On Wednesday, 24 March 1999 19:00:00 UTC+11, Julie wrote: > Whilst indexing the Whroo Cemetery for the GSV I noticed an inscription > record which related to NZ and thought someone might be interested. > (Whroo was seven kilometres south of the central Victorian town of > Rushworth and first settled in 1853. The last resident moved away in > 1953...according to the preamble compiled by James & Nicola Thomson in > 1996.) > > Most of the graves are now unmarked due to the use of wooden markers. > Some have headstones though as follows for the NZ connection:- > > "In memoriam Ellen Sammon who was born at Middle Line, County Galway, > Ireland and departed this life 14th January 1869 aged 23 years. Monument > has been erected by her affectionate brother Michael SAMMON of Otago, New > Zealand." > > > Other names with headstones include:- > > NORTHAUSEN > LEWIS > SHARP > DARROCH > LAW > MOTTON > PETTIFER > LLOYD > JOHNSON > TAYLOR > WILSON > BAUD > BAZELEY > HAINES > HORSBURGH & wife nee HENDERSON, & HORSBURGH nee BROWN > > Hope this helps somebody, I have just published a website devoted to Whroo cemetery. www.whroocemeteryinterments.weebly.com Its got lots of pics and info

Anything is possible now that we know he must have arrived prior to 1871 Sorry about Photobucket try this "Canth" wrote in message news:4knj19tpo0eqm33o12aal4ojq630ut02f4@4ax.com... On Sun, 25 Aug 2013 18:25:58 +1000, "Kate" <ktms@live.com> wrote: >Hello all > >This new birth certificate has given an insight to the children born in the >USA. Very interesting. > >It will possibly do away with Pentonville, America which William put on his >son's Death certificate, might prove to be Pensylvania. Dad being upset >when >giving the information and knew it was Pen... something and being English >Pentonville sprang to mind. >It would certainly do away with the idea of the family having gone to >Alabama, maybe. > >It also throws up another problem, the W Searby on passenger list arriving >USA 1871 cannot be my William. > >I was hoping it would give William's birth place so I could find his >parents >but that is not clear either. Have various good folk looking at it at >present but it's not making things any clearer. > >I am posting the certificate here if any of you would care to look at it, >lots of heads being better than one. >http://s1235.photobucket.com/ > > >Regards, Kate >(Sydney, Australia) That web address just leads me to the main site, not the certificate. In re passenger lists, could he have worked his passage as an employee of a ship eg ships clerk or factor? In which case, he would not be on a passenger list. AS! ds++:+++ a++ c+++ p++ t+ f-- S+ p+ e++ h++ r++ n++ i+ P+ m++ M I've been ignored by better people than you. Anything is possible now that we know he must have arrived prior to 1871 Sorry about Photobucket try this http://s1235.photobucket.com/user/Catrina39/library/?sort=3&page=1 Regards, Kate (Sydney, Australia)

On Sun, 25 Aug 2013 18:25:58 +1000, "Kate" <ktms@live.com> wrote: >Hello all > >This new birth certificate has given an insight to the children born in the >USA. Very interesting. > >It will possibly do away with Pentonville, America which William put on his >son's Death certificate, might prove to be Pensylvania. Dad being upset when >giving the information and knew it was Pen... something and being English >Pentonville sprang to mind. >It would certainly do away with the idea of the family having gone to >Alabama, maybe. > >It also throws up another problem, the W Searby on passenger list arriving >USA 1871 cannot be my William. > >I was hoping it would give William's birth place so I could find his parents >but that is not clear either. Have various good folk looking at it at >present but it's not making things any clearer. > >I am posting the certificate here if any of you would care to look at it, >lots of heads being better than one. >http://s1235.photobucket.com/ > > >Regards, Kate >(Sydney, Australia) That web address just leads me to the main site, not the certificate. In re passenger lists, could he have worked his passage as an employee of a ship eg ships clerk or factor? In which case, he would not be on a passenger list. AS! ds++:+++ a++ c+++ p++ t+ f-- S+ p+ e++ h++ r++ n++ i+ P+ m++ M I've been ignored by better people than you.

Hello all This new birth certificate has given an insight to the children born in the USA. Very interesting. It will possibly do away with Pentonville, America which William put on his son's Death certificate, might prove to be Pensylvania. Dad being upset when giving the information and knew it was Pen... something and being English Pentonville sprang to mind. It would certainly do away with the idea of the family having gone to Alabama, maybe. It also throws up another problem, the W Searby on passenger list arriving USA 1871 cannot be my William. I was hoping it would give William's birth place so I could find his parents but that is not clear either. Have various good folk looking at it at present but it's not making things any clearer. I am posting the certificate here if any of you would care to look at it, lots of heads being better than one. http://s1235.photobucket.com/ Regards, Kate (Sydney, Australia)

"Tom Perrett" wrote in message news:gbzcfgargnh.ms1w6b0.pminews@news.usenetserver.com... Kate, I got it for you, see private direct email. You got tricked by their reference to index image. Tom On Sat, 24 Aug 2013 14:16:43 +1000, Kate wrote: >Hello all > >Does anyone know of, or is searching for, Mary Ellen GILLMAN (nee Searby) b >Victoria 1881 d 1939. There is no Birth certificate held at the Vic BDM's. >I know because I tried to download it and there is only an Index held in >the >records, no actual certificate. >She is a sibling of the Searby children and this document, had it been >available, would/could have answered a number of questions. > >I need no other information, only someone from the GILLMAN family could >help >with this, perhaps having retrieved this certificate many years ago before >it "disappeared". > >Regards, Kate >(Sydney, Australia) > Tom was able to do what Vic BDM's was unable to manage. He has found and sent to me the birth certificate of the only Searby child born Victoria, where they kept good records. Now I have more information about the parents, some of which is surprising when compared to various other certificates I have. As today is my Birthday I find this a really great present. Thanks Tom. Regards, Kate (Sydney, Australia)

Hi Kathy, You may have to look up the White Pages for her name - this is an extremely old post. Good luck, Di <kmc26481@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message news:582b4fa4-061b-4a1b-be2d-78bc8e8ad240@googlegroups.com... On Monday, 16 August 1999 17:00:00 UTC+10, CPickworth wrote: > I am looking for the children(Kathy) of Paul Giles WILMOT and Daphne Alice Irene WILMOT nee JANES marr 1944 St Peters NSW. Known to be divorced. Last known adress for Daphne WILMOT is 35 Campbell St ,St Peters.NSW 1964. I presume Daphne has remarried or died,as she is not on electoral roll for whole of OZ , 1990 (Thanks ,John Smith!)Any help here, much apreciated. Thanks Bernadette Callinan email: bernadette5@telstra.easymail.com.au To whom this may concern, My name is Kathleen I am the daughter of Paul and Daphne Wilmot whom you mentioned Could you let me know the reason why you are looking for me. ? (Kathy).

Kate, I got it for you, see private direct email. You got tricked by their reference to index image. Tom On Sat, 24 Aug 2013 14:16:43 +1000, Kate wrote: >Hello all > >Does anyone know of, or is searching for, Mary Ellen GILLMAN (nee Searby) b >Victoria 1881 d 1939. There is no Birth certificate held at the Vic BDM's. >I know because I tried to download it and there is only an Index held in the >records, no actual certificate. >She is a sibling of the Searby children and this document, had it been >available, would/could have answered a number of questions. > >I need no other information, only someone from the GILLMAN family could help >with this, perhaps having retrieved this certificate many years ago before >it "disappeared". > >Regards, Kate >(Sydney, Australia) >

Hello all Does anyone know of, or is searching for, Mary Ellen GILLMAN (nee Searby) b Victoria 1881 d 1939. There is no Birth certificate held at the Vic BDM's. I know because I tried to download it and there is only an Index held in the records, no actual certificate. She is a sibling of the Searby children and this document, had it been available, would/could have answered a number of questions. I need no other information, only someone from the GILLMAN family could help with this, perhaps having retrieved this certificate many years ago before it "disappeared". Regards, Kate (Sydney, Australia)

On Monday, 16 August 1999 17:00:00 UTC+10, CPickworth wrote: > I am looking for the children(Kathy) of Paul Giles WILMOT and Daphne Alice Irene WILMOT nee JANES marr 1944 St Peters NSW. Known to be divorced. Last known adress for Daphne WILMOT is 35 Campbell St ,St Peters.NSW 1964. I presume Daphne has remarried or died,as she is not on electoral roll for whole of OZ , 1990 (Thanks ,John Smith!)Any help here, much apreciated. Thanks Bernadette Callinan email: bernadette5@telstra.easymail.com.au To whom this may concern, My name is Kathleen I am the daughter of Paul and Daphne Wilmot whom you mentioned Could you let me know the reason why you are looking for me. ? (Kathy).

"Perplexed1" wrote in message news:mailman.0.1377165086.390.genanz@rootsweb.com... I've got both subs. Let me know who you're looking for and I'll see what I can find. Anne Replied to Anne off line Kate

I've got both subs. Let me know who you're looking for and I'll see what I can find. Anne

"MargM" wrote in message news:mailman.8.1377157246.14427.genanz@rootsweb.com... "Kate" <ktms@live.com> wrote in message news:kv47cr$791$1@speranza.aioe.org... > >> Parents, William Searby/Maria Mannion supposedly married NY 1871 but as >> the > > Francis Joseph b c 1872 Pentonville, Coosa County, Alabama > Charles b 1874 Buffalo, NY, this is the record I was given. Hi Kate Just to add abit of wood to the fire, the London suburb of Islington has a sort of mini suburb called Pentonville .Known mostly for its male prison . Bye -- MargM Beautiful NSW Central Coast Marg That did throw me a bit when I first saw Pentonville but it distinctly had America underneath so I knew I was in the right country. Incidentally I did find New York, Births and Christenings, 1640-1962 on Family Search but I seem to be unable to find the entry that two other persons have found so far. That's frustrating as I have the hard copy of the entry in front of me but can't find it for looking. Obviously I no longer have to search for him but i want to know why I can't find the blessed thing myself. Kate

"Kate" <ktms@live.com> wrote in message news:kv47cr$791$1@speranza.aioe.org... > >> Parents, William Searby/Maria Mannion supposedly married NY >> 1871 but as the > > Francis Joseph b c 1872 Pentonville, Coosa County, Alabama > Charles b 1874 Buffalo, NY, this is the record I was given. Hi Kate Just to add abit of wood to the fire, the London suburb of Islington has a sort of mini suburb called Pentonville .Known mostly for its male prison . Bye -- MargM Beautiful NSW Central Coast

"Leonie Oliver" wrote in message news:mailman.7.1377151298.14427.genanz@rootsweb.com... Hi Kate Charles' baptism is listed as Carolum Searby, (male) born 3 Oct 1874, baptised 8 November 1874 at St Brigid's Buffalo, father Gulielmo (William) and mother Maria Manning. That's the one I have, that sks sent me. I couldn't find it, please tell me how you did so as I looked many times. Carolum and Gulielmo are Latin for Charles and William. I can't see them in the New York census records for 1855 or 1875, and the 1865 is Browse Images only, not indexed. 55 and 65 are too early, I couldn't find them in 1875 but they could have been on their way back to England, I don't know when they returned there. In the 1870 (on Ancestry) there are 2 possibles- One in North Carolina-William A Searby, aged 23, a Trader, with wife Manning Searby aged 25, also born North Carolina (no children). If he were in fact a trader, he may have had children born all over the place as in your records, so don't despair! William was almost certainly born 1841 England and Maria was born Galway Ireland. the other is in San Francisco-William Searby, born England, aged 35, a retired druggist, with wife Maria E Searby, 28, born Prince Edward Island, with children Frederick aged 7 and Mary E aged 5 both born Vancouver Island. These children don't appear to match. The only thing the Searby's ever "Retired" from was work, of any sort ;-) I'll keep fossicking around for you. Great effort, thank you very much. Regards, Kate (Sydney, Australia) Leonie

"Canth" wrote in message news:969b199i6hul2ecba6msral4vpks869s61@4ax.com... On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 15:25:46 +1000, "Kate" <ktms@live.com> wrote: > > >"Leonie Oliver" wrote in message >news:mailman.6.1377147726.14427.genanz@rootsweb.com... > >Hi Kate > >I have done a bit of research recently using the New York records on >familysearch with quite a bit of success. >What are the names you are researching? I'll have a look to see what I can >find for you. > >Mine are Olivers in Brooklyn and New York, also New Jersey, and later some >in Cook County Illinois. > >Leonie > >Hi Leonie > >Parents, William Searby/Maria Mannion supposedly married NY 1871 but as the >only W Searby I can find on passenger lists arrived 1871, so everything to >do with this lot is if's and maybe's. >Children, William George/George William b c 1871 NY, or South America >(southern North America?) take your pick >Francis Joseph b c 1872 Pentonville, Coosa County, Alabama >Charles b 1874 Buffalo, NY, this is the record I was given. > >Thank you for offering as I'm getting ready to chuck the lot of them. > >Regards, Kate >(Sydney, Australia) Kate, silly question: Have you considered that 1st child William George may have been born at sea on an Sth American registered ship, or in Sth American waters. Possibility that marriage also occurred shipboard and only registered in NY after arrival, in which case her arrival may be recorded under her maiden name. As to why go South six years after the Civil War, could he have been a carpetbagger or been lured South by the promise of cheap land seized from Southerners who could not pay their taxes? Or have been in the employ of such a person? AS! ds++:+++ a++ c+++ p++ t+ f-- S+ p+ e++ h++ r++ n++ i+ P+ m++ M I've been ignored by better people than you. Hi Canth Both deaths certificates state married NY. W Searby arrived unmarried 1871 Maria Mannion (there were two) arrived earlier years. 1862, 1868. William and Maria left England July 1876 to come to Australia so they were doing a lot of running around in five years. Good thinking though, all ideas welcome, thank you. Regards, Kate (Sydney, Australia)

Hi Kate Charles' baptism is listed as Carolum Searby, (male) born 3 Oct 1874, baptised 8 November 1874 at St Brigid's Buffalo, father Gulielmo (William) and mother Maria Manning. Carolum and Gulielmo are Latin for Charles and William. I can't see them in the New York census records for 1855 or 1875, and the 1865 is Browse Images only, not indexed. In the 1870 (on Ancestry) there are 2 possibles- One in North Carolina-William A Searby, aged 23, a Trader, with wife Manning Searby aged 25, also born North Carolina (no children). If he were in fact a trader, he may have had children born all over the place as in your records, so don't despair! the other is in San Francisco-William Searby, born England, aged 35, a retired druggist, with wife Maria E Searby, 28, born Prince Edward Island, with children Frederick aged 7 and Mary E aged 5 both born Vancouver Island. These children don't appear to match. I'll keep fossicking around for you. Leonie

"Leonie Oliver" wrote in message news:mailman.6.1377147726.14427.genanz@rootsweb.com... Hi Kate I have done a bit of research recently using the New York records on familysearch with quite a bit of success. What are the names you are researching? I'll have a look to see what I can find for you. Mine are Olivers in Brooklyn and New York, also New Jersey, and later some in Cook County Illinois. Leonie Hi Leonie Parents, William Searby/Maria Mannion supposedly married NY 1871 but as the only W Searby I can find on passenger lists arrived 1871, so everything to do with this lot is if's and maybe's. Children, William George/George William b c 1871 NY, or South America (southern North America?) take your pick Francis Joseph b c 1872 Pentonville, Coosa County, Alabama Charles b 1874 Buffalo, NY, this is the record I was given. Thank you for offering as I'm getting ready to chuck the lot of them. Regards, Kate (Sydney, Australia)

On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 15:25:46 +1000, "Kate" <ktms@live.com> wrote: > > >"Leonie Oliver" wrote in message >news:mailman.6.1377147726.14427.genanz@rootsweb.com... > >Hi Kate > >I have done a bit of research recently using the New York records on >familysearch with quite a bit of success. >What are the names you are researching? I'll have a look to see what I can >find for you. > >Mine are Olivers in Brooklyn and New York, also New Jersey, and later some >in Cook County Illinois. > >Leonie > >Hi Leonie > >Parents, William Searby/Maria Mannion supposedly married NY 1871 but as the >only W Searby I can find on passenger lists arrived 1871, so everything to >do with this lot is if's and maybe's. >Children, William George/George William b c 1871 NY, or South America >(southern North America?) take your pick >Francis Joseph b c 1872 Pentonville, Coosa County, Alabama >Charles b 1874 Buffalo, NY, this is the record I was given. > >Thank you for offering as I'm getting ready to chuck the lot of them. > >Regards, Kate >(Sydney, Australia) Kate, silly question: Have you considered that 1st child William George may have been born at sea on an Sth American registered ship, or in Sth American waters. Possibility that marriage also occurred shipboard and only registered in NY after arrival, in which case her arrival may be recorded under her maiden name. As to why go South six years after the Civil War, could he have been a carpetbagger or been lured South by the promise of cheap land seized from Southerners who could not pay their taxes? Or have been in the employ of such a person? AS! ds++:+++ a++ c+++ p++ t+ f-- S+ p+ e++ h++ r++ n++ i+ P+ m++ M I've been ignored by better people than you.

Hi Kate I have done a bit of research recently using the New York records on familysearch with quite a bit of success. What are the names you are researching? I'll have a look to see what I can find for you. Mine are Olivers in Brooklyn and New York, also New Jersey, and later some in Cook County Illinois. Leonie

"MargM" wrote in message news:mailman.5.1377142348.14427.genanz@rootsweb.com... "Kate" <ktms@live.com> wrote in message news:kv3r12$eqq$1@speranza.aioe.org... Hi Kate > Is anyone familiar with the records held by My Heritage? I am not I've searched > Ancestry (including Pay as you Go USA) and Family Search without any luck > looking for a Marriage and three Births > c 1871-1875 USA. First I would check carefully that such actual records exist , and what possible extra info there might be to justify any expense . From my experience with NY State records , Vital Record keeping was a fairly late starter. I know death certs from Monroe Co NY date from 1880. Folk did keep some records and have found a few detailed obits regarding marriages and births in the 1840's & 50's Bye -- MargM Beautiful NSW Central Coast Hi Marg The record I was given does actually have printed as part of the information "New York Births and Christenings 1640-1962" and Family Search does throw up the odd record from such a site but I was not able to find it browsing US records on Ancestry. One can certainly search NY State broadly or NY Boroughs etc. My problem is further confused by the fact that one the children's Death certificate 1882 in Australia states he was born Pentonville America which is in Alabama and another, the eldest child 's Death certificate states he was born South America which I disregarded as SA per se but rather a southern area of North America and on his Marriage certificate he has, born New York. The whole story is extremely confusing, Parents were supposed to have married in NY but how/why they went to the extreme south is a mystery and I certainly can't find a Marriage for them and beginning to wonder if they married at all or did a runner for some reason. This brick wall has been in place for many, many years. Regards, Kate (Sydney, Australia)