was very old indeed fior the time). The will would >> have been a better bet, since wills often mention brothers (and looking for >> two in a family is more productive than looking for one.) >> However, if he held any copyhold property, track down the manorial records, >> since these may often show inheritance of land from a father (or uncle). >> If he >> only acquired it by purchase, he was just being difficult. >> EVE >> >> >> Author of The McLaughlin Guides for Family Historians >> Secretary, Bucks Genealogical Society >> >> I was hoping a burial record might have stated "son of...". > >IME you only get that sort of annotation in the burials of children. > Occasionally also if there is more than one of the same name and place and that is the chosen style of disambiguation.
Anne Chambers wrote: >James Healey, aged 30, this is possibly his death registration Name: Albert James Healey Birth Date: 28 Feb 1926 Date of Registration: Mar 1976 Age at Death: 50 Registration district: Stoke on Trent Inferred County: Staffordshire Volume: 39 Page: 1743 -- Anne Chambers South Australia anne dot chambers at bigpond dot com
> > the > > burial/death record for James WARD, died 1788, St James Westminster. I > > placed it as Middlesex as it didn't show as Westminster. I already have > > his > > Will. > > The death record for his brother has not survived and James is my last > > hope > > in the search for their parents. > > You are unlikely to get any help from finding the burial entry for James. In > 1788, you mostly get just the name of the person and date of burial. (not > even an age unless he was very old indeed fior the time). The will would > have been a better bet, since wills often mention brothers (and looking for > two in a family is more productive than looking for one.) > However, if he held any copyhold property, track down the manorial records, > since these may often show inheritance of land from a father (or uncle). If > he > only acquired it by purchase, he was just being difficult. > EVE > Another approach is Apprentice Tax records. You don't say roughlu how old he was, but if he was in a trade and born after 1697 before c 1738, then he should have been apprenticed, and most apprentice entries pre 1752 will show the name of the father and usually his location. These records are on Ancestry. Select 'Probate and Tax', then 'Tax' and scroll right down to (something like) Register of Duties paid for Apprenticeship Indentures' Failing James, look for the brothers. EVE Author of The McLaughlin Guides for Family Historians Secretary, Bucks Genealogical Society
Anne Chambers wrote: > [email protected] wrote: >> Alfred James Healey and Halliday (nickname) 'Razorslasher' who escaped Dartmoor prison in the mid 1900's I >> have looked everywhere but the records can anyone help? or anything on Alfred James Healey. thankyou >> Also from The Times Saturday, Jan 22, 1955; pg. 6 "PRISONERS RECAPTURED Two men who escaped from Princetown (Dartmoor) prison yesterday were recaptured shortly before 1a.m. today after a British Road Services lorry crashed during a pursuit by police cars. Both the men were said to have been badly injured. The prisoners, John Thomnas Halliday, aged 32, and James Healey, aged 30, escaped from a working party inside the prison grounds, climbed the wall and got away onto the moor." -- Anne Chambers South Australia anne dot chambers at bigpond dot com
[email protected] wrote: > Alfred James Healey and Halliday (nickname) 'Razorslasher' who escaped Dartmoor prison in the mid 1900's I > have looked everywhere but the records can anyone help? or anything on Alfred James Healey. thankyou > From The Times January 24 1955, page 4 "RECAPTURED PRISONERS "COMFORTABLE" INJURED IN ESCAPE ATTEMPT Two Dartmoor prisoners who were recaptured early on Saturday morning when a lorry in which they were attempting to escape crashed, and who were taken to hospital in Plymouth, were stated yesterday to be "fairly comfortable" They are John Thomas Halliday and James Healey. They were at liberty for about 13 hours after escaping on Friday from a working party and scaling the prison wall. The lorry crashed into the Devon side of a bridge over the river Tamar after a police car had given chase." -- Anne Chambers South Australia anne dot chambers at bigpond dot com
On 04/02/15 18:20, hownhelcymru wrote: > Help please! > > I have a reference to a will of 1540, but it is a Somerset House Reference. > > The reference is merely 1540 number 18 Assuming 1540 is the year, then 18 is not the page number the quire number for a PCC will. Richard
Thank you for the reply. The will was referenced in an old article. I would like to see it for myself, but cannot find it. I will perhaps end up quoting the article and referring people to it. Think I will get in touch with TNA and ask them. Thanks Helenor Jones
"eve via" wrote in message news:[email protected] > > Would someone with access to FMP be kind enough to send me a copy of the > the > burial/death record for James WARD, died 1788, St James Westminster. I > placed it as Middlesex as it didn't show as Westminster. I already have > his > Will. > The death record for his brother has not survived and James is my last > hope > in the search for their parents. You are unlikely to get any help from finding the burial entry for James. In 1788, you mostly get just the name of the person and date of burial. (not even an age unless he was very old indeed fior the time). The will would have been a better bet, since wills often mention brothers (and looking for two in a family is more productive than looking for one.) However, if he held any copyhold property, track down the manorial records, since these may often show inheritance of land from a father (or uncle). If he only acquired it by purchase, he was just being difficult. EVE Author of The McLaughlin Guides for Family Historians Secretary, Bucks Genealogical Society I was hoping a burial record might have stated "son of...". I know there were four siblings from reading the Will of his brother William, James Will only mentions his own children. I have always thought brother William was the elder of these two but have no evidence to support this. I have searched for the Will of the third brother who was living in William's home but it sounds as though he was being supported by William so no luck there so far. I have previously searched for parents who might be related to all four but I can only find maybe two with an uncertain third depending on whether parents moved to another area and there is always the possibility father married twice. Back to the drawing board. Thank you for responding. Regards Kate Sydney, Australia
"Jenny M Benson" wrote in message news:[email protected] On 04/02/2015 03:18, Kate wrote: > > > Would someone with access to FMP be kind enough to send me a copy of the > the burial/death record for James WARD, died 1788, St James Westminster. > I placed it as Middlesex as it didn't show as Westminster. I already > have his Will. > The death record for his brother has not survived and James is my last > hope in the search for their parents. There is only a James Ward buried at St Clement Dane's in that year. No details at all except his name and the month June. -- Jenny M Benson Hi Jenny So disappointing but thanks very much for trying Regards Kate Sydney, Australia
On 04/02/15 23:46, Kate wrote: > > > "eve via" wrote in message > news:[email protected] > > >> >> Would someone with access to FMP be kind enough to send me a copy of >> the the >> burial/death record for James WARD, died 1788, St James Westminster. I >> placed it as Middlesex as it didn't show as Westminster. I already >> have his >> Will. >> The death record for his brother has not survived and James is my last >> hope >> in the search for their parents. > > You are unlikely to get any help from finding the burial entry for > James. In > 1788, you mostly get just the name of the person and date of burial. (not > even an age unless he was very old indeed fior the time). The will would > have been a better bet, since wills often mention brothers (and looking for > two in a family is more productive than looking for one.) > However, if he held any copyhold property, track down the manorial records, > since these may often show inheritance of land from a father (or uncle). > If he > only acquired it by purchase, he was just being difficult. > EVE > > > Author of The McLaughlin Guides for Family Historians > Secretary, Bucks Genealogical Society > > I was hoping a burial record might have stated "son of...". IME you only get that sort of annotation in the burials of children. -- Ian The Hotmail address is my spam-bin. Real mail address is iang at austonley org uk
Many, actually the majority of Dartmoor records were destroyed in the 1930's during a riot at the prison. There is Dartmoor Prison Museum, which it might be worth contacting. Their web address is http://www.dartmoor-prison.co.uk Newspapers may have carried some details. Have a look at GENUKI www.genuki.org.uk I say usually because there is the facility for a D notice to be issued, which means data is frozen to be published in the media, each case is reviewed on its own merit, with of course public safety & national security are the drivers for the decisions made. Usually prisoner records are sealed for 100 years from the last record entry. One further opportunity might be to contact the Halliday One Name / Surname researcher. The study is registered with he Guild of One Name Studies www.one-name.org Insert Halliday in the search box (top right) & that provides a link to the study registrar, Chris Halliday. Regards, Julie Goucher www.anglers-rest.net www.anglersrest.net Sent from my iPad > On 5 Feb 2015, at 01:19, pogmothoinsoith via <[email protected]> wrote: > > Alfred James Healey and Halliday (nickname) 'Razorslasher' who escaped Dartmoor prison in the mid 1900's I have looked everywhere but the records can anyone help? or anything on Alfred James Healey. thankyou > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 18:10:56 -0800 (PST), [email protected] wrote: >On Thursday, 5 February 2015 01:19:10 UTC, [email protected] wrote: >> Alfred James Healey and Halliday (nickname) 'Razorslasher' who escaped Dartmoor prison in the mid 1900's I have looked everywhere but the records can anyone help? or anything on Alfred James Healey. thankyou > >Albert* > Re the escape or the man ? This one maybe :- Albert James HEALY b abt 1862 Soberton, Hampshire d. Chester 22 Oct 1951 (from wills index) married to Jane BUT the 1911 census shows him as a civil assistant in the Ordnance Survey which seems a bit unlikely for an ex-prisoner. There are about 7 plain Albert HEALYs in the 1891 census in England. There is an Albert HEALEY b abt 1882 in Harrogate shown in the Wakefield prison register, committed in 1900 in York for theft. He was a tailor who had previously been in Newcastle prison with a note which seems to read "5 years a del reformatory school".
On 2015-02-04 03:29:29 +0000, Bob Campbell via said: > If only I could register as a researcher, but this seems impossible > with an address and postcode outside of the UK! You don't need to register to search and save pages -- Tickettyboo
> > Would someone with access to FMP be kind enough to send me a copy of the the > burial/death record for James WARD, died 1788, St James Westminster. I > placed it as Middlesex as it didn't show as Westminster. I already have his > Will. > The death record for his brother has not survived and James is my last hope > in the search for their parents. You are unlikely to get any help from finding the burial entry for James. In 1788, you mostly get just the name of the person and date of burial. (not even an age unless he was very old indeed fior the time). The will would have been a better bet, since wills often mention brothers (and looking for two in a family is more productive than looking for one.) However, if he held any copyhold property, track down the manorial records, since these may often show inheritance of land from a father (or uncle). If he only acquired it by purchase, he was just being difficult. EVE Author of The McLaughlin Guides for Family Historians Secretary, Bucks Genealogical Society
On Thursday, 5 February 2015 01:19:10 UTC, [email protected] wrote: > Alfred James Healey and Halliday (nickname) 'Razorslasher' who escaped Dartmoor prison in the mid 1900's I have looked everywhere but the records can anyone help? or anything on Alfred James Healey. thankyou Albert*