All I'd like to thank everyone who contributed some advice and thoughts on my post although perhaps I should have made it clearer how much work I have done on my grandmother's history. It really is a 'brickwall'; I haven't just started thinking about it last week. I'm also very experienced in historical research and understand what evidence is, so I do object somewhat to Marg M's comments about 'guessing', but I assume she meant well! I didn't want to go into too much detail in my first post, but realize that that gave the wrong impression. Well, the list /is///quietandso,atriskofboringpeople,I'vegiventhewholestory belowandset up a mini-website <http://www.serieux.entadsl.com/Jenkins/index> for those interested detailing mydocumentation. I should also add that I live in the UK, so only have access to records that aren't online when I'm back home (rarely). Although I do plan to ask my brother to try and find the Clare v Clare divorce papers for me next time he's in Melbourne -- but of course if anyone else ... What I guess I was hoping for was that: * Someone has access to local church records to perhaps find details of a baptism given that I'm beginning to suspect that the birth was either not registered or was under another name as Kerry pointed out. * Alternatively, someone has knowledge of the Jenkins' family or Deniliquin. * Someone has access to the actual Melbourne Herald/Sun for 1965 to check for any death notices for me to see if that helps (I've looked through the Age for that year with no success). * Someone is related to me and has done all the work and has the actual answer (this is a fantasy!) Some obvious leads (see documentation for why!)for me to work on might be found at * the Royal Women's in Carlton. * the hostel in Carlton (which still appears to exist). * Kyneton cemetery. * the undertakers. Here's the whole story: Long after everyone involved was dead, I was told by a family member (who knew nothing more about it), that my mother had been adopted and that her birth mother had been someone we'd always called 'Auntie Lil' CLARE who had died in the mid 1960s. I had known that Auntie Lil's husband had been Bert CLARE, but I assume that they'd separated by the mid 1950s, as I never met nor heard anything further about him. Fortunately, in the state of Victoria, the children of adoptees have the same access to original birth papers, so I could request my mother's. Working from there I obtained the other information and certificates. I hasten to add that all this is the result of a lot of searching and elimination of other possibilities. I've particularly done a lot of page by page searching on Trove, at the state library when home and in the library edition of Ancestry.com from the UK. I have done a lot of work on the Jenkins's of Deniliquin (including electoral rolls into the 20^th century) and made complete family trees of those early generations without success. There are two main family branches in this period (Edward C and Samuel J) and, intriguingly, their parents who appear to be the first immigrants are William Edward and Annie JENKINS (who are mentioned as parents on the death certificate). However that's just one of many results that are not quite right enough to be certain. Lydia GA JENKINS, with mother Agnes, and Agnes Annie JENKINS on the electoral roll in 1903 are two others. I've also looked at every JENKINS birth in NSW and Victoria for the relevant period without definitive success. Jenkins is a common name and Lillian (and variants) was a popular name around the turn of the century (three of my grandmothers born in this period are called Lillian). I'm sure she's there somewhere -- I imagine I'm just looking in the wrong place at the moment; one day ... But, again, thanks for reading all this and for coming up with suggestions Best Lloyd