> Quite a lot of my relations in the late 19th and early 20th century were > sailors in the merchant navy. On my mother's side, many were qualified > master mariners; on my father's more often they were lower-ranking crew > on larger ships. Is anyone aware of any records that might be helpful > in adding details to their bare names and vital dates? TNA have extensive Merchant Navy records, particularly the register of Merchant seamen from 1835, with lists of ships, opening access to log books from 1850, with voyage details. Download their leaflet to see the slightly different coverage at different dates. Masters and Mates tickets were kept from 1845. I would also recommend the (rather more clearly explained) book by Chris and Michael Watts, 'My Ancestor was a Merchant Seaman (pub SOG) There are certain records at the National Maritime Museum - applications for Masters' certificates, for example, but you need the number from TNA first, Modern records from 1929 may be in Cardiff. If a seaman died leaving family in need, there may be a Trinity House Petition (film at SOG and some printed. Lloyd's Captains registers from 1869-1948 show birth dates, place of qualification, voyages etc. losses of ships. The Mariners Mirror has a lot of background stuff too. EVE Author of The McLaughlin Guides for Family Historians Secretary, Bucks Genealogical Society

> Thomas Howlett, Married, Honor Blythe, 13 Sep 1803 in Metfield Norfolk > he was a Blacksmith and Died 1840 > > I have a date for his birth (1795) but feel sure it (or the wedding date) is > incorrect, given he would have married at age 8 You have a date for a Baptism of A Thomas Howlett. BUT 1. It was a common enough name in Norfolk -you may have the wrong one. 2. Children were not necessarily baptised as infants - have you checked the actual registers to see if it is a multiple late baptism or if a birth date is given for once? If not, I would do that, and also look for more baptisms, not necessarily in the same parish. Some of the Howletts were framers -try wills to see if they help. > EVE Author of The McLaughlin Guides for Family Historians Secretary, Bucks Genealogical Society

13 February 2015 at 10:47, john wrote: Re: Thomas Howlett Married 13 Sep 1803 Metfield (at least in part) Thanks for that >On 13/02/2015 09:36, [email protected] wrote: >> Thomas Howlett, Married, Honor Blythe, 13 Sep 1803 in Metfield Norfolk >> he was a Blacksmith and Died 1840 >> I have a date for his birth (1795) but feel sure it (or the wedding date) is >> incorrect, given he would have married at age 8 >> >> They had (at least) two children >> >> Thomas Howlett 1817 >> Caroline Howlett 1825 >> >> I know no more of Caroline >> >> Any more info please >> > >Unlikely to have married in 1803 and not had children until 1817 > > From FreeReg: >County Norfolk >Place Easton >Church St. Peters >MarriageDate 13 Sep 1813 >GroomForename Thomas >GroomSurname HOWLETT >GroomCondition Bachelor >BrideForename Honour >BrideSurname BLYTH >WitnessOneForename Henry >WitnessOneSurname WARD >WitnessTwoForename Elizabeth >WitnessTwoSurname WHITING >Notes Married With Consent Of Parents. Bride And Groom Signed. First >Witness Made His Mark. >FileNumber 12406 >familysearch.org also has Rachel b1827 I've now found a lot more children to trace on down, ansd two dates for the wedding 13th & 19th Sep 1813, depending on which site you search

"Adrian Gray via" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] > Subject: Oxford Catholic Registers >> Does anyone know if the registers of Catholic baptisms are accessible for >> Oxford from the 1940s? >> >> Because they're relatively recent, they may still be "active", and they >> may >> even be closed to public access. I just wondered if anyone here has such >> knowledge, or can suggest where to look. >> >> Tony Proctor >> > > Try here, Tony - if they don't know, I'm sure they'll know who knows. > > http://www.oxfordoratory.org.uk/contact.php > > Adrian Thanks Adrian. I'll drop them a line. Tony Proctor

On 13/02/2015 09:36, [email protected] wrote: > Thomas Howlett, Married, Honor Blythe, 13 Sep 1803 in Metfield Norfolk > he was a Blacksmith and Died 1840 > > I have a date for his birth (1795) but feel sure it (or the wedding date) is > incorrect, given he would have married at age 8 > > They had (at least) two children > > Thomas Howlett 1817 > Caroline Howlett 1825 > > I know no more of Caroline > > Any more info please > Unlikely to have married in 1803 and not had children until 1817 From FreeReg: County Norfolk Place Easton Church St. Peters MarriageDate 13 Sep 1813 GroomForename Thomas GroomSurname HOWLETT GroomCondition Bachelor BrideForename Honour BrideSurname BLYTH WitnessOneForename Henry WitnessOneSurname WARD WitnessTwoForename Elizabeth WitnessTwoSurname WHITING Notes Married With Consent Of Parents. Bride And Groom Signed. First Witness Made His Mark. FileNumber 12406 familysearch.org also has Rachel b1827

Thomas Howlett, Married, Honor Blythe, 13 Sep 1803 in Metfield Norfolk he was a Blacksmith and Died 1840 I have a date for his birth (1795) but feel sure it (or the wedding date) is incorrect, given he would have married at age 8 They had (at least) two children Thomas Howlett 1817 Caroline Howlett 1825 I know no more of Caroline Any more info please

Quite a lot of my relations in the late 19th and early 20th century were sailors in the merchant navy. On my mother's side, many were qualified master mariners; on my father's more often they were lower-ranking crew on larger ships. Is anyone aware of any records that might be helpful in adding details to their bare names and vital dates? Richard

Subject: Oxford Catholic Registers > Does anyone know if the registers of Catholic baptisms are accessible for > Oxford from the 1940s? > > Because they're relatively recent, they may still be "active", and they may > even be closed to public access. I just wondered if anyone here has such > knowledge, or can suggest where to look. > > Tony Proctor > Try here, Tony - if they don't know, I'm sure they'll know who knows. http://www.oxfordoratory.org.uk/contact.php Adrian

On 11/02/2015 17:43, Tony Proctor wrote: > "Jill Dyke" <[email protected]> wrote in message > news:[email protected] >> I have a death certificate dated the 6th Feb 1842 for William SAUNDERS an >> agricultral labourer who died aged 68 in Sevenoaks Union Workhouse in Kent. >> >> I have now seen on FamilySearch a burial 9th Feb 1842 at Chiddingstone, >> Kent for William SAUNDERS age 65. >> >> I think this is probably the same man but I am unable to find this William >> SAUNDERS in the 1841 Census. >> >> I am hoping that this is the William SAUNDERS that baptised a daughter >> Eliza on the 12th April 1818 at Edenbridge, Kent and was probably married >> on 29th June 1817 at Sundridge, Kent. >> >> I have seen a 1820 settlement examination for William SAUNDERS residing in >> Edenbridge. this states that he was born in Crowhurst (no county >> specified) and had settlement in Chiddingstone. >> >> Can anybody help with an 1841 Census entry or a baptism for William? >> >> Jill > I could only see one William Saunders in Kent of roughly the right age, and > who was an Ag. lab. who didn't appear to be married. However, the odd thing > is that FMP appear to have indexed the same 1841 census page twice. > > As far as I can see, the following two pages are identical in their index: > > Piece number 457 > Book number 6 > Folio number 5 > Page number 6 > > Piece number 459 > Book number 4 > Folio number 3 > Page number 6 > > Tony Proctor > Thanks for looking Looking at the image the second one has been crossed through and both are for the parish of Cooling which seems rather far away. Jill

On 11/02/2015 13:14, CWatters wrote: > On 10/02/2015 14:07, Jill Dyke wrote: >> I have a death certificate dated the 6th Feb 1842 for William SAUNDERS >> an agricultral labourer who died aged 68 in Sevenoaks Union Workhouse in >> Kent. > > There is one in the Union Workhouse Hollingbourn further east. Wrong > age and born locally so perhaps unlikely. > > Name: William Saunders > Age: 75 > Estimated birth year: abt 1766 > Gender: Male > Where born: Kent, England > Civil Parish: Hollingbourn > Hundred: Eyhorne > County/Island: Kent > Country: England > Street address: Occupation: Image says Ag. Lab. > View image > Registration district: Hollingbourn > Sub-registration district: Hollingbourn > Thanks for this although as you say it doesn't look very likely Of course Edenbridge is on the edge of Kent and he only has to go a little way to be in Surrey or Sussex. Jill

On 11/02/2015 16:06, john wrote: > On 10/02/2015 20:29, john wrote: >> On 10/02/2015 18:18, johnfhhgen via wrote: >>> On 10/02/2015 2:07 PM, Jill Dyke via wrote: >>>> I have a death certificate dated the 6th Feb 1842 for William SAUNDERS >>>> an agricultral labourer who died aged 68 in Sevenoaks Union >>>> Workhouse in >>>> Kent. >>>> I have now seen on FamilySearch a burial 9th Feb 1842 at >>>> Chiddingstone, >>>> Kent for William SAUNDERS age 65. >>>> I think this is probably the same man but I am unable to find this >>>> William SAUNDERS in the 1841 Census. >>>> I am hoping that this is the William SAUNDERS that baptised a daughter >>>> Eliza on the 12th April 1818 at Edenbridge, Kent and was probably >>>> married on 29th June 1817 at Sundridge, Kent. >>>> I have seen a 1820 settlement examination for William SAUNDERS >>>> residing >>>> in Edenbridge. this states that he was born in Crowhurst (no county >>>> specified) and had settlement in Chiddingstone. >>>> Can anybody help with an 1841 Census entry or a baptism for William? >>>> Jill >>> Can you help us reduplicating efforts by letting us know what Surname >>> variants you have already searched? E.g. SANDERS, LANDERS, TANDERS, >>> SAUNDESS and so on. >>> The handwriting in the 1841 EBs is often difficult. >>> Regards, >>> John Henley >>> >> >> I had a look using FMP to search the 1841 census but the new search is >> terrible - unless you already know how what you want to find has been >> indexed!! >> I did try name variants e.g. *ders, *der without any success. >> >> I couldn't find any Sevenoaks Union Workhouse (St John's Hill Workhouse) >> entries so do not know whether the workhouse was included in the 1841 >> census. >> >> > I've now found the Sevenoaks Union Workhouse on FMP. I needed to put > Sevenoaks Union in Street field (not Sevenoaks Union Workhouse); some > other workhouses are under House name. > No sign of William Saunders in the Sevenoaks Union Workhouse in 1841 > census. Thanks for looking Jill

"Tony Proctor" <[email protected]_NoMore_SPAM.net> wrote in message news:[email protected] > > I could only see one William Saunders in Kent of roughly the right age, > and who was an Ag. lab. who didn't appear to be married. However, the odd > thing is that FMP appear to have indexed the same 1841 census page twice. > > As far as I can see, the following two pages are identical in their index: > > Piece number 457 > Book number 6 > Folio number 5 > Page number 6 > > Piece number 459 > Book number 4 > Folio number 3 > Page number 6 That's because the pages are identical, except that the latter has been crossed through. These things happen. Steven --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

"Jill Dyke" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] >I have a death certificate dated the 6th Feb 1842 for William SAUNDERS an >agricultral labourer who died aged 68 in Sevenoaks Union Workhouse in Kent. > > I have now seen on FamilySearch a burial 9th Feb 1842 at Chiddingstone, > Kent for William SAUNDERS age 65. > > I think this is probably the same man but I am unable to find this William > SAUNDERS in the 1841 Census. > > I am hoping that this is the William SAUNDERS that baptised a daughter > Eliza on the 12th April 1818 at Edenbridge, Kent and was probably married > on 29th June 1817 at Sundridge, Kent. > > I have seen a 1820 settlement examination for William SAUNDERS residing in > Edenbridge. this states that he was born in Crowhurst (no county > specified) and had settlement in Chiddingstone. > > Can anybody help with an 1841 Census entry or a baptism for William? > > Jill I could only see one William Saunders in Kent of roughly the right age, and who was an Ag. lab. who didn't appear to be married. However, the odd thing is that FMP appear to have indexed the same 1841 census page twice. As far as I can see, the following two pages are identical in their index: Piece number 457 Book number 6 Folio number 5 Page number 6 Piece number 459 Book number 4 Folio number 3 Page number 6 Tony Proctor

On 10/02/2015 20:29, john wrote: > On 10/02/2015 18:18, johnfhhgen via wrote: >> On 10/02/2015 2:07 PM, Jill Dyke via wrote: >>> I have a death certificate dated the 6th Feb 1842 for William SAUNDERS >>> an agricultral labourer who died aged 68 in Sevenoaks Union Workhouse in >>> Kent. >>> I have now seen on FamilySearch a burial 9th Feb 1842 at Chiddingstone, >>> Kent for William SAUNDERS age 65. >>> I think this is probably the same man but I am unable to find this >>> William SAUNDERS in the 1841 Census. >>> I am hoping that this is the William SAUNDERS that baptised a daughter >>> Eliza on the 12th April 1818 at Edenbridge, Kent and was probably >>> married on 29th June 1817 at Sundridge, Kent. >>> I have seen a 1820 settlement examination for William SAUNDERS residing >>> in Edenbridge. this states that he was born in Crowhurst (no county >>> specified) and had settlement in Chiddingstone. >>> Can anybody help with an 1841 Census entry or a baptism for William? >>> Jill >> Can you help us reduplicating efforts by letting us know what Surname >> variants you have already searched? E.g. SANDERS, LANDERS, TANDERS, >> SAUNDESS and so on. >> The handwriting in the 1841 EBs is often difficult. >> Regards, >> John Henley >> > > I had a look using FMP to search the 1841 census but the new search is > terrible - unless you already know how what you want to find has been > indexed!! > I did try name variants e.g. *ders, *der without any success. > > I couldn't find any Sevenoaks Union Workhouse (St John's Hill Workhouse) > entries so do not know whether the workhouse was included in the 1841 > census. > > I've now found the Sevenoaks Union Workhouse on FMP. I needed to put Sevenoaks Union in Street field (not Sevenoaks Union Workhouse); some other workhouses are under House name. No sign of William Saunders in the Sevenoaks Union Workhouse in 1841 census.

On 10/02/2015 14:07, Jill Dyke wrote: > I have a death certificate dated the 6th Feb 1842 for William SAUNDERS > an agricultral labourer who died aged 68 in Sevenoaks Union Workhouse in > Kent. There is one in the Union Workhouse Hollingbourn further east. Wrong age and born locally so perhaps unlikely. Name: William Saunders Age: 75 Estimated birth year: abt 1766 Gender: Male Where born: Kent, England Civil Parish: Hollingbourn Hundred: Eyhorne County/Island: Kent Country: England Street address: Occupation: Image says Ag. Lab. View image Registration district: Hollingbourn Sub-registration district: Hollingbourn

Does anyone know if the registers of Catholic baptisms are accessible for Oxford from the 1940s? Because they're relatively recent, they may still be "active", and they may even be closed to public access. I just wondered if anyone here has such knowledge, or can suggest where to look. Tony Proctor

On 10/02/2015 18:18, johnfhhgen via wrote: > On 10/02/2015 2:07 PM, Jill Dyke via wrote: >> I have a death certificate dated the 6th Feb 1842 for William SAUNDERS >> an agricultral labourer who died aged 68 in Sevenoaks Union Workhouse in >> Kent. >> I have now seen on FamilySearch a burial 9th Feb 1842 at Chiddingstone, >> Kent for William SAUNDERS age 65. >> I think this is probably the same man but I am unable to find this >> William SAUNDERS in the 1841 Census. >> I am hoping that this is the William SAUNDERS that baptised a daughter >> Eliza on the 12th April 1818 at Edenbridge, Kent and was probably >> married on 29th June 1817 at Sundridge, Kent. >> I have seen a 1820 settlement examination for William SAUNDERS residing >> in Edenbridge. this states that he was born in Crowhurst (no county >> specified) and had settlement in Chiddingstone. >> Can anybody help with an 1841 Census entry or a baptism for William? >> Jill > Can you help us reduplicating efforts by letting us know what Surname > variants you have already searched? E.g. SANDERS, LANDERS, TANDERS, > SAUNDESS and so on. > The handwriting in the 1841 EBs is often difficult. > Regards, > John Henley > I had a look using FMP to search the 1841 census but the new search is terrible - unless you already know how what you want to find has been indexed!! I did try name variants e.g. *ders, *der without any success. I couldn't find any Sevenoaks Union Workhouse (St John's Hill Workhouse) entries so do not know whether the workhouse was included in the 1841 census.

On 10/02/2015 2:07 PM, Jill Dyke via wrote: > I have a death certificate dated the 6th Feb 1842 for William SAUNDERS > an agricultral labourer who died aged 68 in Sevenoaks Union Workhouse in > Kent. > I have now seen on FamilySearch a burial 9th Feb 1842 at Chiddingstone, > Kent for William SAUNDERS age 65. > I think this is probably the same man but I am unable to find this > William SAUNDERS in the 1841 Census. > I am hoping that this is the William SAUNDERS that baptised a daughter > Eliza on the 12th April 1818 at Edenbridge, Kent and was probably > married on 29th June 1817 at Sundridge, Kent. > I have seen a 1820 settlement examination for William SAUNDERS residing > in Edenbridge. this states that he was born in Crowhurst (no county > specified) and had settlement in Chiddingstone. > Can anybody help with an 1841 Census entry or a baptism for William? > Jill Can you help us reduplicating efforts by letting us know what Surname variants you have already searched? E.g. SANDERS, LANDERS, TANDERS, SAUNDESS and so on. The handwriting in the 1841 EBs is often difficult. Regards, John Henley

I have a death certificate dated the 6th Feb 1842 for William SAUNDERS an agricultral labourer who died aged 68 in Sevenoaks Union Workhouse in Kent. I have now seen on FamilySearch a burial 9th Feb 1842 at Chiddingstone, Kent for William SAUNDERS age 65. I think this is probably the same man but I am unable to find this William SAUNDERS in the 1841 Census. I am hoping that this is the William SAUNDERS that baptised a daughter Eliza on the 12th April 1818 at Edenbridge, Kent and was probably married on 29th June 1817 at Sundridge, Kent. I have seen a 1820 settlement examination for William SAUNDERS residing in Edenbridge. this states that he was born in Crowhurst (no county specified) and had settlement in Chiddingstone. Can anybody help with an 1841 Census entry or a baptism for William? Jill

On Mon, 9 Feb 2015 11:38:17 +0000, Tim Powys-Lybbe <[email protected]> wrote: [...] >This whole thing puts The National Archives into a very good light. >They have copied all the pre 1858 wills in PCC and deliver them to us >immediately instead of within 10 working days. Further they only charge >£3-30 apiece instead of £10. And they cover their full costs. I had assumed that TNA (/ PRO) digitised to save the use of microform and the space required. Delivery to those not in their buildings doesn't necessarily include all the costs of digitisation.