Pat. Unfortunately no plaque saying "Hazelton". No 93 has a plaque saying "Chegwidden"; the only plaque No 95 has says "Friends Welcome" - this is of the period but weatherboard, not brick; No 97 has nothing; No 99 has a high fence (in fact, they all do) and unable to check without going over the top, commando-style; and No 101, on the corner, has nothing. It's a busy road, so I can understand them all having high fences. I'm 6-4 and I was struggling to see over. If your ancestor was a wealthy person, then I would put my money on No 99, as it's the most substantial. It has a room which is on the 2nd storey (though appears to be hidden by trees in Google). I walked a little further down Canterbury Rd a little beyond Alexandra Ave but nothing (again, lots of high walls). Perhaps send a letter to some of these houses and make sure to hand-write the address so that it's not binned along with the advertising mail. regards, Martin On Tuesday, February 25, 2014 12:24:42 AM UTC+11, MartinE wrote: > I didn't make it today, Pat, as one my sons had a surprise pupil-free day (well surprise for me). Sounds just as well that I didn't, given recent contributions (well done). I'll visit tomorrow morning and focus between the two avenues mentioned. > > > > regards, > > > > Martin > > > > > > On Monday, February 24, 2014 3:51:06 PM UTC+11, Pat Wade wrote: > > > To all who have been so tirelessly helping me with > > > > > > my property issues a very big thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > It would appear that "Hazelton" is not quite as > > > > > > close to Burke Rd as the real estate agent would > > > > > > have you believe in his add but it is between > > > > > > Wentworth Ave and Alexandra Ave on the North side > > > > > > east of Burke Rd. > > > > > > > > > > > > I knew he was "up the road" from his brother but > > > > > > it looks more like he was "next door". It also > > > > > > would appear that it was built between 1905 (the > > > > > > MMBW maps) and 1909 which is the first listing I > > > > > > have of him there. All of this is great "family" > > > > > > information and I really appreciate the help > > > > > > > > > > > > This is all fantastic and you are a wonderful lot. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > Pat

Hi Pat, >From Vic Land Channel Maps, there are 6 properties between Wentworth and Alexandra, Nos 91-101 starting at 91 at the corner of Wentworth then heading east from there. No 91 is obviously not "period" but Nos. 93, 95, 97, 99 and 101 are all the right period style - i.e. potentially built after 1905 but probably before 1920s. If you go to Google Street view you can see them all in living colour! If someone lives nearby, a stroll past each house trying to see if there is still a name plaque near the front door is always worth a try! I had great success with one in Ascot Vale and the name was there as bold as brass [literally]! <vbg> Regards ........ Susie Z -----Original Message----- From: genanz-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:genanz-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Wade Sent: Monday, 24 February 2014 3:51 PM To: GENANZ-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: Canterbury Rd Camberwell, Victoria To all who have been so tirelessly helping me with my property issues a very big thank you. It would appear that "Hazelton" is not quite as close to Burke Rd as the real estate agent would have you believe in his add but it is between Wentworth Ave and Alexandra Ave on the North side east of Burke Rd. I knew he was "up the road" from his brother but it looks more like he was "next door". It also would appear that it was built between 1905 (the MMBW maps) and 1909 which is the first listing I have of him there. All of this is great "family" information and I really appreciate the help This is all fantastic and you are a wonderful lot. Thank you. Pat ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENANZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

To all who have been so tirelessly helping me with my property issues a very big thank you. It would appear that "Hazelton" is not quite as close to Burke Rd as the real estate agent would have you believe in his add but it is between Wentworth Ave and Alexandra Ave on the North side east of Burke Rd. I knew he was "up the road" from his brother but it looks more like he was "next door". It also would appear that it was built between 1905 (the MMBW maps) and 1909 which is the first listing I have of him there. All of this is great "family" information and I really appreciate the help This is all fantastic and you are a wonderful lot. Thank you. Pat

Hi Marion, This is fantastic Herbert is Dudley older brother and I knew they were "just up the road" from each other. Now to look at this on the MMBW maps Thank you so much Pat -----Original Message----- From: genanz-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:genanz-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Marion Sent: Monday, 24 February 2014 3:26 PM To: genanz@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: Canterbury Rd Camberwell, Victoria Hi Pat, I noticed in the add that Hazelton was being sold "By order of Mr. Dudley E King, who is leaving the district." According to the Sands and McDougall in 1911 on Canterbury Road, North Side between Wentworth Avenue and Alexandra Avenue lived Walter Terry, Dudley E King and Herbert W King. Perhaps this is the block you are after? Regards Marion ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENANZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Pat, I noticed in the add that Hazelton was being sold "By order of Mr. Dudley E King, who is leaving the district." According to the Sands and McDougall in 1911 on Canterbury Road, North Side between Wentworth Avenue and Alexandra Avenue lived Walter Terry, Dudley E King and Herbert W King. Perhaps this is the block you are after? Regards Marion

This is quite unscientific, but we don't have a lot to go on. The advert from way back states that the land is 135ft deep, which is about 41 metres in today's units. (I tried to paste a pic here, but failed. If Pat would get in touch, I'll email it to her.) The blocks to the south of Canterbury Road are close to 49m deep, the ones on the north side are about 46m deep. (The right hand side of the map is the old railway line, where blocks get misshapen) Going further east beyond the railway line for half a km or so, I can't find a block that matches 41m deep. Maybe there have been boundary changes (not likely, IMHO) As a conflicting aside, the bit about the buggy storage etc might however fit in with the lane that existed (and still does, it seems) behind the blocks south of Canterbury Road. Paul

Hi Susie, Thank you - it sounds good to me as a MINIMUM :-) Things have come a long way since I started and it is wonderful. You still need patience and a lot of slow "plodding" but it is so much better. Sometimes you just need the help of others in new areas of search. Thank you' Pat -----Original Message----- From: Susie Zada [mailto:szada@zades.com.au] Sent: Monday, 24 February 2014 1:19 PM To: 'Pat Wade'; GENANZ-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: Canterbury Rd Camberwell, Victoria Hi Pat, Well, if you want to get serious about it, you should know that there are HEAPS more MMBW plans at PROV - it's just you have to search for the right one and actually go there to see them. And from experience they can be quite different and quite different years to the ones digitised by the State Library. PROV and SLV are jointly working to see that there is a full coverage across the suburbs [SLV had a few gaps] but I doubt that all the years available were going to be digitised. For some areas the number of houses with names is over 80% - the most comprehensive I've ever seen and I've encouraged some historical societies to consider indexing all the house names and addresses for their area - but that's another story. Have a look at the alternatives for other cities / states and be prepared to be blown away if you take time to look at the 1908 City of Auckland Map - be patient and investigate it properly and you'll see what I mean - includes the full rate book details with the map! I personally think this should be the yardstick for the MINIMUM we should accept from ALL local governments! <vbg> http://zades.com.au/gandd/index.php/thisthat/anzse wers Regards .......... Susie Zada -----Original Message----- From: genanz-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:genanz-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Wade Sent: Monday, 24 February 2014 12:07 PM To: GENANZ-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: Canterbury Rd Camberwell, Victoria Hi All, I cannot believe my bad luck - I have just used the MMBW search for Canterbury Rd for 1904 - the closest to the 1909 I know they lived in Canterbury Rd. Fantastic maps with "HOUSE NAMES" for those that were named. I searched almost the full length of Canterbury Rd but no "Hazelton". He must have built the house and named it himself after 1904. Anyway for others - Search the SLV catalogue ... www.slv.vic.gov.au Enter in the Search box ... mmbw [suburb] [street name] Thank you Susie Z. Not all are there (I tried the Melbourne) but it is wonderful Regards Pat

I have 3 books, listing Residents of the Moreton Bay Region, from 1850 to 1855. Most names have some info, - Age, Religion, Occupation, Employer, Ship, Destination, and so on. I am willing to do look-ups, should anyone be interested.

Hi Pat, Well, if you want to get serious about it, you should know that there are HEAPS more MMBW plans at PROV - it's just you have to search for the right one and actually go there to see them. And from experience they can be quite different and quite different years to the ones digitised by the State Library. PROV and SLV are jointly working to see that there is a full coverage across the suburbs [SLV had a few gaps] but I doubt that all the years available were going to be digitised. For some areas the number of houses with names is over 80% - the most comprehensive I've ever seen and I've encouraged some historical societies to consider indexing all the house names and addresses for their area - but that's another story. Have a look at the alternatives for other cities / states and be prepared to be blown away if you take time to look at the 1908 City of Auckland Map - be patient and investigate it properly and you'll see what I mean - includes the full rate book details with the map! I personally think this should be the yardstick for the MINIMUM we should accept from ALL local governments! <vbg> http://zades.com.au/gandd/index.php/thisthat/anzsewers Regards .......... Susie Zada -----Original Message----- From: genanz-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:genanz-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Wade Sent: Monday, 24 February 2014 12:07 PM To: GENANZ-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: Canterbury Rd Camberwell, Victoria Hi All, I cannot believe my bad luck - I have just used the MMBW search for Canterbury Rd for 1904 - the closest to the 1909 I know they lived in Canterbury Rd. Fantastic maps with "HOUSE NAMES" for those that were named. I searched almost the full length of Canterbury Rd but no "Hazelton". He must have built the house and named it himself after 1904. Anyway for others - Search the SLV catalogue ... www.slv.vic.gov.au Enter in the Search box ... mmbw [suburb] [street name] Thank you Susie Z. Not all are there (I tried the Melbourne) but it is wonderful Regards Pat

Hi All, I cannot believe my bad luck - I have just used the MMBW search for Canterbury Rd for 1904 - the closest to the 1909 I know they lived in Canterbury Rd. Fantastic maps with "HOUSE NAMES" for those that were named. I searched almost the full length of Canterbury Rd but no "Hazelton". He must have built the house and named it himself after 1904. Anyway for others - Search the SLV catalogue ... www.slv.vic.gov.au Enter in the Search box ... mmbw [suburb] [street name] Thank you Susie Z. Not all are there (I tried the Melbourne) but it is wonderful Regards Pat -----Original Message----- From: Pat Wade [mailto:pmwade@optusnet.com.au] Sent: Friday, 21 February 2014 7:29 PM To: 'GENANZ-L@rootsweb.com' Subject: Canterbury Rd Camberwell, Victoria

Hi Pat, You will need to do some careful checking and comparisons of current day maps and the sewerage plans but I think 14 George St, Box Hill in 1930 is now 14 Glemore Street, Box Hill. No 18 Glenmore Street certainly looks like the same house in 1930 as in the aerial view today with the return verandah on the right hand side. Hard to tell for certain with No 14 but definitely appears to be right era for house style etc. - obviously extensions at the rear but also fits with the location of these houses on the block - larger front yard and smaller back yard as previously they went right through from street to street. Check the Rate Books and change of street name but I'm pretty sure you want 14 Glenmore Street. Would be worth checking with the Box Hill Historical Society. Regards ........ Susie Z -----Original Message----- From: genanz-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:genanz-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Wade Sent: Monday, 24 February 2014 10:29 AM To: GENANZ-L@rootsweb.com Subject: 14 George St Box Hill/ Blackburn Hi all, Sorry at it again. My King family in the electoral Rolls are at 14 George St Box Hill between 1919 & 1922. I have just had a look on Google earth and it appears that this is an industrial estate. Being the "electoral rolls" I am thinking they must have lived there BUT it could also have been a business address (well maybe) Does anyone know whether this area was housing back in that time frame or has it always been business?? Thank you Pat ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENANZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Susie Thank you so much for this it is fantastic. Definitely a house - not many neighbours - a little more "special" information of the family Thank you Pat -----Original Message----- From: genanz-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:genanz-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Susie Zada Sent: Monday, 24 February 2014 10:46 AM To: GENANZ-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: 14 George St Box Hill/ Blackburn Hi Pat, Search the SLV catalogue ... www.slv.vic.gov.au Enter in the Search box ... mmbw box hill george street and you'll find No. 14 on Plan 3088 [first one? of the six found] As these sewerage plans are dated 1930 this is about as close as you get and as per my book on sewerage records, the BEST "view" you can get of the house at that time - perfect footprint of it. As you can see from the sewerage the streets and house numbers are nothing like today. http://zades.com.au/gandd/index.php/thisthat/anzse wers Regards ......... Susie Z -----Original Message----- From: genanz-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:genanz-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Wade Sent: Monday, 24 February 2014 10:29 AM To: GENANZ-L@rootsweb.com Subject: 14 George St Box Hill/ Blackburn Hi all, Sorry at it again. My King family in the electoral Rolls are at 14 George St Box Hill between 1919 & 1922. I have just had a look on Google earth and it appears that this is an industrial estate. Being the "electoral rolls" I am thinking they must have lived there BUT it could also have been a business address (well maybe) Does anyone know whether this area was housing back in that time frame or has it always been business?? Thank you Pat ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENANZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENANZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Pat, Search the SLV catalogue ... www.slv.vic.gov.au Enter in the Search box ... mmbw box hill george street and you'll find No. 14 on Plan 3088 [first one? of the six found] As these sewerage plans are dated 1930 this is about as close as you get and as per my book on sewerage records, the BEST "view" you can get of the house at that time - perfect footprint of it. As you can see from the sewerage the streets and house numbers are nothing like today. http://zades.com.au/gandd/index.php/thisthat/anzsewers Regards ......... Susie Z -----Original Message----- From: genanz-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:genanz-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Wade Sent: Monday, 24 February 2014 10:29 AM To: GENANZ-L@rootsweb.com Subject: 14 George St Box Hill/ Blackburn Hi all, Sorry at it again. My King family in the electoral Rolls are at 14 George St Box Hill between 1919 & 1922. I have just had a look on Google earth and it appears that this is an industrial estate. Being the "electoral rolls" I am thinking they must have lived there BUT it could also have been a business address (well maybe) Does anyone know whether this area was housing back in that time frame or has it always been business?? Thank you Pat ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENANZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all, Sorry at it again. My King family in the electoral Rolls are at 14 George St Box Hill between 1919 & 1922. I have just had a look on Google earth and it appears that this is an industrial estate. Being the "electoral rolls" I am thinking they must have lived there BUT it could also have been a business address (well maybe) Does anyone know whether this area was housing back in that time frame or has it always been business?? Thank you Pat

I didn't make it today, Pat, as one my sons had a surprise pupil-free day (well surprise for me). Sounds just as well that I didn't, given recent contributions (well done). I'll visit tomorrow morning and focus between the two avenues mentioned. regards, Martin On Monday, February 24, 2014 3:51:06 PM UTC+11, Pat Wade wrote: > To all who have been so tirelessly helping me with > > my property issues a very big thank you. > > > > It would appear that "Hazelton" is not quite as > > close to Burke Rd as the real estate agent would > > have you believe in his add but it is between > > Wentworth Ave and Alexandra Ave on the North side > > east of Burke Rd. > > > > I knew he was "up the road" from his brother but > > it looks more like he was "next door". It also > > would appear that it was built between 1905 (the > > MMBW maps) and 1909 which is the first listing I > > have of him there. All of this is great "family" > > information and I really appreciate the help > > > > This is all fantastic and you are a wonderful lot. > > > > Thank you. > > Pat

Last time I searched (some time ago) you did not need to pay if you attended an ASIC office in a capital city. Richard "Pat Wade" wrote in message news:mailman.36.1388378482.512.genanz@rootsweb.com... Hi All, I hope this falls in the realm of this mailing list - but I have just found my fathers business - long since closed down - on this site (as a deregistered company) They have charges - Current Extract $19.90, Current & Historical Extract $28.90 plus bigger packages and stating that only Historical ASIC Extracts are available. Has anyone every purchased documents via this site and if so what sort of information do you get? Or is it different than what you would find at the PRO? Thank you Pat

Pat Wade wrote: > Thank you to all who have given me suggestions, > advice etc. > > It is quite possible the house has been pulled > down but I have some ideas to follow up and at the > very least when time permits I will make the trip > to get an idea of the area at least. > > Thank you > Pat > The 1909 Electoral Roll gives the address as "Canterbury Road, Canterbury." That is further out. During the 1960's, I lived for 2 years on the corner of Balwyn Road, within walking distance of Canterbury Station. The Rates Office or a local genie society with access to the rates records, may be able to help. There are 3 family trees on Ancestry.com. One is "private;" the other 2 have identical photos, but not one of Canterbury Road. Doug.

Thank you to all who have given me suggestions, advice etc. It is quite possible the house has been pulled down but I have some ideas to follow up and at the very least when time permits I will make the trip to get an idea of the area at least. Thank you Pat

Tony's post made me look up the ad and it talks about a 2 storey brick villa. However Google Street view has no 2 storey house on Canterbury Road just east of Burke St - you would need the street number to be more precise. Helen Castle Narangba Qld -----Original Message----- From: Tony Moore [mailto:tony-moore@bigpond.com] Sent: Friday, 21 February 2014 8:32 PM To: Pat Wade; GENANZ-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Canterbury Rd Camberwell, Victoria Dear Pat, Sorry I can't pop over to East Camberwell as it would take about 10 or 12 hours driving. However........ I found the advert of the said auction in a Trove archive: http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/90368711 Perhaps the rest of your long-shot might might be shortened if you were to contact the auctioneer / estate agent which was then known as "Coghill & Haughton" and is now called "Haughton-Stotts" at Ivanhoe or Preston. It seems someone on their team likes to record a little of their company history. http://www.haus.com.au/haughton-stotts-history.html ........In the early 1900s, Edward Haughton had also established a real estate business in central Melbourne. With an office in the heart of the Central Business District at 79 Swanston Street, Haughton´s business operated throughout the growing inner metropolitan area. By the 1920s, Coghill & Haughton real estate business also had offices operating out of Heidelberg and Canterbury...... Auctioneers and Estate agents haven't changed their spots. Even 100 years ago they still used very emotive words in advertisements Perhaps Chris Dz, (e-mail) managing director, or his son Stefan Dz might help: http://rev.listonce.com.au/cgi-bin/staffresults.pl?GID=799 Since you have a house name but no street number, my I suggest you contact the Camberwell Library via: http://www.boroondara.vic.gov.au/libraries/contact/ask and ask if they can cross reference the house name with a later street number. Alternatively, the former "city of Camberwell" or the modern Boroondara council may have compiled a register of heritage listed /national estate register as is the case with some councils in Sydney. e.g. Both Hornsby and Marrickville council has one for most of the houses in the suburbs for which it's responsible. It's highly likely that there is a full time local history librarian located at one or all of the Boroondara City libraries. Happy Hunting, Tony Moore (Castle Hill, NSW) @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ On 21 Feb 2014 at 19:28, Pat Wade wrote: From: "Pat Wade" <pmwade@optusnet.com.au> To: <GENANZ-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Canterbury Rd Camberwell, Victoria Date sent: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 19:28:50 +1100 > Hi, > > Now I am pushing my luck :-) > > Does anyone live very close to Canterbury Rd, Camberwell just before > Burke Rd? > > If so the next time you are walking would you be able to check if > there is a house with the name "Hazelton". > > My Grandparents sold this in 1912 - sale add says > - > "TWO-STORIED BRICK VILLA, Containing 6 large and lofty rooms, with > panelled ceilings, and large open balcony dormer, 25 ft. x 12 ft., > pantry and bathroom, with every convenience. On the Allotment, 50 x > 135 ft., is well-kept garden, ,also a few fruit trees, and STABLE and > BUGGY SHED". > > If there is a chance of it still being their I will then make > arrangements to get across to get a photo. > > Thank you > Pat

Pat hasn't got an address. Google Maps gave nothing. A google search gave only the 1912 ad. Canterbury Road starts at Burke Rd, but the ad says "East Camberwell," which now has a railway station. Perhaps the suburb boundaries have changed? Doug. Village People wrote: > Hi Pat, > Have you thought of using Street View in Google Earth/Google Maps to > pinpoint the house to use as a starting point. Was there a street address? > > Doug > > > > > On Friday, 21 February 2014 8:02 PM, Pat Wade <pmwade@optusnet.com.au> > wrote: > > Hi, > > Now I am pushing my luck :-) > > Does anyone live very close to Canterbury Rd, > Camberwell just before Burke Rd? > > If so the next time you are walking would you be > able to check if there is a house with the name > "Hazelton". > > My Grandparents sold this in 1912 - sale add says > - > "TWO-STORIED BRICK VILLA, Containing 6 large and > lofty rooms, with panelled ceilings, and large > open balcony dormer, 25 ft. x 12 ft., pantry and > bathroom, with every convenience. On the > Allotment, 50 x 135 ft., is well-kept garden, > ,also a few fruit trees, and STABLE and BUGGY > SHED". > > If there is a chance of it still being their I > will then make arrangements to get across to get a > photo. > > Thank you > Pat > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENANZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message