Doug Laidlaw wrote: > MargM wrote: > >> "Ray Green" <rayg.personal@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:6xBwm.44112$ze1.42903@news-server.bigpond.net.au... >>> Greetings one and all >>> >>> For starters I have Googled and Binged for an answer but nothing >>> pops up. >>> >>> I have found an entry in the Ryerson Index that is the person that I >>> want, but where do I go from here? I have been to the Sydney >>> Morning Herald site and tried to search under the given date, but to >>> no avail. >>> How do I get a copy of a Death Notice for 28 September 1970 from the >>> SMH? >>> >> Hi Ray >> >> Easy peasy .............. Just read the info on the head page >> http://www.ryersonindex.org/ >> >> 2nd icon down , left hand side is "requesting a look up" You will >> need date of death and publication >> >> Amazing how many times this has been asked and answered . You would >> have done better to have done an archive search in the DPS or Sydney >> or NSW mailing list or this news group >> >> Bye >> >> > Yes, look ups are still being done. But remember that we are all volunteers > and unpaid. This is our way of giving something back to our hobby, but it > is still our hobby. We are not a no-cost resource for professional > genealogists. After a recent incident where somebody (not a professional) > was asking for half a dozen every few days, and another where the researcher > in addition, abused our member for not replying by return, we were > considering stopping the service. > > Look ups are not what the Ryerson Index is about. Many have interpreted the > hotlinks from the newspaper in your results as a path to the Notice. After > our next page update, they will no longer be links. You are encouraged to > take what the Index has to other resources, such as your local library. > > In Ray's case, there would be no problem. As Marg says, just fill in the > form. > > Doug Laidlaw, > Committee Member, > Ryerson Index Inc. > Greetings one and all Fair go folks, if I make a mistake then I can accept a kick in the pants. If you receive a reply to a request for help that gives details of what to do then in the normal course you would follow that information otherwise why ask in the first place? I certainly didn't expect a reply giving me a blast for not doing something, then giving me the way to go, and then copping it from someone else because I followed that advice. If you read my initial post, all I asked for was How do I get a copy of a Death Notice from the SMH. I am not a professional but a battler trying to put together OUR Family History as my hobby. I always ensure that I thank those who help me as I did on this occasion. Our local library is open a couple of afternoons a week and the nearest FHS is 43k away. I use them when possible but the time available to you there as an individual is limited. Just as an aside, I still don't know how to get a copy of a Death (and now a Funeral) Notice from the SMH. Ray Green Novice Battler Family Historian Green/Jennings/Watts Families.

Sorry but those are not PMG boys, until the mid 1940s the overseas telegraph companies (cable and beam wireless) had their own delivery boys in much flasher uniforms than PMG. Tom On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 09:07:15 +1000, Joanne Flack wrote: >Hi Paul > >Found this; > >Messenger Boys were employed at the age of14. Those who had their IntermediateCertificate were qualified for futureadvancement. Those that did not have thisqualification were required to attend theCompany's night school to pass an internalexamination. Those not qualified by the age of16 had their services terminated. Messengerswere given uniforms twice annually. Onewinter uniform and one summer. Winteruniforms were long trousers and jackets, navyblue with red piping. Buttons were silver withsilver numbers on the collars and BeamWireless on a red patch for each upper sleeve.They were also issued with a peaked cap. Bike boys had gaiters in the early days, butlater these were changed to breeches and long ... > >see the rest on >leggings. Summer uniforms were khaki shirts,khaki jackets, blue shorts, long blue socks andboots with a pith type helmet. Similar buttonsand numbers as winter uniform. Themessenger was required to wash his shirt andtrousers, but jackets were sent to a laundry bythe Company. Walking boys delivered to anarea bounded by the Quay, Elizabeth Street,Park Street and Sussex Street. Bike boyscovered an area bounded by Kings Cross,Surry Hills, Broadway and Pyrmont. To beselected as a bike boy was considered apromotions, as he not only received his salarybut was paid 7/6d per week for the hire of thebike. During the depression years this was afair sum as they could purchase a bike at 5/-per week on terms, and had the bike to ride towork and save fares. Also riding a bike was alot better than walking.Promotion from the Messenger service waseither to the operating room or to the generaloffice and accounts branch. If one went to theoperating room, he was expected to enrol atthe Company's! Marconi School of Wirelessand obt ain his Certificate of Proficiency for aFirst Class Marine Operator. This courseconsisted of radio and electrical theory, morsecode at 28 words per minute and typing.Morse code and typing skills he was expectedto obtain in the operating room by practiceduring any lull in traffic. The Marconi Schoolgave the student a concession on the fee cost.The course was initially by correspondencebut about half way through the correspondencesection, he was required to attend the schoolfor practical technical training. Being on shiftwork, one could not attend all technicallessons, found it hard to change shifts, andtherefore got behind in the course. When thishappened, and it was inevitable, one onlyreceived 2/6d of his next annual increment of7/6d. Result was that many were receivingsums of 2 pounds 50 shillings per weekinstead of 4 pounds 25 shillings per week.This was typical of the penny pinching attitudeof management.In later years, after OTC took over, theyabandoned the requirement ! for the RadioOfficers Certificate and opened their ownTelegraphist School.SATELLITE SNIPPETS(Dennis Grant)Saturation levels.Since Moree was the one and only Standard Aantenna built by Collins Radio, the gain atboth 4 Ghz and 6 Ghz had to be accuratelymeasured to pass qualification. To do this,Standard gain horns were fixed to the side ofthe main reflector and signal switched betweenthem for comparison. Naturally the TX powerhad to be dropped a lot when switched to themain antenna. After a whole night of testingand getting it right, the HPA engineer fromCollins miscued and switched some 3kw ofunmodulated carrier into the main antenna andin his words "Suddenly there was only onecarrier coming back from the satellite. (Intelsat2) Mine!" He was severely reprimanded forthis as he had saturated the satellite andsuppressed all the other carriers including thebeacons.Carnarvon's "Me too"Some years later Carnarvon had a problemwith their uplink power control. Not sure ofthe issue, but the effect was dramatic. Instead! of stabilizing the power level wit hin very closelimits (+/- 0.1 dB) the Auto Power Controldrove the HPA to max power, which was animpressive 13 Kw. Although the satellite(Intelsat III) had many more transponders, thereceivers were wideband and so the saturatedreceiver took down a lot of other carriers. Intelsat through the Jamesburg Californiaearth station contacted us at Moree after aboutthe 10th such incident, as for some reason theycould not contact Carnarvon direct and forwhat I think was the only time it occurred they"Instructed" us to "Instruct" Carnarvon to shutdown their transmitters until they got theproblem resolved.*****************************VALEWILF O'DONNELL - (16 January 1925 to 12July 2006)On 16 January 1925, Wilfred FrancisO'Donnell was born into a world quitedifferent to our present times. His life andvalues were to be shaped by the majorhistorical events of the 20th century. He was >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Page 10 >130one of 4 children. His father was a dairyfarmer on the north coast, who supplementedhis income by operating a small truckingbusiness. In the early 1930's the greatdepression struck. Although Wilf was aschoolboy, he helped his father as much as hecould, eventually leaving school to try andkeep the family business and farm operating. Unfortunately everything was lost, and thefamily sent Wilf to Sydney to try and give hima chance at a better life. Wartime Sydneymust have been a very confronting place for an17 year old boy from the country, however hequickly found a job as a messenger boy withAWA. His intention was to enlist when heturned 18.A few weeks after his 18th birthday, Wilfdiscovered that his application to join the AirForce had been rejected, as he was working ina protected industry (AWA at that time wasresponsibleforallinternationalcommunication). Much to the upset of hisfamily, he solved this problem by resigning hisjob and applying again. This time he wasaccepte! d. After basic training, he foundh imself, at the age of 19, stationed in Englandas part of an RAAF bomber crew, where lifeexpectancy was measured in months. His wardiaries contain an amazing account of his lifeat this time. He was in two plane crashes,bailed out once over England and flew manybombing missions. The diaries and letters tohis family also show a loving son, withcompassion for his fellow airmen who failedto return, and also compassion for innocentGerman civilians killed in bombing raids. After victory in Europe, he was to be sent tofight the Japanese in the Pacific, butfortunately the War ended and he was returnedhome.Wilf had developed an interest in radiocommunication and studied at the MarconiSchool of wireless, obtaining a radio operator'scertificate. He was able to persuade AWA totake him back and he worked there until itsfunctions were nationalised by the creation oftheOverseasTelecommunicationsCommission. Wilf married Isa on 15 October1949 and they had two children, Wendy andPaul. His expe! rience of seeing his father loseev erything in the depression had a majorimpact on his approach to his family. He andIsa worked and saved hard, the mortgage waspaid off and the children wanted for nothing. His capacity for hard work was recognised andhe was steadily promoted, retiring as aSuperintendent on 14 July 1986.Wilf thereafter entered the third stage of hislife where he was able to enjoy the results ofhis success. A holiday home was built on theSouth Coast and Wilf pursued his interest infishing and bowls. He softened considerablyand had great pleasure with the arrival of eachgrandchild. Unfortunately Wilf's wardisabilities were beginning to catch up withhim. Over the last two years before his death,he suffered a diminishing loss of lungcapacity. Each breath was a struggle, howeverhe suffered without complaint and was nursedby Isa until his death on 12 July 2006. He willalways be remembered as a loving husband,father, grandfather and friend. Vale, Wilfred Francis O'Donnell, your workon this earth is c! omplete, rest in peace.*********** *************Robert James Larkins(6 March 1926 to 11 August 2006 in EastBentleigh, Vic.)Bob joined AWA in 1941 in the MessengerService then later worked in the TechnicalWorkshop under Bert Lake. He left and joinedthe RAAF during the war. After the end of thewar he joined the Victoria Police Force wherehe enjoyed a successful career until hisretirement. His funeral was on 18/8/2006.**************************THE LAST WORDI hope you enjoyed this issue which has ablend of technical, operating and commercialstories. I am hoping to get more of these forfuture issues. Even the admin and publicityguys must have stories, some of which couldnow be told. .I hope you have enjoyed Denis Grant's"Satellite Snippets" which have been dottedthrough many of our recent newsletters. Ihave nearly run out. Surely others havesimilar short stories to tell!Let's have them! http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:D5yia40ytyUJ:www.otva.com/newsltrarch/2006_October.pdf+messenger+boys+pmg+aged+sydney&cd=5&h! l=en&ct=clnk > Cheers >Joanne

Hi Everyone Correction James Walton Married Johanna McCanna 23/8/1847 and not 1947. Grahame James

Hello Everyone Would like some help please. I am wanting to locate a photo of my 3rd great grandparents. If any has sited these two photos please let me know. They are of James Walton and Johanna McCanna. James was a convict who arrived on the Dunvegan Castle in 1830 to Australia and he Married Johanna on 23/8/1947 at our Lady of Loretta Church on the upper McDonald River. Kind Regards Grahame James PS> These photos are for my book I am putting together for my reunion in 2011 . Grahame James

Hi Phil , I have opened up to the below site and put "The Observer" in the "search articles" box. There were lots of hits and I found that many Australian newspapers contained articles from "The Observer". http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home Hope this can be of some help. Chris In New Zealand

Paul Blair wrote: > I'm trying to unpick someone's age. > > I know he started work with the PMG (as it was) at the 'earliest age for > a telegram boy' > > 13? 14? 15? 16? > > This would have been around the end of WWI, to put it into a time context. > > TIA > > Paul Hi everyone Thanks for all the replies. The general consensus was 14, but, as Tom points out, this may vary from state to state. Regards Paul

Hi My Dad started at 14 as a PMG telegram boy if that's any help? Deb ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Blair" <pblair@pcug.org.au> > I'm trying to unpick someone's age. > Paul

"One Eyed Phil" <philand@iinet.net.au> wrote in message news:XOSdnaEx1dRATV_XnZ2dnUVZ_qqdnZ2d@westnet.com.au... > Sherrie Blackman wrote: >> Hi Phil, >> >> Check your 'history' from your web browser. >> >> You might find the link there. >> >> Kind regards, >> Sherrie. > > Thanks Sherrie > Unfortunately I do not keep my history nor cookies!! Thats is amazing .......... why ever not ?? Perhaps you should then you wouldn't have had this hassle And what about 'favourites' ? Dont you use that facility either?? Bye -- MargM Beautiful NSW Central Coast NSW

Hi Paul Found this; Messenger Boys were employed at the age of14. Those who had their IntermediateCertificate were qualified for futureadvancement. Those that did not have thisqualification were required to attend theCompany's night school to pass an internalexamination. Those not qualified by the age of16 had their services terminated. Messengerswere given uniforms twice annually. Onewinter uniform and one summer. Winteruniforms were long trousers and jackets, navyblue with red piping. Buttons were silver withsilver numbers on the collars and BeamWireless on a red patch for each upper sleeve.They were also issued with a peaked cap. Bike boys had gaiters in the early days, butlater these were changed to breeches and long ... see the rest on leggings. Summer uniforms were khaki shirts,khaki jackets, blue shorts, long blue socks andboots with a pith type helmet. Similar buttonsand numbers as winter uniform. Themessenger was required to wash his shirt andtrousers, but jackets were sent to a laundry bythe Company. Walking boys delivered to anarea bounded by the Quay, Elizabeth Street,Park Street and Sussex Street. Bike boyscovered an area bounded by Kings Cross,Surry Hills, Broadway and Pyrmont. To beselected as a bike boy was considered apromotions, as he not only received his salarybut was paid 7/6d per week for the hire of thebike. During the depression years this was afair sum as they could purchase a bike at 5/-per week on terms, and had the bike to ride towork and save fares. Also riding a bike was alot better than walking.Promotion from the Messenger service waseither to the operating room or to the generaloffice and accounts branch. If one went to theoperating room, he was expected to enrol atthe Company's Marconi School of Wirelessand obtain his Certificate of Proficiency for aFirst Class Marine Operator. This courseconsisted of radio and electrical theory, morsecode at 28 words per minute and typing.Morse code and typing skills he was expectedto obtain in the operating room by practiceduring any lull in traffic. The Marconi Schoolgave the student a concession on the fee cost.The course was initially by correspondencebut about half way through the correspondencesection, he was required to attend the schoolfor practical technical training. Being on shiftwork, one could not attend all technicallessons, found it hard to change shifts, andtherefore got behind in the course. When thishappened, and it was inevitable, one onlyreceived 2/6d of his next annual increment of7/6d. Result was that many were receivingsums of 2 pounds 50 shillings per weekinstead of 4 pounds 25 shillings per week.This was typical of the penny pinching attitudeof management.In later years, after OTC took over, theyabandoned the requirement for the RadioOfficers Certificate and opened their ownTelegraphist School.SATELLITE SNIPPETS(Dennis Grant)Saturation levels.Since Moree was the one and only Standard Aantenna built by Collins Radio, the gain atboth 4 Ghz and 6 Ghz had to be accuratelymeasured to pass qualification. To do this,Standard gain horns were fixed to the side ofthe main reflector and signal switched betweenthem for comparison. Naturally the TX powerhad to be dropped a lot when switched to themain antenna. After a whole night of testingand getting it right, the HPA engineer fromCollins miscued and switched some 3kw ofunmodulated carrier into the main antenna andin his words "Suddenly there was only onecarrier coming back from the satellite. (Intelsat2) Mine!" He was severely reprimanded forthis as he had saturated the satellite andsuppressed all the other carriers including thebeacons.Carnarvon's "Me too"Some years later Carnarvon had a problemwith their uplink power control. Not sure ofthe issue, but the effect was dramatic. Insteadof stabilizing the power level within very closelimits (+/- 0.1 dB) the Auto Power Controldrove the HPA to max power, which was animpressive 13 Kw. Although the satellite(Intelsat III) had many more transponders, thereceivers were wideband and so the saturatedreceiver took down a lot of other carriers. Intelsat through the Jamesburg Californiaearth station contacted us at Moree after aboutthe 10th such incident, as for some reason theycould not contact Carnarvon direct and forwhat I think was the only time it occurred they"Instructed" us to "Instruct" Carnarvon to shutdown their transmitters until they got theproblem resolved.*****************************VALEWILF O'DONNELL - (16 January 1925 to 12July 2006)On 16 January 1925, Wilfred FrancisO'Donnell was born into a world quitedifferent to our present times. His life andvalues were to be shaped by the majorhistorical events of the 20th century. He was -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Page 10 130one of 4 children. His father was a dairyfarmer on the north coast, who supplementedhis income by operating a small truckingbusiness. In the early 1930's the greatdepression struck. Although Wilf was aschoolboy, he helped his father as much as hecould, eventually leaving school to try andkeep the family business and farm operating. Unfortunately everything was lost, and thefamily sent Wilf to Sydney to try and give hima chance at a better life. Wartime Sydneymust have been a very confronting place for an17 year old boy from the country, however hequickly found a job as a messenger boy withAWA. His intention was to enlist when heturned 18.A few weeks after his 18th birthday, Wilfdiscovered that his application to join the AirForce had been rejected, as he was working ina protected industry (AWA at that time wasresponsibleforallinternationalcommunication). Much to the upset of hisfamily, he solved this problem by resigning hisjob and applying again. This time he wasaccepted. After basic training, he foundhimself, at the age of 19, stationed in Englandas part of an RAAF bomber crew, where lifeexpectancy was measured in months. His wardiaries contain an amazing account of his lifeat this time. He was in two plane crashes,bailed out once over England and flew manybombing missions. The diaries and letters tohis family also show a loving son, withcompassion for his fellow airmen who failedto return, and also compassion for innocentGerman civilians killed in bombing raids. After victory in Europe, he was to be sent tofight the Japanese in the Pacific, butfortunately the War ended and he was returnedhome.Wilf had developed an interest in radiocommunication and studied at the MarconiSchool of wireless, obtaining a radio operator'scertificate. He was able to persuade AWA totake him back and he worked there until itsfunctions were nationalised by the creation oftheOverseasTelecommunicationsCommission. Wilf married Isa on 15 October1949 and they had two children, Wendy andPaul. His experience of seeing his father loseeverything in the depression had a majorimpact on his approach to his family. He andIsa worked and saved hard, the mortgage waspaid off and the children wanted for nothing. His capacity for hard work was recognised andhe was steadily promoted, retiring as aSuperintendent on 14 July 1986.Wilf thereafter entered the third stage of hislife where he was able to enjoy the results ofhis success. A holiday home was built on theSouth Coast and Wilf pursued his interest infishing and bowls. He softened considerablyand had great pleasure with the arrival of eachgrandchild. Unfortunately Wilf's wardisabilities were beginning to catch up withhim. Over the last two years before his death,he suffered a diminishing loss of lungcapacity. Each breath was a struggle, howeverhe suffered without complaint and was nursedby Isa until his death on 12 July 2006. He willalways be remembered as a loving husband,father, grandfather and friend. Vale, Wilfred Francis O'Donnell, your workon this earth is complete, rest in peace.************************Robert James Larkins(6 March 1926 to 11 August 2006 in EastBentleigh, Vic.)Bob joined AWA in 1941 in the MessengerService then later worked in the TechnicalWorkshop under Bert Lake. He left and joinedthe RAAF during the war. After the end of thewar he joined the Victoria Police Force wherehe enjoyed a successful career until hisretirement. His funeral was on 18/8/2006.**************************THE LAST WORDI hope you enjoyed this issue which has ablend of technical, operating and commercialstories. I am hoping to get more of these forfuture issues. Even the admin and publicityguys must have stories, some of which couldnow be told. .I hope you have enjoyed Denis Grant's"Satellite Snippets" which have been dottedthrough many of our recent newsletters. Ihave nearly run out. Surely others havesimilar short stories to tell!Let's have them! http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:D5yia40ytyUJ:www.otva.com/newsltrarch/2006_October.pdf+messenger+boys+pmg+aged+sydney&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk Cheers Joanne leggings. Summer uniforms were khaki shirts,khaki jackets, blue shorts, long blue socks andboots with a pith type helmet. Similar buttonsand numbers as winter uniform. Themessenger was required to wash his shirt andtrousers, but jackets were sent to a laundry bythe Company. Walking boys delivered to anarea bounded by the Quay, Elizabeth Street,Park Street and Sussex Street. Bike boyscovered an area bounded by Kings Cross,Surry Hills, Broadway and Pyrmont. To beselected as a bike boy was considered apromotions, as he not only received his salarybut was paid 7/6d per week for the hire of thebike. During the depression years this was afair sum as they could purchase a bike at 5/-per week on terms, and had the bike to ride towork and save fares. Also riding a bike was alot better than walking.Promotion from the Messenger service waseither to the operating room or to the generaloffice and accounts branch. If one went to theoperating room, he was expected to enrol atthe Company's Marconi School of Wirelessand obtain his Certificate of Proficiency for aFirst Class Marine Operator. This courseconsisted of radio and electrical theory, morsecode at 28 words per minute and typing.Morse code and typing skills he was expectedto obtain in the operating room by practiceduring any lull in traffic. The Marconi Schoolgave the student a concession on the fee cost.The course was initially by correspondencebut about half way through the correspondencesection, he was required to attend the schoolfor practical technical training. Being on shiftwork, one could not attend all technicallessons, found it hard to change shifts, andtherefore got behind in the course. When thishappened, and it was inevitable, one onlyreceived 2/6d of his next annual increment of7/6d. Result was that many were receivingsums of 2 pounds 50 shillings per weekinstead of 4 pounds 25 shillings per week.This was typical of the penny pinching attitudeof management.In later years, after OTC took over, theyabandoned the requirement for the RadioOfficers Certificate and opened their ownTelegraphist School.SATELLITE SNIPPETS(Dennis Grant)Saturation levels.Since Moree was the one and only Standard Aantenna built by Collins Radio, the gain atboth 4 Ghz and 6 Ghz had to be accuratelymeasured to pass qualification. To do this,Standard gain horns were fixed to the side ofthe main reflector and signal switched betweenthem for comparison. Naturally the TX powerhad to be dropped a lot when switched to themain antenna. After a whole night of testingand getting it right, the HPA engineer fromCollins miscued and switched some 3kw ofunmodulated carrier into the main antenna andin his words "Suddenly there was only onecarrier coming back from the satellite. (Intelsat2) Mine!" He was severely reprimanded forthis as he had saturated the satellite andsuppressed all the other carriers including thebeacons.Carnarvon's "Me too"Some years later Carnarvon had a problemwith their uplink power control. Not sure ofthe issue, but the effect was dramatic. Insteadof stabilizing the power level within very closelimits (+/- 0.1 dB) the Auto Power Controldrove the HPA to max power, which was animpressive 13 Kw. Although the satellite(Intelsat III) had many more transponders, thereceivers were wideband and so the saturatedreceiver took down a lot of other carriers. Intelsat through the Jamesburg Californiaearth station contacted us at Moree after aboutthe 10th such incident, as for some reason theycould not contact Carnarvon direct and forwhat I think was the only time it occurred they"Instructed" us to "Instruct" Carnarvon to shutdown their transmitters until they got theproblem resolved.*****************************VALEWILF O'DONNELL - (16 January 1925 to 12July 2006)On 16 January 1925, Wilfred FrancisO'Donnell was born into a world quitedifferent to our present times. His life andvalues were to be shaped by the majorhistorical events of the 20th century. He was -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Page 10 130one of 4 children. His father was a dairyfarmer on the north coast, who supplementedhis income by operating a small truckingbusiness. In the early 1930's the greatdepression struck. Although Wilf was aschoolboy, he helped his father as much as hecould, eventually leaving school to try andkeep the family business and farm operating. Unfortunately everything was lost, and thefamily sent Wilf to Sydney to try and give hima chance at a better life. Wartime Sydneymust have been a very confronting place for an17 year old boy from the country, however hequickly found a job as a messenger boy withAWA. His intention was to enlist when heturned 18.A few weeks after his 18th birthday, Wilfdiscovered that his application to join the AirForce had been rejected, as he was working ina protected industry (AWA at that time wasresponsibleforallinternationalcommunication). Much to the upset of hisfamily, he solved this problem by resigning hisjob and applying again. This time he wasaccepted. After basic training, he foundhimself, at the age of 19, stationed in Englandas part of an RAAF bomber crew, where lifeexpectancy was measured in months. His wardiaries contain an amazing account of his lifeat this time. He was in two plane crashes,bailed out once over England and flew manybombing missions. The diaries and letters tohis family also show a loving son, withcompassion for his fellow airmen who failedto return, and also compassion for innocentGerman civilians killed in bombing raids. After victory in Europe, he was to be sent tofight the Japanese in the Pacific, butfortunately the War ended and he was returnedhome.Wilf had developed an interest in radiocommunication and studied at the MarconiSchool of wireless, obtaining a radio operator'scertificate. He was able to persuade AWA totake him back and he worked there until itsfunctions were nationalised by the creation oftheOverseasTelecommunicationsCommission. Wilf married Isa on 15 October1949 and they had two children, Wendy andPaul. His experience of seeing his father loseeverything in the depression had a majorimpact on his approach to his family. He andIsa worked and saved hard, the mortgage waspaid off and the children wanted for nothing. His capacity for hard work was recognised andhe was steadily promoted, retiring as aSuperintendent on 14 July 1986.Wilf thereafter entered the third stage of hislife where he was able to enjoy the results ofhis success. A holiday home was built on theSouth Coast and Wilf pursued his interest infishing and bowls. He softened considerablyand had great pleasure with the arrival of eachgrandchild. Unfortunately Wilf's wardisabilities were beginning to catch up withhim. Over the last two years before his death,he suffered a diminishing loss of lungcapacity. Each breath was a struggle, howeverhe suffered without complaint and was nursedby Isa until his death on 12 July 2006. He willalways be remembered as a loving husband,father, grandfather and friend. Vale, Wilfred Francis O'Donnell, your workon this earth is complete, rest in peace.************************Robert James Larkins(6 March 1926 to 11 August 2006 in EastBentleigh, Vic.)Bob joined AWA in 1941 in the MessengerService then later worked in the TechnicalWorkshop under Bert Lake. He left and joinedthe RAAF during the war. After the end of thewar he joined the Victoria Police Force wherehe enjoyed a successful career until hisretirement. His funeral was on 18/8/2006.**************************THE LAST WORDI hope you enjoyed this issue which has ablend of technical, operating and commercialstories. I am hoping to get more of these forfuture issues. Even the admin and publicityguys must have stories, some of which couldnow be told. .I hope you have enjoyed Denis Grant's"Satellite Snippets" which have been dottedthrough many of our recent newsletters. Ihave nearly run out. Surely others havesimilar short stories to tell!Let's have them! "Paul Blair" <pblair@pcug.org.au> wrote in message news:1254287395.355361@chilli.pcug.org.au... > I'm trying to unpick someone's age. > > I know he started work with the PMG (as it was) at the 'earliest age for > a telegram boy' > > 13? 14? 15? 16? > > This would have been around the end of WWI, to put it into a time context. >

"Ray Green" <rayg.personal@gmail.com> wrote in message news:6xBwm.44112$ze1.42903@news-server.bigpond.net.au... > Greetings one and all > > For starters I have Googled and Binged for an answer but nothing > pops up. > > I have found an entry in the Ryerson Index that is the person that I > want, but where do I go from here? I have been to the Sydney > Morning Herald site and tried to search under the given date, but to > no avail. > How do I get a copy of a Death Notice for 28 September 1970 from the > SMH? > Hi Ray Easy peasy .............. Just read the info on the head page http://www.ryersonindex.org/ 2nd icon down , left hand side is "requesting a look up" You will need date of death and publication Amazing how many times this has been asked and answered . You would have done better to have done an archive search in the DPS or Sydney or NSW mailing list or this news group Bye -- MargM Ryerson Volunteer SMH 1976 & Central Coast Express

Hi Ray Apart from visiting a library that holds the film and requesting a lookup through Ryerson Index you can pay for a 24 hour access to the Sydney Morning Herald. Without paying your search will probably not be successful. Last year I subbed for a year and saved a packet in both time and money with the detail I found. http://archives.smh.com.au/ regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html -----Original Message----- From: genanz-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:genanz-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Ray Green Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 2:56 PM To: genanz@rootsweb.com Subject: Ryerson Index Greetings one and all For starters I have Googled and Binged for an answer but nothing pops up. I have found an entry in the Ryerson Index that is the person that I want, but where do I go from here? I have been to the Sydney Morning Herald site and tried to search under the given date, but to no avail. How do I get a copy of a Death Notice for 28 September 1970 from the SMH? Thank you in advance Ray Green

"One Eyed Phil" <philand@iinet.net.au> wrote in message > On sunday I accessed a site that had digitised copies of 19th century > Australian newspapers. I was reading copies of the "Observer" from SA. > > I was 99% certain I accessed them through the National Library of > Australia. Now I cannot find the site again.(Not the NLA site - the one > that had the papers) I've gone through all the listings in the NLA site > and cannot find it. I access 19th century papers through the NLA but the ones I most commonly access need me to use my NLA Readers Card and seem to all be British. Not sure if it will be of any help to you but this is what I do: I go to: http://www.nla.gov.au/ I then select eResources on right hand side in the box. Once the eResouces page comes up I then either select "Freely Available resources" or, more usually, "Licenced resources" (the Licenced resources is the one that requires a Readers Card - this gives access to the Gale Group papers - 19th C British newspapers and The Times). I did a quick hunt there and couldn't see the 2 papers you mentioned. If you do find the site you used could you report back to the group please as I'd be interested too.

I'm trying to unpick someone's age. I know he started work with the PMG (as it was) at the 'earliest age for a telegram boy' 13? 14? 15? 16? This would have been around the end of WWI, to put it into a time context. TIA Paul

"Lance" <buckles8@bigpond.com> wrote in message news:mailman.5.1254251722.10152.genanz@rootsweb.com... > Have a look at the following website it gives you samples of "Ticket of > Leave,Pardons, Certificates of Freedom & Convict bank accounts > > Regards, > Lance What website Lance? > > buckles8@bigpond.com > > Messages scanned by Norton's Anti Virus 2009 > -------Original Message------- > > From: FarmI > Date: 9/29/2009 5:45:24 PM > To: genanz@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Convict pardons/Tickets to leave > > "johnb" <deo-c989@myamail.com> wrote in message > news:h9pt7k$m70$1@aioe.org... >> Could someone tell me what these contain please? I know nothing of >> Australian genealogy or where to start tracing someone who has completed >> their sentence. >> >> I thought the whole of my family was in the UK but have just found my >> ggg-grandfather John Dorset/Dorsett(Dossett) b c1805 Middlesex (marr >> Jemima Peplow 1831) who was sentenced to transportation at the Old Bailey >> on 11 April 1840 and sent to Van Diemans Land on the Susan on 21 April >> 1842 which arrived 21 July 1842. >> >> According to Ancestry there is a record for him in New South Wales and >> Tasmania, Australia, Convict Pardons and Tickets of Leave, 1834-1859 but >> I > >> cannot see it as I don't have a Worldwide subscription so don't know >> whether it would add any useful information. > > I've recently had to embark on some convict research and find myself > getting > > Nowhere fast given that the convict I'm hunting for was convicted in India > And the records for that are apparently at the BL. Lucky you to at least > Already know the trial details :-)) > > If you go to the Society of Australian Genealogists (SAG) and select under > 'Most Popular Pages" the section called "Our Research Guides" then > "Convicts > > To NSW" you will see a section in there on "Ticket of Leave" which will > tell > > You some of the things you 'might' find on a TOL (if you're lucky). > > The Convict Indents might give you some good info in regards to what your > Anscestore looked like (height, hair colour, scars, etc) > > Do you know if he stayed in Oz or if he returned to the UK? > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENANZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > >

MargM wrote: > "One Eyed Phil" <philand@iinet.net.au> wrote in message > news:XOSdnaEx1dRATV_XnZ2dnUVZ_qqdnZ2d@westnet.com.au... >> Sherrie Blackman wrote: >>> Hi Phil, >>> >>> Check your 'history' from your web browser. >>> >>> You might find the link there. >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> Sherrie. >> Thanks Sherrie >> Unfortunately I do not keep my history nor cookies!! > > Thats is amazing .......... why ever not ?? > Perhaps you should then you wouldn't have had this hassle > And what about 'favourites' ? Dont you use that facility either?? > > > Bye > > Evening MargM and Others Sadly a habit from yesteryear when I had no AV and space very limited on my HD. I'm paying for it now!! Do use Favourites though- full of genealogy sites - except the one I want!!! Thanks Gloria No, that's not the site but one to keep anyway. Fam1 I have a card and was using it to access eresources. That's why I was positive I accessed them through ANL. I've looked at 774 items on the ANL site and cannot find the one I was looking at. When I do I'll post it!1 By Gum I will!! Regards Phil

Would this be the site? http://www.nla.gov.au/ferg/issn/14606046.html Gloria

Hello Di, Thank you for taking the time to check for me. I do appreciate the input. All leads are welcome! Regards, Mary Ann "DiMa" <sascar#@alphalink.com.au> wrote in message news:4ac2b81f$1@news.comindico.com.au... > Hi Natalie, > > Up to 1985, there is no Albert William Hunt on the Death CD for Victoria. > > Have you looked at these two: > Digger - Marriage Index. Victoria 1921-1942 > Family Name: HUNT > Given Name: Alf Wm > Spouse Family Name: BRUCE > Spouse Given Name: Ivy Louisa > Registration Year: 1927 > Registration Number: 6448 > Re-registration Year: > Event Year: > Registration Type: > Event: M > > Family Name: HUNT > Given Name: Alfd Wm > Spouse Family Name: BERRY > Spouse Given Name: Ruby Irene > Registration Year: 1928 > Registration Number: 7211 > Re-registration Year: > Event Year: > Registration Type: > Event: M > > From here you would have to search the online index for BDMs at the website > http://online.justice.vic.gov.au/ots/home > that Janen gave you. > > Good luck and I hope one of these is yours. > > Cheers, > > -- > Di

Hi Phil, Check your 'history' from your web browser. You might find the link there. Kind regards, Sherrie. -- http://www.silkweb.com.au/ On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 13:00:53 +1000, One Eyed Phil <philand@iinet.net.au> wrote: > Please can anyone stop me going insane?!!! > > On sunday I accessed a site that had digitised copies of 19th century > Australian newspapers. I was reading copies of the "Observer" from SA. > > I was 99% certain I accessed them through the National Library of > Australia. Now I cannot find the site again.(Not the NLA site - the one > that had the papers) I've gone through all the listings in the NLA site > and cannot find it. > > It had all Australian papers from the 19c (I think) > Can anyone popint me in the right direction? > I kmow I wasn't dreaming! I've tried googling with every combination I > know - to no avail > > Thanks in advance > Phil > ------------------------------- >

Sherrie Blackman wrote: > Hi Phil, > > Check your 'history' from your web browser. > > You might find the link there. > > Kind regards, > Sherrie. Thanks Sherrie Unfortunately I do not keep my history nor cookies!! Thanks Stuart also but that is not the link - it does not include the Register and the Observer Maybe I was dreaming!! Phil

Hello Phil, Here is the link that you are seeking: http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home Cheers, -- Stuart Perth West Oz To reply delete "nospampls." and ".invalid" from address Researching - Gregory and Hudson http://stuart.scss.dyndns.info/FamilyTree/ On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 11:00:53 +0800, One Eyed Phil <philand@iinet.net.au> wrote: > Please can anyone stop me going insane?!!! > > On sunday I accessed a site that had digitised copies of 19th century > Australian newspapers. I was reading copies of the "Observer" from SA. > > I was 99% certain I accessed them through the National Library of > Australia. Now I cannot find the site again.(Not the NLA site - the one > that had the papers) I've gone through all the listings in the NLA site > and cannot find it. > > It had all Australian papers from the 19c (I think) > Can anyone popint me in the right direction? > I kmow I wasn't dreaming! I've tried googling with every combination I > know - to no avail > > Thanks in advance > Phil