Hi I am new to genealogy and the list. I can see what you mean about ancestory being wrong. (I will be weary about it from now on) I have Charles William Smiths B/Cert and he was born in NSW 1870. I have his marraige Cert in Vict 1904 to Alma M M Rossau, this is were it states his first wife died in 1900 and 3 children living. (no name) I have a birth Cert of George Bell Smith 1907 Northcote Vict, father Charles William Smith aged 36 years. THis is where it gets messy Children Listed as - William Frederick 3 Years old Then FROM PREVIOUS MARRAIGE Charles William - 16 yrs 11 mths John August - 16 yrs Maraget Ann -12 yrs I cant find births of these children. Or anything about first wife, who died. Maybe the Susan Wales you mentioned as his mother could be his first wife?? Regards Jen "FarmI" <ask@itshall be given> wrote in message news:-c6dnUFCf4uYVpnWnZ2dnUVZ_qqdnZ2d@westnet.com.au... > "jen" <jgil6052@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message >> Hi Joanne >> >> And thank you for your support and help. >> I will look forward to info from you when you have the time. > > Joanne is quite right, there are trees on Ancestry which include Alma > ROSSAU, with a husband of Charles William SMITH. I looked at 2. > > I don't know if you are new to genealogy or just to the list. If you are > new to genealogy be wary of accepting anything that appears on Ancestry as > they are often wrong and could send you off in the wrong direction. If > you're an old hand you'll probably know that anyway. For example, I > decided to check some trees for a convict I have been researching and > found lots of trees and in those trees I found lots of wrong information. > The marriage year for the convict was wrong in at least 5 of the trees and > gave no date but all had the same wrong year. One tree had the right year > but the wrong date and month - this was the most accurate tree and the > others were all wildly wrong but clearly it was the same convict. > > One of the trees for your people has some oddities. > > Prob 1) there is a female born before Charles William SMITH (the son born > in 1890 according to that tree) who is listed as 'living'. It might be a > clue that there was an earlier birth of a female than you know about for > Charles and his first wife but clearly if this person was still alive > they'd be about 120. > > Prob 2) all children who appear from the female born before Charles > William (born 1890) and including John and Margaret are listed as being > the children of Charles William SMITH and Alma ROSSAU. There is no > mention on that tree of a first marriage. > > That tree also gives the name for John as being John Augustine (not > August) but the birth year is the same as you gave. > > The other tree says that the mother of Charles William (B 1890) is Susan > WALES born Victoria in 1870 and died in 1900 in Victoria. Susan SMITH is > not a great help in the unique names when hunting for deaths but it's > something I guess. > > Do you have the certs for the two children you mentioned? If you don't > then I would recommend you try to get them to confirm the mother's name. > > > "Joanne Flack" <bell.bird@bigpond.com> wrote in message >> news:mailman.282.1258586675.2037.genanz@rootsweb.com... >> Hi Jen >> >> This List shouldhelp each other and especially new Listers. I cannot >> reply other than through the above address and not the newsgroup. So, >> the thread will not flow on. I have found your family an Ancestry, there >> are many Trees: >> >> Alma Marie Martha Rossau >> Birth: 1881 - Germany >> Death: 1969 - Victoria, Australia >> Marriage: 1904 - Australia >> Spouse: Charles William Smith >> >> Father: >> Carl Wilhelm Adolph Rossau >> Mother: >> Henrietta Marie Augusta Gunsman >> >> Charles William Smith >> Birth 17 jul 1870 >> a.. in Sarah Ann street, Sydney, NSW >> b.. Death 11 jan 1955 in North Fitzroy, >> It mentions all the children. Three from first marriage and five from >> the second. >> >> I will compile the info for you, but will be away for a few days, so I >> wont be until next week. Hope this of some help, Jen. >> >> Cheers >> Joanne >> Wyee NSW >> > >

jen wrote: > Hi > I am new to genealogy and the list. I can see what you mean about > ancestory being wrong. (I will be weary about it from now on) > I have Charles William Smiths B/Cert and he was born in NSW 1870. > > I have his marraige Cert in Vict 1904 to Alma M M Rossau, this is were it > states his first wife died in 1900 and 3 children living. (no name) > > I have a birth Cert of George Bell Smith 1907 Northcote Vict, father > Charles William Smith aged 36 years. > THis is where it gets messy > > Children Listed as - William Frederick 3 Years old > Then FROM PREVIOUS MARRAIGE > Charles William - 16 yrs 11 mths > John August - 16 yrs > Maraget Ann -12 yrs > > I cant find births of these children. > Or anything about first wife, who died. > Maybe the Susan Wales you mentioned as his mother could be his first wife?? > Regards > Jen Jen All three children were born in Victoria to Charles and Susan Smith nee Wales. Digger - Federation Index. Victoria 1889-1901 Surname: SMITH Given Names: Chas Wm Event: B Sex: M Spouse Surname/Father: Chas Wm Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Susan WALES Age: Age Code: Birth Place: CARLTON Death Place: Year: 1890 Reg. Number: 1418 Surname: SMITH Given Names: Jno Augustine Event: B Sex: M Spouse Surname/Father: Chas Wm Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Susan WALES Age: Age Code: Birth Place: CARL Death Place: Year: 1892 Reg. Number: 11618 Surname: SMITH Given Names: Margt Annie Event: B Sex: F Spouse Surname/Father: Chas Wm Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Susan WALES Age: Age Code: Birth Place: HOTHAM EAST Death Place: Year: 1895 Reg. Number: 21641 You can go online at https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=purchaseImage and download an uncertificed image for $17.50. Here is the death of his first wife Digger - Federation Index. Victoria 1889-1901 Surname: SMITH Given Names: Susan Event: D Sex: Spouse Surname/Father: Wales Jno Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Jessie RANKIN Age: 27 Age Code: Birth Place: Death Place: Bgo Year: 1900 Reg. Number: 11778 I think you may have confused everyone by the subject heading NSW BDM. I have been searching through the NSW records trying to find your entries for you. Until the last couple of posts I was unaware that the records and certificates that you had were from Victoria. Julie

"jen" <jgil6052@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message news:p%4Nm.55868$ze1.44395@news-server.bigpond.net.au... > Hi > I am new to genealogy and the list. Welcome to the pastime. >I can see what you mean about > ancestory being wrong. (I will be weary about it from now on) > I have Charles William Smiths B/Cert and he was born in NSW 1870. > > I have his marraige Cert in Vict 1904 to Alma M M Rossau, this is were it > states his first wife died in 1900 and 3 children living. (no name) > > I have a birth Cert of George Bell Smith 1907 Northcote Vict, father > Charles William Smith aged 36 years. > THis is where it gets messy > > Children Listed as - William Frederick 3 Years old > Then FROM PREVIOUS MARRAIGE > Charles William - 16 yrs 11 mths > John August - 16 yrs > Maraget Ann -12 yrs > > I cant find births of these children. > Or anything about first wife, who died. > Maybe the Susan Wales you mentioned as his mother could be his first > wife?? Hi Jen Yes. That's what the ancestry tree says, as follows: the mother of Charles William (born in 1890) is listed as being Susan Wales - she is the wife of the Charles William born in about 1870. See: >> The other tree says that the mother of Charles William (B 1890) is Susan >> WALES born Victoria in 1870 and died in 1900 in Victoria. Susan SMITH is >> not a great help in the unique names when hunting for deaths but it's >> something I guess. >> >> Do you have the certs for the two children you mentioned? If you don't >> then I would recommend you try to get them to confirm the mother's name. >> >> >> "Joanne Flack" <bell.bird@bigpond.com> wrote in message >>> news:mailman.282.1258586675.2037.genanz@rootsweb.com... >>> Hi Jen >>> >>> This List shouldhelp each other and especially new Listers. I cannot >>> reply other than through the above address and not the newsgroup. So, >>> the thread will not flow on. I have found your family an Ancestry, >>> there are many Trees: >>> >>> Alma Marie Martha Rossau >>> Birth: 1881 - Germany >>> Death: 1969 - Victoria, Australia >>> Marriage: 1904 - Australia >>> Spouse: Charles William Smith >>> >>> Father: >>> Carl Wilhelm Adolph Rossau >>> Mother: >>> Henrietta Marie Augusta Gunsman >>> >>> Charles William Smith >>> Birth 17 jul 1870 >>> a.. in Sarah Ann street, Sydney, NSW >>> b.. Death 11 jan 1955 in North Fitzroy, >>> It mentions all the children. Three from first marriage and five from >>> the second. >>> >>> I will compile the info for you, but will be away for a few days, so I >>> wont be until next week. Hope this of some help, Jen. >>> >>> Cheers >>> Joanne >>> Wyee NSW >>> >> >> > >