Thanks again, Kate. Yes, the 1879 one could well be her. I did find the 1899 one in Ancestry last night and it gave the location of death as the Sunbury Lunatic Asylum (that might explain the vagueness about her age, I thought). I managed to locate her in the PROV online records for that institution but then realised the age was not right. Sad reading, though was nice to see some as "cured". Lee-Ann, thanks very much for finding Thomas Darbyshire. I appreciate it. I wasn't aware that pre 1900 TAS records are available via FamilySearch.org (I had been using that site for other searches). I'll order the cert. cheers, Martin